Your starting eleven for Brentford

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:36 am

Pope
Lowton
Tarks
Mee
Taylor
JBG
Brownhill
Westwood
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

Once fully fit i'd swap JBG for Vydra.
Collins hasn't done anything to be dropped, just prefer the experience.

Massive must win game today, come on lads!

Untinted Glasses · Post by **Untinted Glasses** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:47 am

Raya

Jorgensen Jansson Pinnock Canos

Jensen Norgaard Onyeka Henry

Mbeumo, Toney

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:13 am

BleedingClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:49 am
Pope’s kicking is a liability and he’s not bossing the back four in Tom Heaton mode, he’s too timid, due to a loss of confidence. Plain to see.

The back four need to be picked to defend
Lowton and Taylor can’t defend well enough at this level and we need to just have a proper 4 man defence to defend.
Roberts is barrel chested strong fast and determined
Pieters is a better defender than Taylor
We need Ben as Captain and he’s a settled pairing with Tarks
Westwood Cork and Brownhill completely failed at Southampton
Wood up top
Cornet and Vydra buzzing around and running beyond him will push a defence back thus keeping Wood onside and giving him space to get shots off
Collins can win flick ons from Hennesseys proper long kicks to feed the front 3
McNeil and JBG should receive and deliver straight to Wood aerially with Vydra and Cornet beyond on either side
We have completely lost midfield in every game, and we haven’t the players to win it.
So in my opinion we offer the simple threats of pace energy size in all the midfield and forward positions,
Whilst the back 4 try to get to the half way.
So far
Pope has been a bag of nerves with laughable kicking, made some good saves but let in weak goals including from crosses where little men have scored headers, Mee will lessen this threat but so would a dominant goalie
We’ve completely lost midfield in every single game, how can we do worse, the 3 of them were less than one combative midfielder against Southampton
Our defence retreats to the edge of our box because of the midfield being so weak and because we’ve offered nothing, Cornet aside, up front and the ball doesn’t stick
Collins is bigger faster stronger and better in the air and better on the ball and as a tackler than any of Brownhill, Westwood or Cork
A simple tactic of a long kick up the middle a head on from Collins to the front 3, however simplistic is more of a tactic than we’ve had.
Jay Rod, Brownhill Westwood, Lowton and Taylor have role to play in this
Pope needs to fight back
Lennon isn’t good enough
Sadly Cork and Barnes are done at this level
We will sleep walk to relegation with a 442
An out of form unconfident keeper
Full backs that attack but can’t defend
A 4 man midfield with 3 central midfielders
A big man up front without enough around him
Wasting a shirt with subs like Lennon and Barnes

If your answer to us being overrun in centre mid is to drop all our centre mids and play a centre half then to expect anything else than a battering. Yes, something has to change but going full on FIFA square pegs round holes isn’t it.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:23 am

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:13 am
If your answer to us being overrun in centre mid is to drop all our centre mids and play a centre half then to expect anything else than a battering. Yes, something has to change but going full on FIFA square pegs round holes isn’t it.

Do we have any premier league standard centre midfielders to play

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:23 am

BleedingClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:23 am
Do we have any premier league standard centre midfielders to play

That’s not the same as playing a centre half in there though.

JonBerro · Post by **JonBerro** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:33 am

Dyche isn’t going to go for 5 at the back, and even though Wood is in poor form, a goal can get him back into form very quickly:

Pope
Lowton Collins Mee Taylor
Gudmundsson Westwood Brownhill Cornet
Dwight
Wood

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:53 am

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:23 am
That’s not the same as playing a centre half in there though.

It is if he has some attributes that can at times negate the quality of others, like for example being a big f@@ker that can win flick ons and if otherwise he’s maybe going to be on the bench, whilst I’m watching our 2 or 3 central midfielders being virtually non existent

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:55 am

Pope
Lowton
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Gudmondson
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:56 am

I’m expecting
Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor
JBG Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood Cornet

Possibly Roberts for lowton

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:56 am

Local cricketer wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:55 am
Pope
Lowton
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Gudmondson
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

Honestly I hadn’t spotted your post

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:58 am

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:23 am
That’s not the same as playing a centre half in there though.

The Coyle tactic of playing Bikey in midfield - didn't work then and wouldn't work now.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:58 am
The Coyle tactic of playing Bikey in midfield - didn't work then and wouldn't work now.

Nothing working at present, or looking likely to, to be fair

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:06 pm

Local cricketer wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:55 am
Pope
Lowton
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Gudmondson
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

Certainly an interesting team. I wonder if that is McNeil playing with wood or Cornet

Local cricketer · Post by **Local cricketer** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:09 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:06 pm
Certainly an interesting team. I wonder if that is McNeil playing with wood or Cornet

No idea I’m not Sean Dyche

Longsidelenny1882 · Post by **Longsidelenny1882** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:10 pm

Norris long mee tarks Collins Lowton peiters cork Lennon Westwood barnes

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:11 pm

Collins will count himself unlucky to be dropped and if Mee was anyone else and not the club captain I'm sure he wouldn't walk straight back in. I'm not certain he should, but knowing SDI think he will. Also Roberts should replace Lowton, if only to try someone else putting crosses over from that side of the pitch. Lowton's crossing is so often wasteful of really good positions and on that basis alone I'd give Roberts a do. (But SD won't!)

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:13 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:06 pm
Certainly an interesting team. I wonder if that is McNeil playing with wood or Cornet

Cornet, I would have thought.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:14 pm

Local cricketer wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:55 am
Pope
Lowton
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Gudmondson
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

I think its a cowardly selection, lacking ambition, and absolutely designed to nullify Brentford rather than anything else. Unless we slightly deviate from a basic 442 that is... then it gets interesting

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:20 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:14 pm
I think its a cowardly selection, lacking ambition, and absolutely designed to nullify Brentford rather than anything else. Unless we slightly deviate from a basic 442 that is... then it gets interesting

I disagree I think that is probably as close to our best eleven as possible.
It also has people playing in there best positions

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:22 pm

BleedingClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:53 am
It is if he has some attributes that can at times negate the quality of others, like for example being a big f@@ker that can win flick ons and if otherwise he’s maybe going to be on the bench, whilst I’m watching our 2 or 3 central midfielders being virtually non existent

Not arguing that our current centre mids have been frustrating but I’m saying sticking in a rookie centre half flanked by two wide players as our midfield ends with us getting our arses handing to us on a plate by anyone in this division.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:28 pm

Pope
Collins Tarkowski Mee Taylor
Brownhill Gudmundson Westwood McNeil
Barnes Cornet

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:29 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:20 pm
I disagree I think that is probably as close to our best eleven as possible.
It also has people playing in there best positions

On Wood's current form I have to disagree

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:34 pm

BleedingClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:02 pm
Nothing working at present, or looking likely to, to be fair

And yet, had Leeds not scored that freak goal against us we wouldn't be in the bottom three. I think we are playing far, far better than we were at this stage last season and I certainly wouldn't be hopeful with the daft idea of playing a centre half in midfield.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:34 pm
And yet, had Leeds not scored that freak goal against us we wouldn't be in the bottom three. I think we are playing far, far better than we were at this stage last season and I certainly wouldn't be hopeful with the daft idea of playing a centre half in midfield.

Agreed that performances are better than the points show
Although if you follow the thinking that good teams win whilst playing badly
If we’re losing whilst playing quite well it’s worrying
If we were playing badly you could look to performance improvement but at present we don’t create or finish enough chances and concede weak goals all whilst playing generally quite well.
We start with the same formation every game with basically the same personnel, we don’t make changes at half time and we sub like for like mostly too late in the game.
Teams have playing against us sussed
We need to be less predictable and present the opposition with different problems to solve

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:56 pm

Can't play Cork in a 2 today for me

He looked very tired Wednesday and got caught several times dallying on the ball.
3 games in 7 days will be too much for him IMO against a very active and football playing Brentford side he will be chasing shadows and be pressured constantly

We all know Mee will walk straight back in, so I'd go

Pope
Lowton Tarky Mee Taylor
Cornet Westwood Brownhill McNeil
Vydra Wood

IF he doesn't trust Cornet out wide and/or wants him up top, it'd have to be JBG out wide with Wood and Cornet up top.

Really hope we ry and play some football today and not just launch it for 94 minutes as per Norwich and Arsenal.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:08 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:58 am
The Coyle tactic of playing Bikey in midfield - didn't work then and wouldn't work now.

Comparing Collins to Bikey is a bit rich, completely different players. Bikey was always a loose cannon, who had the annoying habit of letting the ball bounce instead of dealing with it immediately.
I don't think anyone is imagining swapping Collins for Cork or Westwood, but changing the formation to play Collins in front of the back 4 would make us a lot more solid. It would allow the fullbacks to join the attack, without leaving a gaping hole behind them. The better the defence the more freedom for the forwards to concentrate on creating.
We've got back into the habit of early last season where we seem to be frightened to attack, especially in numbers. If it wasn't for Cornet we would have nothing.
I'm not trying to knock them, but it is impossible to improve our midfield, they are what they are. The only way we can improve the team is by a change of formation to compensate for our weaknesses.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:19 pm

I really do hope if jbg is starting he puts in a swashbuckling performance and not the usual safety first approach

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:37 pm

Safron wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:19 pm
I really do hope if jbg is starting he puts in a swashbuckling performance and not the usual safety first approach

I think that there is the problem, it's not just JBG, it's McNeil, Westwood, Brownhill, Cork, Wood, Lowton etc.

There are no players who commit a player, break the lines, our CM midfielder makes a run beyond the opposition defender, McNeil checks back numerous times or runs into traffic.

The times we find ourselves having taken out a player or 2, we check back and play centrally, or turn backwards and pass back.

V Spurs the ball came out 30 yards ish a couple of times, they were camped in and disorganised, rather than getting out wide quick to get it back in, we opted for a 30 yard shot into row Z and the other ended up with Pope 10 seconds after we had a corner and collected the loose ball after the cleared.

We are way too negative for long periods, and thst is evident in our general home form

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:00 pm

Untinted Glasses wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:47 am
Raya

Jorgensen Jansson Pinnock Canos

Jensen Norgaard Onyeka Henry

Mbeumo, Toney

Very good, however you do know Raya is injured don't you.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:02 pm

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Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:03 pm

Looks like 4-3-3 then.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:04 pm

Roberts not even on bench.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:05 pm

How the hell does Bardsley get in the squad but Roberts doesn't?

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:05 pm

As expected Collins dropped - disgraceful decision

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:07 pm

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:03 pm
Looks like 4-3-3 then.

They have announced it as cornet with wood.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:08 pm

One good thing having Mee back is that at least Tarky can now play on his favoured side...He'll score today..

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:08 pm

If we want to win at home we have to go to Collins Tarks Mee in a back 3 with 5 in midfield

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:08 pm

Looks like 4-4-2 to me

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:09 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:08 pm
If we want to win at home we have to go to Collins Tarks Mee in a back 3 with 5 in midfield

Nonsense

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:10 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:05 pm
As expected Collins dropped - disgraceful decision

Yes he's unlucky to lose his place, and Wood is fortunate to retain his.

Cornet & Dwight will hopefully provide decent service to Wood, but if he gets the chances he has to take them.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:16 pm

Local cricketer wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:55 am
Pope
Lowton
Tarkowski
Mee
Taylor
Gudmondson
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil
Cornet
Wood

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:26 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:09 pm
Nonsense

Collins earned his place but not ahead of Mee. Lowton and Taylor can play wide midfield either side of Brownhil l Westwood and McNeil. With Cornet and Wood or Vydra up front

With 4-4-2 we are just not putting teams under pressure especially at home where teams are more defensive minded

I think 3-5-2 would make us more solid at the back And more competitive in midfield

4-4-2 has had its day

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:29 pm

Only cork on bench as a midfield replacement, why doesn't the young lad get a chance mancini

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:32 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:08 pm
Comparing Collins to Bikey is a bit rich, completely different players. Bikey was always a loose cannon, who had the annoying habit of letting the ball bounce instead of dealing with it immediately.
I don't think anyone is imagining swapping Collins for Cork or Westwood, but changing the formation to play Collins in front of the back 4 would make us a lot more solid. It would allow the fullbacks to join the attack, without leaving a gaping hole behind them. The better the defence the more freedom for the forwards to concentrate on creating.
We've got back into the habit of early last season where we seem to be frightened to attack, especially in numbers. If it wasn't for Cornet we would have nothing.
I'm not trying to knock them, but it is impossible to improve our midfield, they are what they are. The only way we can improve the team is by a change of formation to compensate for our weaknesses.

It’s one thing saying that, but the poster who suggested Collins also had him flanked with Mcneil and JBG behind a front three. If we’re thinking that results in a better protected defence then I don’t really know what else to say. Bottom line is the midfield needs an upgrade but sticking Collins in isn’t the answer.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:35 pm

Brentford setting up 3-5-2 !!

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:38 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:35 pm
Brentford setting up 3-5-2 !!

Yes will easily overun our midfield this lot never stop running and closing you down ,it will be a hard afternoons work

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:39 pm

Safron wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:29 pm
Only cork on bench as a midfield replacement, why doesn't the young lad get a chance mancini

Long term injury

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:40 pm

Why do people get so confused or surprised at line ups? 1. Brentford have played 3-5-2 for the past 2 seasons 2. We play either 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2, this time it will be the first with Cornet operating in behind 3. We played 3-5-2 a few times and we got absolutely destroyed, give it a rest

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:45 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:40 pm
Why do people get so confused or surprised at line ups? 1. Brentford have played 3-5-2 for the past 2 seasons 2. We play either 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2, this time it will be the first with Cornet operating in behind 3. We played 3-5-2 a few times and we got absolutely destroyed, give it a rest

We didn’t have Collins then