Protesting Kids

[RMutt]

It's double the UK's. But hey, if you want to preen your climate whiskers on a messageboard while actively contributing to what you proclaim to be a problem , fill yer boots!

Loving the "Rules for thee, but not for me" approach!

What a ridiculous response. So unless you go and live a self sufficient, off grid life somewhere (and who’s going to give you the land?) you don’t get to comment on climate change etc.

[Rileybobs]

This is embarrassing. Hope the thread doesn’t get pulled as it is a really good reference point to judge the credibility of a poster.

[TheFamilyCat]

What a ridiculous response. So unless you go and live a self sufficient, off grid life somewhere (and who’s going to give you the land?) you don’t get to comment on climate change etc.

Yep, that's basically it and if you do dare to comment while owning a car, or using the internet, or using gas to heat your house you're a hypocrite.

[RingoMcCartney]

That argument is up there with "well how did Greta get to Glasgow" but if it's all you've got, fair enough.

No, that argument simply highlights the unadulterated hypocrisy of the climate obsessives.

You crack on actively contributing to global emissions while simultaneously lecturing others and expecting the already struggling, to accept further impoverishment . Its amusing while I'm waiting for the footy to start, if nowt else !

[RingoMcCartney]

What a ridiculous response. So unless you go and live a self sufficient, off grid life somewhere (and who’s going to give you the land?) you don’t get to comment on climate change etc.

See above

[RingoMcCartney]

Yep, that's basically it and if you do dare to comment while owning a car, or using the internet, or using gas to heat your house you're a hypocrite.

"Rules for thee, but not for me"

[RingoMcCartney]

Im signing off now my Poundland Greta chums.

One of us has to do their bit for climate change!

Enjoy the game.

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[Rombald]

Im signing off now my Poundland Greta chums.

One of us has to do their bit for climate change!

Enjoy the game.

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And how exactly would you expect individuals to protest then? Smoke signals ? (Although you would have some ridiculous response that burning wood contributes I'd imagine).

[Boss Hogg]

In her words, SHE IS AN ACTIVIST. It isn't her job to come up with political solutions and act on them. Like all activists they highlight problems, have their own vision and their own ideas on how to turn things around but she ultimately isn't in power & can't do anything. It's the Johnsons, Bidens, powers in charge that can!! She isn't complaining, she is highlighting the biggest issue for human self-destruction. The fact she started as 13 year old or whatever & where she is now to me shows that she is a pretty impressive, forthright human being who cares, living with Aspergers as well. Can't be taken seriously? You feeling a little insignificant behind your keyboard because a little girl is more famous?
So much ignorance and apathy towards someone who ultimately is trying to help humanity, don't get it.

Nonsense post. I don’t seek fame at all btw

[Taffy on the wing]

It’s important because she’s doing an awful lot of complaining with no doing and no coming up with solutions. This is why as a child cannot be taken seriously. It is a big issue that needs dealing with and many countries are. Why is is she not protesting in the USA Russia or China ?

Idiotic post!

[Boss Hogg]

She offends his "toxic masculinity".

[Boss Hogg]

...........Head explodes!

[Boss Hogg]

....and hated by the brain-washed ignoramuses!

[evensteadiereddie]

Yup, got you sussed, hasn't he ?

[Jakubclaret]

Not sure about protesting kids think some adults have a lot of growing up to do.

[BabylonClaret]

I haven't read most of this. When you see 5 or 6 posts moaning that protesting about climate change is offending them/wrong/a waste of time/blah blah blah you just give up.

Climate change is real. We need to do something. Complaining that others in other countries aren't doing their bit really is a pointless argument.

It's the usual "here's an argument that makes me uncomfortable. Hey let's pretend it isn't real.

[nil_desperandum]

This is embarrassing. Hope the thread doesn’t get pulled as it is a really good reference point to judge the credibility of a poster.

Couldn't agree more.
In the past, (when political threads were more common), I often noted that certain posters seemed to do all they could to get threads pulled just as soon as they realised that the argument wasn't going their way.

[Bigbopper]

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[Bordeauxclaret]

Oh my.

[Lowbankclaret]

It’s a real shame we cannot have debate about this like grownups, without some just trying to get the thread shut on purpose.

[HahaYeah]

Can't wait til they all give up their private jets.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Know what you mean, I put my recycling out this week and then some bloody big petrol or diesel vehicle turned up to get it.
I don’t know why I bothered.

[diamondpocket]

Nonsense post. I don’t seek fame at all btw

so what's your gripe then if you're not feeling inferior to a little girl's actions? Is it all her fault the world going to the pits? In your eyes, she's the problem, why's that?
A nonsense reply that has no substance or input or defense.

[bobinho]

I haven't read most of this. When you see 5 or 6 posts moaning that protesting about climate change is offending them/wrong/a waste of time/blah blah blah you just give up.

Climate change is real. We need to do something. Complaining that others in other countries aren't doing their bit really is a pointless argument.

It's the usual "here's an argument that makes me uncomfortable. Hey let's pretend it isn't real.

Climate change DOES exist… Just from a quick check on tinternet….
0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2, which of course contributes to global warming.
3% of that 0.04% is manmade which equates to 0.000012%.
1% of that is from the UK and I can’t work out how small that is because my calculator doesn’t have enough zeros. Without a doubt global warming is happening for sure, it’s a naturally occurring phenomenon, if it wasn’t we’d still be stuck in the middle of the last ice age!!! We can’t stop it or even slow it down to measurable levels. By all means ignore all that…. You’re going to I know that.

So the COP26 meeting is doing what exactly? It’s creating another cash cow for someone.… China and Russia aren’t playing…. Neither of them want to be part of whatever it is that’s being cooked up by everyone else. There’s a lot of money in this somewhere for someone. Follow the money….

[JohnMcGreal]

This is embarrassing. Hope the thread doesn’t get pulled as it is a really good reference point to judge the credibility of a poster.

I don't think we needed this thread to ascertain that. Four pages deep and no surprises.

[RicardoMontalban]

Climate change DOES exist… Just from a quick check on tinternet….
0.04% of the atmosphere is CO2, which of course contributes to global warming.
3% of that 0.04% is manmade which equates to 0.000012%.
1% of that is from the UK and I can’t work out how small that is because my calculator doesn’t have enough zeros. Without a doubt global warming is happening for sure, it’s a naturally occurring phenomenon, if it wasn’t we’d still be stuck in the middle of the last ice age!!! We can’t stop it or even slow it down to measurable levels. By all means ignore all that…. You’re going to I know that.

So the COP26 meeting is doing what exactly? It’s creating another cash cow for someone.… China and Russia aren’t playing…. Neither of them want to be part of whatever it is that’s being cooked up by everyone else. There’s a lot of money in this somewhere for someone. Follow the money….

Change is happening, and you’re right there has always been shifts in the earth’s climate, but these happened over 10’s millennia. Where we are now is a point where it is irrefutable that mankind’s influence on this has abnormally affected any such change. The changes to the earths atmosphere since the the industrial revolution, and the last hundred years even more so, has set us on a course to where if we continue as we are, and nothing is done, the results will be devastating. Maybe not here in our nice, mild, soggy corner of the world. But to huge swathes of the planet and affecting billions of people. This change won’t happen in a vacuum, the geopolitical ramifications will ripple across all of us. If we remain on this course the earth’s average temperature is expected to rise by 2 degrees C in 30 years. The impact on so much of world will be catastrophic. It feels ridiculous to even type this, it sounds so alarmist and apocalyptic, but it’s real and this will occur in most of our lifetimes. The scientific consensus on this is overwhelming.

There is much to do, and now it is merely to mitigate and slow this change rather than halt it. But change can be made. People say what difference does one persons actions make? What’s the point if countries like China basically don’t give a stuff. But that’s the challenge, it needs everyone to make those small changes for the big changes to happen. But people are getting it, even those parts of the world you wouldn’t expect. I read an article about the gulf states recently whose economy is literally built on fossil fuels. But they are at most risk of these temperature rises. If we carry on as we are much of the Arabian peninsula is uninhabitable come that 30 years mark. But they have the tools to make that change. Solar energy - they got bags of capital and even more empty space, and what was probably unthinkable only 10 years ago is a little less so now.

I’m not sure what your sums are supposed to show, but it’s not what the general thrust of your argument suggests.

[evensteadiereddie]

An excellent post, Ricardo, but a little too coherent and realistic for our gaggle of teenage-hating bar room bores to comprehend. A valiant effort, though.

[AndrewJB]

Nobody has claimed she skippered the ******* things. She sailed, using wind power. That is the point. What does it matter how much the boats cost?

Only by rowing herself over could she be considered genuine enough.

Meanwhile the so called world leaders take short haul flights and the carbon foot prints of billionaires remain far higher than those of ordinary people, and untaxed.

[Lancasterclaret]

If only this was the first example of old people not giving a s**t about the ones who are younger than them eh?

[jrgbfc]

Only by rowing herself over could she be considered genuine enough.

Meanwhile the so called world leaders take short haul flights and the carbon foot prints of billionaires remain far higher than those of ordinary people, and untaxed.

Like Boris Johnson flying home from Glasgow when it's only 5 hours on a train.

[RicardoMontalban]

An excellent post, Ricardo, but a little too coherent and realistic for our gaggle of teenage-hating bar room bores to comprehend. A valiant effort, though.

I know, but one must try!

I really don’t get the hate levelled at these young people. This is their futures, why shouldn’t they have that voice? I commend them.

It’s as if the arguments around climate change are, despite what comments sections and message boards suggest, reasonably settled. We’re now into the arena of will. So rather than attack those arguments and evidence they go on the offensive at perceived hypocrisy, like the fact global activists, to be global, may have to travel and it’s perhaps unrealistic for them to cycle the world. We are all to greater or lesser extent trapped by the society we are part of.

If you’re a paper funded by an oligarch that makes all their money from gas, then sure, you’d expect such attacks. But if you’re just commenting on a footy message board, why? what’s the harm to you?

[TheFamilyCat]

Like Boris Johnson flying home from Glasgow when it's only 5 hours on a train.

Private jet as well, wasn't it?

Still, he's spouted some quotable soundbites so it's all good.

[evensteadiereddie]

Indeed - Johnson's a lying, incompetent prick, we get that - but I'd rather we start somewhere than give up altogether. Let's face it, we're playing the long game here. Move on forty, fifty years and, for example, you're not going to have a diesel-powered binvans picking up your recycling and aviation fuel, even if it remains in its current form, being wasted by the so-called elite.

Makes me laugh on here how some on here reckon to care about their kids' and grandkids' welfare or education but can't or won't imagine the problems those kids are going to face further down the line.

"Nah, its' all a conspiracy.", "Bloody kids, can't even spell." "It's all a money-making exercise." Bonkers.

[Darthlaw]

Dipping back into this thread I have to say Bobinho’s and RicardoMontalban’s posts are great as opposing sides of the argument. This standard of discussion is to be applauded.

The two posts after levelling the intelligence of ‘teenage hating bar room bores’ and ‘old people not giving a ****’ demonstrate beautifully the opposite.

How to make friends and influence people? Insult them into submission.

[Lancasterclaret]

Dipping back into this thread I have to say Bobinho’s and RicardoMontalban’s posts are great as opposing sides of the argument. This standard of discussion is to be applauded.

The two posts after levelling the intelligence of ‘teenage hating bar room bores’ and ‘old people not giving a ****’ demonstrate beautifully the opposite.

How to make friends and influence people? Insult them into submission.

Sorry

Loving the idea that after the years we've had that people think that some people are willing to change though

I can only apologies for pointing that out and I hope you accept my humble apologies

[Darthlaw]

Sorry

Loving the idea that after the years we've had that people think that some people are willing to change though

I can only apologies for pointing that out and I hope you accept my humble apologies

Don’t need to apologise to me, I’m content in my position between the two polar arguments (if a damn site closer to Greta’s side than, climate deniers).

I’m neither old (I don’t think) nor a teenage hater so no offence is personally gleamed. They were just two good examples very close to the good arguments, unfortunately both on one side.

The point I’m making is whether it’s for one point or the other, you would imagine that people would have cottoned on by now (after Brexit and Labour’s capitulation at the last GE) that name calling and sneering, at those you disagree with, doesn’t work as a method of gaining traction in an argument.

[Lancasterclaret]

Don’t need to apologise to me, I’m content in my position between the two polar arguments (if a damn site closer to Greta’s side than, climate deniers).

I’m neither old (I don’t think) nor a teenage hater so no offence is personally gleamed. They were just two good examples very close to the good arguments, unfortunately both on one side.

The point I’m making is whether it’s for one point or the other, you would imagine that people would have cottoned on by now (after Brexit and Labour’s capitulation at the last GE) that name calling and sneering, at those you disagree with, doesn’t work as a method of gaining traction in an argument.

Problem is that people were told by experts what would happen, and they sneered and name called them

I'm being serious here btw, but my sympathy for the people who did that and now suffer the consequences for that decision is very limited indeed

Difference here with climate change is that its kids who are going to be directly affected as they get older, and I think people of my generation (and the ones above) have a duty to do something about it

[Lowbankclaret]

I have watched a lot of the COP 26 and there does appear to be a big change this time around.

America is passing some bills to provide massive amounts of money to deal with Americas emissions.

Countries signing a deal to halt deforestation, however to provide balance, it’s already illegal to cut down trees in Brazil but Sky news easily found illegal logging in Brazil on a large scale.

Here in the UK we have nearly stopped altogether producing electric using coal. It will be stopped fully next year.

A 14 year old Indian girl designed a solar powered ironing cart that can be used instead of the coal ones used today.

On Greta, she is kind off getting cancelled out by the other new young climate activists who I have to say have been very articulate and shown to have a good wide knowledge of the problem and they are working in their countries to do things to help.

The Colombian girls were explaining that being a climate activist in Columbia, means you get assassinated. The lead climate activist was assassinated two days before they got on the plane to Glasgow.

It’s issues like Madagascar that we need to help fix, they have cut down 40% of the forest in the last 50 years. The eco system is collapsing and the people have little to eat so they cut down more trees to make charcoal or just use the wood to sell or for cooking. I think they said they live of 2 dollars a week. We need to help them so they don’t have to carry on cutting down the forest.

[dsr]

If only this was the first example of old people not giving a [deleted] about the ones who are younger than them eh?

This is the same comprehension issue you had with another (political) issue which I suspect you are referring to. Yes, there are people who have a different opinion to you. Yes, you believe you are right and they are wrong. No problems there.

But you ascribe the wrong motive. The reason they have their opinion is not because they know you to be right but think they would be better off ignoring the truth. The reason they have their opinion is because they believe you to be wrong. If you want to ascribe foolishness to them, fair enough. But to ascribe malice, and hatred of their children? For the most part, untrue.

The majority of people with children and grandchildren genuinely do want the best for their descendants.

[Lancasterclaret]

This is the same comprehension issue you had with another (political) issue which I suspect you are referring to. Yes, there are people who have a different opinion to you. Yes, you believe you are right and they are wrong. No problems there.

But you ascribe the wrong motive. The reason they have their opinion is not because they know you to be right but think they would be better off ignoring the truth. The reason they have their opinion is because they believe you to be wrong. If you want to ascribe foolishness to them, fair enough. But to ascribe malice, and hatred of their children? For the most part, untrue.

The majority of people with children and grandchildren genuinely do want the best for their descendants.

Hmm

I love mine enough to want them to have the same opportunities I had and to be able to make that choice for themselves

You love them enough to tell them that everything you do is for them

Different ways of parenting I guess

[Shaggy]

Unfortunately this cop26 business is just that, a whole host of world leaders virtue signalling about the climate then seeing how they can gain both politically and financially.

At the end of the day until we ( as a human race ) stop chopping down forestation and limit breeding then not a lot is going to change and some people will become rich on the back of their virtue signalling.

[bobinho]

You have no chance whatsoever dsr, when someone loves their kids more than you do yours….

[Devils_Advocate]

Unfortunately this cop26 business is just that, a whole host of world leaders virtue signalling about the climate then seeing how they can gain both politically and financially.

At the end of the day until we ( as a human race ) stop chopping down forestation and limit breeding then not a lot is going to change and some people will become rich on the back of their virtue signalling.

Climate change denial and conspiracy theory propaganda is where the money is for the elite and rich. If you want to follow the money then I think you will find it leads in you in the exact opposite direction of what you seem to think.

Its the politicians and leaders who are leveraging this topic as a phoney culture war that you should be worried about rather than trotting out the tropes they have pushed onto you such as 'virtue signalling'

[JohnMcGreal]

Problem is that people were told by experts what would happen, and they sneered and name called them

I'm being serious here btw, but my sympathy for the people who did that and now suffer the consequences for that decision is very limited indeed

Difference here with climate change is that its kids who are going to be directly affected as they get older, and I think people of my generation (and the ones above) have a duty to do something about it

That, and the really important fact that the time for arguing and debating is fast running out. It's an extremely time sensitive issue, to put it mildly.

[Lowbankclaret]

A big part of the problem is finance, apparently at the Paris COP. The developed countries promised 100 billion by 2020 to finance projects . Two that were talked about were the
Maldives who want to go 100% solar, they want to do floating solar arrays in the lagoons instead of importing diesel. They say they have got 12% but need access to the 100 billion to convert fully away from diesel.
Greece, they are doing trials of 6 renewable resources on a small island. They said they have had several meetings with a UK wind turbine manufacturer, once they have worked out the best solution for them they intend to roll out that on the next smallest island . If finance is available they do it for each island.

So there are a lot of projects that want to get started and countries want to do this, they just need the funds.

The CEO of the Eden project was saying they drilled down into the earth and the heat they get comes out at 160 degrees and provide there energy and hundreds of homes nearby. He believes we could be virtually fossil fuel free in 5 years if we wanted to be. The technology is there.