I won’t go on the Turf again

PadihamThickNeck · Post by **PadihamThickNeck** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:21 pm

Until this dreadful hoofball stops.

We need a massive squad revamp ASAP the players we have aren’t good enough to play the system we try to play anymore, we have an ageing squad with players who can’t compete at this level anymore, last night was terrible we looked like a league 2 side at best.

There’s no doubt about it we will be in the Championship next season.

A full squad revamp and a change of style is needed. Fans can’t take this no more hence the decline in attendances.

This isn’t an over reaction it’s the truth. Anyone who says we don’t play hoofball is deluded the stats prove it.

I’m not spending my money watching that boring sack of rubbish again.

Miracles are needed, It was fun whilst it lasted.

snapcrackleandpop · Post by **snapcrackleandpop** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:22 pm

You'll upset the superfans PTH

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:24 pm

Airports, train and bus stations don't announce departures.

Up The Clarets, however...

BuryClaret · Post by **BuryClaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:30 pm

Agree with all your points and I do believe we'll be playing Championship football next season.

But that won't stop me from going on - it was tough enough not being able to go during lockdown, seeing friends and enjoying the matchday experience. Almost felt we took it for granted before and wouldn't do that again.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:37 pm

Good for you

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:39 pm

I agree with you, but I think it’s going to take a year or two to recover from a lack of investment for so long under Garlick towards the end.

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:46 pm

All the best. Nice dramatic post.

alf_resco · Post by **alf_resco** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:49 pm

All the usual suspects will be along shortly to tell you :
"We're" better off without you
You're not a "proper" fan
You've never had it so good
Where were you away at Rochdale/Chesterfield/Maidstone (insert lower league club of choice)?
Bet you weren't you one of us 75000 on for the Orient game

Or even more recently, "throwing your toys out of your pram"
etc etc snore zzzzzzzzzzzz.

PS - me too, I've stopped going, along with thousands of others. I wonder why.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:51 pm

What I find is if I get to this stage is that you just don't go until you feel like you are going to enjoy it again

Normally for me that is one game, but if last nights performance is replicated on a consistent basis then there really isn't any point turning up

The United fans clapping themselves on the back for singing and chanting when Liverpool beat them 5-0 at home may think they are doing the right thing, but the clearest message of unhappiness you can send to a football club is by not turning up or leaving early

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:53 pm

The squads needed a good overhaul for the last two seasons. SD has been restricted, the fallout with MG didn’t help. We’ve been punching for sometime and inevitably it catches up with you. I still think a strong mobile forward together with a pacey goal scoring midfielder will get us out of this mess but where do you find players like that within our budget. Apologies for my negativity but I thought four games ago even with Cornet it won’t save us from going down unless there’s more quality to come in, by January we could be too far away. I hope I’m proved wrong.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:55 pm

This is the pram.

Here are the toys.

BenWickes · Post by **BenWickes** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:56 pm

I seem to remember saying something similar in October 1986. Then again in November, December, January 1987.....you get the gist. Except then we really did have something to complain about.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:59 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:55 pm
This is the pram.

Here are the toys.

Unfair comment. Every football fan is entitled to there opinion. Why do people feel the need to criticise. I don’t see a problem with a counter argument that’s constructive but to simply criticise is just wrong and uncalled for.

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:00 pm

People not going certainly won’t help with a squad overhaul, but obviously that’s their right to do so and their choice.
Problem is that contributes to the only option to have funds to do so is to sell our best players, massively counter productive.. A very vicious circle indeed…

Rodleydave · Post by **Rodleydave** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:17 pm

The Americans I do think are doing their best to repair things after the lack of signings before them. £1million for Stevens a Brighton reserve and free transfers, was never going to bring anything. One can only imagine Dyche knew that and signed him to beef up the numbers. It seems reasonable to think that Garlick had been planning the sale for two years. He is if figures are to be believed over £90million better off...or will be. Dyche is only as good as the players he has in the squad. He hasn't become a bad manager. But with the declining players at his disposal he is struggling. Cornet, Roberts and Collins need to stay in the team. Add McNeil, Brownhill, Mee, Taylor and Pope and maybe Westwood. Sell Tarkowski in Jan if we can and use that money to strengthen. Move heaven and earth to sign a striker from somewhere. All is not lost but Brentford is huge. January is critical. Maybe Wilshire on a pay as you play basis. We'll carry on with the 80mile round trip from Leeds but the attraction is either a meal before the game at the Kettledrum, or afterwards at the Hare and Hounds with friends.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:20 pm

Good thread, thanks for starting it...

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:26 pm

Rodleydave wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:17 pm
The Americans I do think are doing their best to repair things after the lack of signings before them. £1million for Stevens a Brighton reserve and free transfers, was never going to bring anything. One can only imagine Dyche knew that and signed him to beef up the numbers. It seems reasonable to think that Garlick had been planning the sale for two years. He is if figures are to be believed over £90million better off...or will be. Dyche is only as good as the players he has in the squad. He hasn't become a bad manager. But with the declining players at his disposal he is struggling. Cornet, Roberts and Collins need to stay in the team. Add McNeil, Brownhill, Mee, Taylor and Pope and maybe Westwood. Sell Tarkowski in Jan if we can and use that money to strengthen. Move heaven and earth to sign a striker from somewhere. All is not lost but Brentford is huge. January is critical. Maybe Wilshire on a pay as you play basis. We'll carry on with the 80mile round trip from Leeds but the attraction is either a meal before the game at the Kettledrum, or afterwards at the Hare and Hounds with friends.

Problem is we may have far too much to do come January.

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:29 pm

Lockdown got me out of the habit of going on, and don’t feel like starting again anytime soon.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:32 pm

Puts to bed the oft repeated claim that people don't have a choice about watching Burnley/football teams.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:35 pm

Arrived home in Shrewsbury with my lad (29) at 12.15 am last night . It did seem a bit of a pointless groundhog day journey . With the football we're playing and the overall cost ( especially diesel ) , I'll certainly be more selective in the home games to attend .

59claret · Post by **59claret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:35 pm

FFS we lost 1-0 in a poxy cup to Spurs. Let’s wait see what Saturday brings before all the doom and gloom.

Sozturf7 · Post by **Sozturf7** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:43 pm

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:49 pm

Just support a different team, I don't know why you have to be such a little bitch?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:53 pm

The OP could have announced his flounce on the Hoofball thread.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:57 pm

I must admit if I didn't have a season ticket I would think twice about buying a match day ticket to watch the rubbish we are having to endure, its league 2 tactics and we are an embarrassment at times.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:57 pm

59claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:35 pm
FFS we lost 1-0 in a poxy cup to Spurs. Let’s wait see what Saturday brings before all the doom and gloom.

If it was a 1 off then fair comment, but we haven't won at home in nearly 15 games. Add the fact we are playing some of the most depressing football since Cotterill.

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:01 pm

Why is it ok to criticise the club, management and individual players but not ok to criticise those negative posters. Or are opinions only allowed to go one way?

Dy1geo · Post by **Dy1geo** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:05 pm

If we go down and I still say “if” I would look at replacing Dyche with a manager who plays football that is pleasing on the eye. The first half yesterday was awful and only improved in the second half with the substitutions particularly Cornet but we are in danger of over expectation with him.

To me the players are low on confidence and choose the easy backwards pass rather than the more speculative forward option, a few times yesterday we were in good positions breaking forward out of defence into midfield only for us to stop pass sideways or backwards.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:14 pm

The recruitment is so bad, they need to strip Dyche of final say on contracts/transfers. Who on earth let Dyche sign Aaron Lennon? surely some idiot is allowing this, the funniest part was the fans defending that signing

Same with the Stephens signing

But but we the fans are just negative for voicing realistic opinions that Lennon and Stephens are shite and were shite signings.......

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:22 pm

PadihamThickNeck wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:21 pm

Not what I call a supporter.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:23 pm

Hi PTN,

Wait a bit...aren't you the one who criticises people for not going to away matches?

So I take it you won't be going to TM but still attending our away games?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:25 pm

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:29 pm
Lockdown got me out of the habit of going on, and don’t feel like starting again anytime soon.

So 2018-2019 then covid struck and you left.
Hmmm!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:38 pm

snapcrackleandpop wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:22 pm
You'll upset the superfans PTH

PTH?
Is that PadihamthickHEAD....I hate it when people announce to everyone their leaving...no need to tell us just go.
It's no big deal

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:43 pm

sadly I know quite a few lads who no longer go for some of the reasons stated by the OP. Every single one of them had been going since the 80's. I guess the cost and the lack of entertainment has worn many people down, the attendances also seem to indicate it.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:55 pm

I would have thought following 18 months not being able to go to a football match would make people realise what they took for granted. For me no matter how bad we are its a big part of my/our life and will always be there when possible.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:59 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:43 pm
sadly I know quite a few lads who no longer go for some of the reasons stated by the OP. Every single one of them had been going since the 80's. I guess the cost and the lack of entertainment has worn many people down, the attendances also seem to indicate it.

Vegas watch out your going to start getting called out by the happy clappers for referring to football as entertainment

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:00 pm

Plenty of people are clearly voting with their feet already. The lack of interest in our away games after 18 months of no footy isn't good either.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:07 pm

Aren't attendances down at most clubs this season anyway, apart from the touristy ones?

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:09 pm

Just don’t go if you don’t fancy it and fair play to the fans who went last night. I didn’t bother last night because it’s gone beyond stale and I don’t find it that entertaining. I did some extra work instead and glad I did. It shouldn’t be a chore but about enjoyment. Lockdown has actually made me realise there is plenty of other stuff to do. I used to hate missing matches but I’m not too bothered at the moment. I can’t remember the last time we looked (convincingly or otherwise) like beating the opposition ( other than Rochdale ). Maybe Wolves away last year. If numbers drop I’m sure the board will do something about it.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:10 pm

I have hunch it will be loosely linked to the amount of people who have not returned to work after lockdown either because their priorities have changed.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:13 pm

It's such a shame that many fans feel this way. After the horrid lockdown I realised just how much I missed the whole matchday routine and I value it more than ever right now. Of course it's as much about the socialising before and after the game than the game itself, which we all know is seldom very good in terms of entertainment value.

You just get the feeling that the whole club, from the playing side to the fans, are stuck in an almighty rut at the moment. We desperately need a thumping victory against Brentford on Saturday.

Longsidelenny1882 · Post by **Longsidelenny1882** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:18 pm

Think being a burnley supporter means you support the club good times bad times and anything else what comes our way from a proud claret uptheclarets

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:28 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:59 pm
Unfair comment. Every football fan is entitled to there opinion. Why do people feel the need to criticise. I don’t see a problem with a counter argument that’s constructive but to simply criticise is just wrong and uncalled for.

I understand how the OP feels entirely. Most of us do.

But my comment is completely fair. He's throwing a barney, as he is perfectly entitled to do.

The problem is that we effectively did not participate in 3-4 transfer windows. We're playing catch up.

If we all throw our toys out of the pram maybe it will give the current squad a kick up the backside, but I'm not sure if it's wise?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:32 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:28 pm
I understand how the OP feels entirely. Most of us do.

But my comment is completely fair. He's throwing a barney, as he is perfectly entitled to do.

The problem is that we effectively did not participate in 3-4 transfer windows. We're playing catch up.

If we all throw our toys out of the pram maybe it will give the current squad a kick up the backside, but I'm not sure if it's wise?

I keep posting this - remember the Cardiff game at home when the club gave out a free scarf to everyone - the atmosphere was superb. It needs replicating, we need a home win

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:38 pm

Rodleydave wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:17 pm
The Americans I do think are doing their best to repair things after the lack of signings before them. £1million for Stevens a Brighton reserve and free transfers, was never going to bring anything. One can only imagine Dyche knew that and signed him to beef up the numbers. It seems reasonable to think that Garlick had been planning the sale for two years. He is if figures are to be believed over £90million better off...or will be.

Hi Rd, just the bit I've underlined. Yes, I think there is good information that Mike Garlick was looking to sell the club from early 2018 - and maybe this path had been started before signs were first seen that this was a possibility.

Re how much "better off" MG will be, £90+ million may be right, though I think to get as much as this the club will need to stay in the Premier League for at least 2 more seasons. Just my speculation - I don't have any other information - that the difference between ALK's bid and Mike Garlick's offer was the difference between a club that continued in the Premier League against one that got relegated. this can explain the lower price of £102 million that ALK have been reported to have paid - and the £68 million that wasn't paid then split (roughly) £45 million Mike Garlick and £23 million John B. If these figures are anywhere near the truth, Mike Garlick is only better off by £45+ million, so far (or, maybe more if the first performance payment related to the 2020/21 season.

UTC

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:58 pm

alf_resco wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:49 pm
All the usual suspects will be along shortly to tell you :
"We're" better off without you
You're not a "proper" fan
You've never had it so good
Where were you away at Rochdale/Chesterfield/Maidstone (insert lower league club of choice)?
Bet you weren't you one of us 75000 on for the Orient game

Or even more recently, "throwing your toys out of your pram"
etc etc snore zzzzzzzzzzzz.

PS - me too, I've stopped going, along with thousands of others. I wonder why.

"Fair weather fan"!

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:24 pm

After our League Cup win at Newcastle a few weeks ago "Padiham Thick Neck" started a thread on here slating Burnley fans for not travelling up to Newcastle for the midweek game in much larger numbers. In fact he said our following was embarrassing, even though he didn't go to the game himself.

After our latest League Cup game he now starts another thread saying he won't go to Turf Moor again.
One minute saying he is embarrassed by the lack of our fans at Newcastle on a midweek night match and the next minute he tells us he won't be going to any more home games.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:46 pm

Can't remember the last cup game I went to, hasn't been worth the time in years.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:52 pm

We've watched far worse at the Turf in my time watching the Clarets since 1963
As a fan my team have thrilled, entertained and frustrated me in equal measure over the decades and will do again
We are on the up with Sean getting money to improve our team.
Things will improve its frustration that prompted the op comments but need all our fans behind the team and manager.
Whoever wears the shirt will get my support.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:56 pm

PTN, what a fanny.

Not seen a good flounce on here for a while. Hope there are a few more on Saturday. You know who you are,you fannies.