Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

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Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Les Lawrence » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:34 pm

All 3 done at this level
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by NewClaret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:37 pm

Agree

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Vino blanco » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:38 pm

Thank God we’ve got Lennon, Stephens, Long etc to replace them.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by NewClaret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:38 pm

Sorry, will add Wood on current form and complete lack of interest. For me, Wood needs dropping and and Barnes shouldn’t even make the bench on today’s showing.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Goody1975 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:40 pm

Thing is we've kind of known this for a year or so now but because the previous board stopped engaging in the transfer market we are now about two years behind with recruitment.

The stuff that needs fixing can't be done in one go, it may be the thing that ultimately costs us this season.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by warksclaret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:41 pm

Absolutely agree-add JBG and Lennon. No time for sentiment.For Saturday Collins, Cornet to start and Roberts get some game time.These three are the future

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Elizabeth » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:43 pm

They might be finished at the top level that’s plain to see but not let’s pretend that others getting selected are up to PL level
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by buzzclarets79 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:43 pm

If we do drop this season where does that leave us as a club? Everything is apparently based upon us being a prem side.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Spiral » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:52 pm

It says a lot that Wood is probably our best forward out of the four we have, because at the moment his only contribution is being a target to bring Cornet into the game in the hope he can pull off some magic. This game plan seems to be just about all we've got to offer offensively. There's talk about needing two midfielders but I honestly think we need two strikers, not one — two strikers more urgently. We're capable of forcing teams to defend for sustained periods and we don't concede a silly number of chances, and that all points towards a midfield and backline that we can work with, but it's obvious we've absolutely zero quality up front and this is what's going to cost us, not the midfield.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by KRBFC » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:52 pm

JBG legs have gone, I could've told you these players weren't good enough 18 months ago.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:53 pm

I said it on another thread the only players in our entire squad that are good enough at this level are:

Pope
Tarks
Collins
Cornet
McNeil
Wood

The rest are championship level or lower

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:55 pm

JBG offers absolutely zero attacking threat these days. It's looking grim at the moment, even McNeil seems to have lost the ability to beat a man.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Elizabeth » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:02 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:53 pm
I said it on another thread the only players in our entire squad that are good enough at this level are:

Pope
Tarks
Collins
Cornet
McNeil
Wood

The rest are championship level or lower

I think there’s one or two more that could be added to that list and think because we have quite a few average players including 2 of the midfield ( Cork and Brownhill ) it’s time to change from the tried and trusted 442.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:02 pm

They are good squad players, but none of them should be starting.
I still think it's possible to pick a good team from our squad, I won't repeat it, it only upsets some folk, we can't carry on.

Who was it that said madness is trying to do the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:03 pm

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by BOYSIE31 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:03 pm

Les Lawrence wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:34 pm
All 3 done at this level
Yep

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:03 pm

cant make strikers scapegoats, goalscorers always carry the can when teams are faring badly.
Its a collective effort, and for what its worth I don't think any of those players are finished .

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Row Z » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:06 pm

Spiral wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:52 pm
It says a lot that Wood is probably our best forward out of the four we have, because at the moment his only contribution is being a target to bring Cornet into the game in the hope he can pull off some magic. This game plan seems to be just about all we've got to offer offensively. There's talk about needing two midfielders but I honestly think we need two strikers, not one — two strikers more urgently. We're capable of forcing teams to defend for sustained periods and we don't concede a silly number of chances, and that all points towards a midfield and backline that we can work with, but it's obvious we've absolutely zero quality up front and this is what's going to cost us, not the midfield.
Disagree. Strikers rarely create chances for themselves, they need service, hence why Harry Kane's goals have largely dried up for Spurs. Our midfield and fullbacks are low on any creativity, with far too many crosses going astray and little to nothing created from through balls on the floor.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:07 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:53 pm
I said it on another thread the only players in our entire squad that are good enough at this level are:

Pope
Tarks
Collins
Cornet
McNeil
Wood

The rest are championship level or lower
You could say the same regarding some other lower PL sides we just seem to have more than the rest & the ones that are PL standard just aren’t quite as good as some of the other PL lower sides, once upon a time it’s something we could get away with as there was younger it’s got to the point now though where it can’t, just too old now & it’s showing it can’t be hidden anymore.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by warksclaret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:08 pm

Very fortunate to still be drawing a wage from a side that continues to include them in the first 11 playing in the PL. None of the three plus JBG and Lennon would get close to the Norwich first 11, and certainly not in the Newcastle, Southampton Watford starting 11.That goes a long way to explaining our results in the last 20 odd games

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:09 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:07 pm
You could say the same regarding some other lower PL sides we just seem to have more than the rest & the ones that are PL standard just aren’t quite as good as some of the other PL lower sides, once upon a time it’s something we could get away with as there was younger it’s got to the point now though where it can’t, just too old now & it’s showing it can’t be hidden anymore.
Yes I agree, we used to be able to get away with it due to there physical attributes, unfortunately they are rapidly declining. Half of our strongest eleven look at least a yard of the pace this season

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Spiral » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:18 pm

Row Z wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:06 pm
Disagree. Strikers rarely create chances for themselves, they need service, hence why Harry Kane's goals have largely dried up for Spurs. Our midfield and fullbacks are low on any creativity, with far too many crosses going astray and little to nothing created from through balls on the floor.
The quality of the service is a valid point but the movement up front is an absolute joke. Vydra is the most energetic of the lot but a one-man press is a waste of time. Whether in possession or out of possession our forwards are just so predictable. I wouldn't personally say the service is so much tragically worse than in previous seasons where we've survived and always looked capable of giving teams a game, but for me it's the forward line which isn't delivering. We can't even make shithouse football work any more.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by claretgimmer » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:21 pm

If this squad was a stick of rock, it would have Relegation written right through it, and sadly I don`t think we would have enough to bounce straight back, to many has been`s, and seemingly from those who watch the U23`s we don`t have alot coming through that are good enough yet for 1st team action. Dyche comes across as a drowning man as his tatics are baffling,

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Darnhill Claret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:35 pm

Well I must have gone to another game tonight to the rest of you. I thought it was a big improvement from the weekend possibly our best performance since before the Norwich game. Thought the back 5 were very good, Cork and Brownhill seemed to have their legs back and very impressed with Roberts and Collins, again. All the substitutions made an improvement and just a shame that Spurs defended as well as they did. We limited them to a chance that they took and two excellent Pope saves but it was still an improvement on recent performances.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Darnhill Claret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:36 pm

Just had a few quid with 365 for Burnley @ 28/1 to finish in the top half this season.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:38 pm

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:36 pm
Just had a few quid with 365 for Burnley @ 28/1 to finish in the top half this season.
What are you going to spend the £0.00p on?

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Claretforever » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:42 pm

It’s no good blaming the players who aren’t up to it anymore. The blame lays firmly at Garlick’s door. He and the rest of the board were dormant in the transfer market for at least two years really, possibly more in terms of what they should have done. It’s going to take another year, maybe even 18 months to recover from what they did to this club!

It can’t be solved overnight, and we know there are possibly 7-8 players that need moving on sharpish, but let’s hope Dyche manages to keep us up somehow so that we can spend properly next summer.

Others may have a different opinion, but I’m furious with Garlick (mainly), and the old board for what they’ve done.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Belial » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:48 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:38 pm
What are you going to spend the £0.00p on?
More wacky backy probably
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by claretgimmer » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:50 pm

Dyche may not have had much money but bringing in ageing has beens like Lennon, Stephens when maybe there could have been players with potential at a lower level that could possibly have been purchased for a similar amount and would have been hungrier to play at this level rather than just collect a wage with minimum contribution.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Darnhill Claret » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:54 pm

Not sure yet. Either the Caribbean or the Norwegian Fjords.Will let you know when I book Rileybobs. I dont bother with the baccy Belial.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Blyclaret » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:02 am

Dyche has it sorted. He says we need a rub of green.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:05 am

Good to see we are all getting behind the lads.
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:17 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:05 am
Good to see we are all getting behind the lads.
don't confuse the reality of the situation with people not getting behind the lads. I'd be amazed if come Saturday those that go to the game only applaud and support the lads not mentioned in this thread. It's a football discussion board, perhaps it would be good for you to point out to those above the reasons why you feel they are incorrect, maybe they are missing something ? (that's not a dig at you by the way, just pointing out that debate is good and better than aimless criticism from both sides)

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:28 am

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:35 pm
Well I must have gone to another game tonight to the rest of you. I thought it was a big improvement from the weekend possibly our best performance since before the Norwich game. Thought the back 5 were very good, Cork and Brownhill seemed to have their legs back and very impressed with Roberts and Collins, again. All the substitutions made an improvement and just a shame that Spurs defended as well as they did. We limited them to a chance that they took and two excellent Pope saves but it was still an improvement on recent performances.
Don't think we created a single chance apart from a few scrambles from long throws towards the end. If that was a good performance god help us.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Swizzlestick » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:09 am

claretgimmer wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:50 pm
Dyche may not have had much money but bringing in ageing has beens like Lennon, Stephens when maybe there could have been players with potential at a lower level that could possibly have been purchased for a similar amount and would have been hungrier to play at this level rather than just collect a wage with minimum contribution.
The Stephens signing I kind of understood as he could (should) have provided decent competition in CM and some bite. He’s looked way off though. The Lennon signing was either desperate, lazy or a combination of the two. Such a waste of a salary that, as you say, could have been used towards a more youthful, hungrier player.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:30 am

Elizabeth wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:02 pm
I think there’s one or two more that could be added to that list and think because we have quite a few average players including 2 of the midfield ( Cork and Brownhill ) it’s time to change from the tried and trusted 442.
Dyche is not capable of change

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by snapcrackleandpop » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:32 am

Darnhill Claret wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:36 pm
Just had a few quid with 365 for Burnley @ 28/1 to finish in the top half this season.
Stay away from the sniffer dogs on Saturday DC :lol:

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Sheedyclaret » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 am

years of poor tranfers windows is finally catching us up left with deadwood in our squad now..
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:40 am

Not normally one to get carried away, but some of the performances last night were borderline "going through the motions"

Clearly lack of confidence plays a part, but it did look rather worryingly like far too many players are not willing to take the risks that we need them to actually win a game

And all of the front four were absolutely woeful btw - if you had to pick two for Saturday based on that, you'd be really struggling

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by MACCA » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 am

Who would have envisaged buying/signing ageing pros as stop gaps in several failed transfer windows would come back to bite you in the backside ?

Some called this happening years ago whilst we stock pilled cash and "narrowly missed out" on targets.

I think a few more woke up a little later in the decade, and finally the majority of the rest are just shaking the sand out of their ears and hair.

I was praying the Americans got here just in time, sadly I don't think they did, as even with a couple of first team players in January it looks to be all to late.
( that's if we could even convince players to join a sinking ship then )
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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by superdimitri » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:47 am

Don't forget that going out of the cup can only be a good thing for our season. One less competition to think about, concentrate completely on league.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:48 am

All 4 strikers need replacing. At best wood is a bench player. But as macca says, we called this years ago. The slow motion car has well and truly crashed.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:04 am

Jack Cork is going through a bad patch it seems the more he tries the worse he plays
Allegedly, he wants a new deal but will have to alter his game dramatically to get on.
Jay has suddenly not become a bad player he will get back to his best.Cutting that ridiculous thing off his head may help
Barnsy is a grafter but without service even Ronaldo looks shite look at last week v Liverpool.
Tactics are hamstring us at present and Sean needs to get these sorted
All three new signing need to be on .This rubbish about ones for the future wants binning. But suggesting the above three are done is a gross overreaction.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by bfcjg » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:25 am

Don't forget Dyche spunked away some serious wages on the likes of Crouch, Drinkwater and Gibson, he has brought loan players in such as Bamford and not utilised their potential, he isn't squeaky clean regarding the mess we are in.
He is on serious money he needs to have a long hard look at himself and justify the boards and fans faith in him.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:29 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:02 pm
Who was it that said madness is trying to do the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result.
That's not madness CC. That's life.
If you do the same thing over and over, you'll get different results almost every time. It's the variation in the results that's key. Dyche always talks about fine margins. But I agree, we have been on the wrong side of the line for some time now, and something needs to change.
I haven't seen anything from Barnes or JRod for some time now to justify their inclusion. I see snippets from Cork and Lennon still. And I can't believe Wood is completely past it yet. I also still see quality from JBG. He doesn't beat men, but he gets the ball down and allows the team to get up the pitch without losing it, and defensively his positioning is excellent for a winger.
All that being said.... Cornet is our best player by such a margin, its almost embarrassing

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by joey13 » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:35 am

And have been for some considerable time

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:36 am

The way Cornet was fizzing passes round yesterday made some of our players look even worse, with their sloooow bowling green speed passing onward.

Jay and Barnes haven’t done anything to suggest they’re up to it since the start of 20/21 and Cork seems to have been on a steady decline which has been aided by his injury.

I’ll add Lennon to this list too, then again we knew he was finished at this level when no one one else was competing with us for signing him from the Turkish Pub team.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by JohnMcGreal » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:47 am

Darthlaw wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:36 am
The way Cornet was fizzing passes round yesterday made some of our players look even worse, with their sloooow bowling green speed passing onward.
Maxwel Cornet looks like someone who's gone to help out an over-60s walking football team.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:10 am

Sadly we simply have too many players who have hit a wall in terms of their athleticism and sharpness. As has already been mentioned many times over, we have tipped over to an ageing team from an experienced team.

The reason for that is of course well documented. The transfer windows we’ve had over the last 2-3 years have left us completely knackered. The stop gap signings have only contributed to the process, rather then arrested it.

I’ve no idea how but we desperately need a win against Brentford if only for the confidence of this team who are quite clearly shot. I really fear we’re in for the ugliest of seasons if we don’t manage it judging by last night’s showing.

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Re: Cork,Barnes, Rodriguez,finished at top level

Post by warksclaret » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:33 am

I actually feel SD is part of the blame. Not only is he playing forwards regularly who are well past their best, and simply make up the numbers, but he should have been demanding to current and past owners that we needed new forwards. He works with these guys every day-we see them for a max of 90 minutes a week and know we have a major weakness. WE keep giving the forwards the benefit of the doubt and blaming the service they receive, but having seen Cornet play you realise he makes things happen with his movement and anticipation. We have become the Dads Army of the PL

For Saturday I would accommodate Collins, Roberts, Vydra, Cornet, McNeil all to start and feature, with Rodriguez and Barnes taken out .At least Vydra has movement in him as he showed when starting v Norwich. Wood needs to be rested on the bench as a wake up call

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