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I just wonder

Post by sox8595 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:21 am

How many players in the top six would expect to get into our team without being "dyche fit" and be capable of proving it

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:33 am

Top players at the top clubs will easily have the fitness levels that Dyche expects off our players

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Re: I just wonder

Post by sox8595 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:36 am

And attitude?
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Re: I just wonder

Post by Cubanforever » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:37 am

It's not just about fitness with Sean though, I think attitude plays a massive part in his thinking

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Cubanforever » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:41 am

sox8595 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:36 am
And attitude?
We are on the same page sox....just beat me

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:44 am

Attitudes a different question but if you're including that in your term of 'Dyche Fit' then yes most of the top stars have a fantastic attitude and a great work ethic. Apart from special cases players wont make it to the top and play regularly for teams like Liverpool, City and Chelsea on talent alone

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Re: I just wonder

Post by sox8595 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:51 am

Apologies, by "dyche fit" I meant fit mentally, physically and committed to the cause.
In my world this is what is minimum requirement to get in the team.

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:03 am

Obviously someone like Jack Grealish isnt going to want to come to play for Burnley and as a winger have a main role of tracking the oppositions full backs but thats nothing to do with his fitness, attitude and commitment but because he's better than our level and will want to play with the best players he can. In the same way Cornet wouldn't want to go and play for Preston at the bottom of the Championship cos he's better than their level.

If a top player wanted for some reason to come and play for Burnley and Dyche wanted them here then I dont think they would be any worry on the 'Dyche Fit' question cos like I said these players tend to be model pro's who have worked tirelessly for most of there life to get to the top.

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Re: I just wonder

Post by sox8595 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:08 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:03 am
Obviously someone like Jack Grealish isnt going to want to come to play for Burnley and as a winger have a main role of tracking the oppositions full backs but thats nothing to do with his fitness, attitude and commitment but because he's better than our level and will want to play with the best players he can. In the same way Cornet wouldn't want to go and play for Preston at the bottom of the Championship cos he's better than their level.

If a top player wanted for some reason to come and play for Burnley and Dyche wanted them here then I dont think they would be any worry on the 'Dyche Fit' question cos like I said these players tend to be model pro's who have worked tirelessly for most of there life to get to the top.
Erm what has that got to do with the question I asked?

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:12 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:03 am
Obviously someone like Jack Grealish isnt going to want to come to play for Burnley and as a winger have a main role of tracking the oppositions full backs but thats nothing to do with his fitness, attitude and commitment but because he's better than our level and will want to play with the best players he can. In the same way Cornet wouldn't want to go and play for Preston at the bottom of the Championship cos he's better than their level.

If a top player wanted for some reason to come and play for Burnley and Dyche wanted them here then I dont think they would be any worry on the 'Dyche Fit' question cos like I said these players tend to be model pro's who have worked tirelessly for most of there life to get to the top.
colossal over rated dud. grealish is a waste of space.

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Re: I just wonder

Post by sox8595 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:14 am

The way I see it there are players out there(many levels) that would give their all to play for us, maybe not so many in the top teams, but, my question (I believe) is pertinent.
If a player is really confident in their abity/character and thirst would they not want to prove themselves in a team built on standards rather then money?

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:16 am

sox8595 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:08 am
Erm what has that got to do with the question I asked?
Im explaining my answer but in short I think pretty much all the top players could walk into our side and do what was asked of the because in terms of fitness, attitude and commitment they have to have all of those qualities to reach where they have got to in the game

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Re: I just wonder

Post by sox8595 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:28 am

Fair enough. but would he be capable of being integrated in our team and prove his quality in a team such as ours? or would he be lost with our style of play, our methods, system and resilience.
Again I'm afraid that my question was a a little basic, I'm looking at the whole team ethos rather than indvidual qualities

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:33 am

Yes personally I think they would in the same way Cornet has come straight in to our team. I think for defenders and defensive midfielders they would actually find it a lot easier playing in our set up than they do playing for the top teams where they have to cope with being very exposed at times.

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:27 am

I think the op is severely underestimating the attitude and adaptability of top quality footballers. Look at Cornet - comes into a team who play a style he’s probably never really been involved with, in a position he hasn’t really played before and still looks a class above. Have a look at Man City today against United - their off the ball work, their attitude, stamina and work rate. Closing down, pressurising, in the 90th minute even when 2-0 up. LFC similar.
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Re: I just wonder

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:40 am

Fitness levels would be easy.
I think its more to do with, as Stephen Defour put it, learning to play without the ball.
There are many wonderful players in the top 6, yet watching them it is obvious that many of them would improve massively, if they could learn how to play without the ball. TAA the most obvious individual.

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Re: I just wonder

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:45 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:16 am
Im explaining my answer but in short I think pretty much all the top players could walk into our side and do what was asked of the because in terms of fitness, attitude and commitment they have to have all of those qualities to reach where they have got to in the game
Agree, pretty much any player in the top 6 squads

Has someone seriously suggested Grealish is useless?
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Re: I just wonder

Post by claretandy » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:52 am

Foden and Jesus were asked to nullify Utd's wing-backs, i.e do a job for the team, Silva was asked to play as a false 9. City are the epitome of a team.

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Re: I just wonder

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:08 am

sox8595 wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:21 am
How many players in the top six would expect to get into our team without being "dyche fit" and be capable of proving it
Certainly the whole of the Citeh team and, after the analysis of Manure on MOTD, none of OGS's Manure !

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