Today's footie 6/10/21

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:37 pm

The small matter of the Manchester derby to start with, will it be Ole's swansong at Utd?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:42 pm

Might be, if it carries on like this because its 0-1 Citeh.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:43 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:37 pm
The small matter of the Manchester derby to start with, will it be Ole's swansong at Utd?

No I think the ghost of United’s past will still be backing Ole to turn it around. Fergie was minutes away from the sack and swapping and changing has failed to stabilise United since he left… I don’t think the appetite for change is strong enough, yet.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:44 pm

It’s a shame they both can’t lose but I do enjoy watching United’s defence fall to pieces every time the opposition attack.

They really are an awfully coached side.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:44 pm

Terrible start for them.

A big defeat would be difficult to survive after the Liverpool game.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:54 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:43 pm
No I think the ghost of United’s past will still be backing Ole to turn it around. Fergie was minutes away from the sack and swapping and changing has failed to stabilise United since he left… I don’t think the appetite for change is strong enough, yet.

Different era in those days though, and Utd weren't a big spending club in the early years of Fergie's reign, plus the expectation probably weren't as high, whereas Ole has spent a fortune compared to the likes of Leicester & Liverpool, and if anything they are going backwards.

And what Utd do in training I have no idea, but it's evidently not defensive work they are a shambles at the back again.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:01 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:44 pm
They really are an awfully coached side.

I think this is the problem.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:02 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:54 pm
Different era in those days though, and Utd weren't a big spending club in the early years of Fergie's reign, plus the expectation probably weren't as high, whereas Ole has spent a fortune compared to the likes of Leicester & Liverpool, and if anything they are going backwards.

And what Utd do in training I have no idea, but it's evidently not defensive work they are a shambles at the back again.

It depends how you define big spending… at the time United had multiple million pound signings when even few division one clubs could afford one. He brought through youth, but don’t forget Big Ron had signed Robson and Moses, they had Gary Birtles, Alan Brazil, Arnold Muhran, Jasper Olson….

United outspent the rest of the division by some margin; other teams had ‘blasts’ Swales backed City (Alison and Bond) and Southampton had a spree late 70’s early 80’s but no one could match United funds.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:06 pm

City should be 3 nil up.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:06 pm

De Gea keeping United in this.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:07 pm

De Gea playing a blinder.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:07 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:06 pm
City should be 3 nil up.

Absolutely - De Gea has been really, really good.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:07 pm

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Poor here from utd

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:18 pm

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:18 pm

Haha shambolic

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:19 pm

Schoolboy mistake by Shaw. No communication

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:19 pm

That second goal at least reflects the first half. One Ronaldo effort apart it’s been virtual one way traffic.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:20 pm

That 2nd goal fully reflects City dominance, and if Utd don't buck their ideas up 2nd half this could be another 0-5.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:20 pm

Amazing how Solskjaer continues to be in charge.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:20 pm

The customary booing at HT, United very poor.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:21 pm

United v City is men against Boys

Its actually quite difficult watching how poor United are

I don't think even Ronaldo can save them in this one

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:21 pm

I’d like to see City go for the kill.

It might be more advantageous in the long run not to go too hard though.

aclaretinstevenage · Post by **aclaretinstevenage** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:22 pm

Remind me! Maguire and Shaw are first choice England regulars aren't they?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:25 pm

I hope City don't get the deck chairs out in the second half as Liverpool did.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:25 pm

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:22 pm
Remind me! Maguire and Shaw are first choice England regulars aren't they?

They've been very good for England and Shaw was excellent for United last season. Sort of exemplifies Solskjaer's lack of ability.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:29 pm

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:22 pm
Remind me! Maguire and Shaw are first choice England regulars aren't they?

Yes but they shouldn’t be!

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:29 pm

This is making our away result look very good!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:31 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:25 pm
They've been very good for England and Shaw was excellent for United last season. Sort of exemplifies Solskjaer's lack of ability.

They have generally been fine for England, but it's worth mentioning that they are well served by Phillips and Rice screening the midfield and breaking up many attacks before the opposition get close to England's backline, yes some people might think Southgate's tactics are negative, but he's proving far more effective than Ole's scatter-brained approach to management.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:33 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:31 pm
They have generally been fine for England, but it's worth mentioning that they are well served by Phillips and Rice screening the midfield and breaking up many attacks before the opposition get close to England's backline, yes some people might think Southgate's tactics are negative, but he's proving far more effective than Ole's scatter-brained approach to management.

I think the major factor is that United are defensively dreadful this season in terms of shape, cohesion and confidence .

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:33 pm

Today's footie? Or last month's?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:36 pm

Tall Paul wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:33 pm
Today's footie? Or last month's?

Oops I did it again, they should make a song out of that.

Note to self it's now November.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:38 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:33 pm
I think the major factor is that United are defensively dreadful this season in terms of shape, cohesion and confidence .

Utd are woeful all over the pitch Ronaldo accepted, and he must be shaking his head at what he's walked into at OT.

aclaretinstevenage · Post by **aclaretinstevenage** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:47 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:25 pm
Sort of exemplifies Solskjaer's lack of ability.

Possibly, but a struggling manager is surely entitled to some assistance from his Senior men is he not? It's not only this match, thinking back to the Liverpool game they don't seem to have improved much for all Maguire's apologising and taking a look at themselves. Roy Keane is not best pleased with things just now.

We'll see what the second half brings

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:55 pm

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:47 pm
Possibly, but a struggling manager is surely entitled to some assistance from his Senior men is he not? It's not only this match, thinking back to the Liverpool game they don't seem to have improved much for all Maguire's apologising and taking a look at themselves. Roy Keane is not best pleased with things just now.

We'll see what the second half brings

Of course he needs and should expect assistance from his players. But if he can't get more out of them he will be sacked.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:57 pm

Pep is just genius

aclaretinstevenage · Post by **aclaretinstevenage** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:03 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:55 pm
Of course he needs and should expect assistance from his players. But if he can't get more out of them he will be sacked.

Yes inevitable and probably not too far away.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:03 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:38 pm
Utd are woeful all over the pitch Ronaldo accepted, and he must be shaking his head at what he's walked into at OT.

He must be thinking he’s joined the wrong Manchester club.

Although whether he had the opportunity in the end is debatable.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:30 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:03 pm
He must be thinking he’s joined the wrong Manchester club.

Although whether he had the opportunity in the end is debatable.

Man U. were doing fine with Mason Greenwood up front, until they've obviously shoe horned CR7 into the side, to the detriment of the others by the looks of it.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:32 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:30 pm
Man U. were doing fine with Mason Greenwood up front, until they've obviously shoe horned CR7 into the side, to the detriment of the others by the looks of it.

Greenwood has still looked fine. Ronaldo has been their bright light. I can think of many other reasons why the others are underperforming before pinning it on Ronaldo.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:42 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:32 pm
Greenwood has still looked fine. Ronaldo has been their bright light. I can think of many other reasons why the others are underperforming before pinning it on Ronaldo.

Indeed if it wasn't for Ronaldo Utd would probably already be out of the CL, he's virtually kept them ticking over in that competition on his own with his goals.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:49 pm

Ronaldo has saved them with some incredible finishing but his overall contributions have been poor including non existent pressing. United were far better as a team with Cavani last season, for example.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:58 pm

Benson starts for the Tykes in their home derby with Hull.

Brady on Bournemouth's bench again, as is Juke for Brum in their delayed KO against Reading, that game now starts at 3.30.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:00 pm

Duffer's Cheltenham 1-0 to the good at Gillingham now HT in the early KO, maybe he fancies another cup run and a return to TM in the new year.

Myk · Post by **Myk** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:19 pm

Blackburn lasted 2 minutes. 0-1

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:23 pm

Currently Halifax 6-4 Maidenhead in the FA Cup

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:39 pm

Here’s hoping Newcastle get a good chuffing.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:54 pm

Shouldn’t be a pen.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:55 pm

Went down like a sack o spuds.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:55 pm

Get in Brighton

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:56 pm

Brentford are starting to look nailed on for relegation.