Derby Co docked another 9 points

[RammyClaret61]

Accounting irregularities

[claretonthecoast1882]

29 games left

87 points needed for the championship

nooooo problem

[Colburn_Claret]

I'd have preferred 90, but it's a start.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/november/ ... by-county/

They could get another 3 point deduction if they continue dicking about and they've cancelled their appeal against the earlier deduction.

Potential buyers were assuming the club was going to be relegated this season anyway, so I'd expect a sale to be announced in the next few weeks.
They should get it quite cheap.

Wonder what Wycombe are thinking ...

[ClaretTony]

The 9 point penalty was expected before the 12 point penalty for going into administration

[Quickenthetempo]

https://www.efl.com/news/2021/november/ ... by-county/

They could get another 3 point deduction if they continue dicking about and they've cancelled their appeal against the earlier deduction.

Potential buyers were assuming the club was going to be relegated this season anyway, so I'd expect a sale to be announced in the next few weeks.
They should get it quite cheap.

Wonder what Wycombe are thinking ...

Nixon reckons they can't get it any cheaper. The minimum they can pay is 25p in the pound for their big debts.

[IanMcL]

Sad for any football club. The fans do not deserve it. Nor does the town.

[evensteadiereddie]

Sad for the town and its supporters. The club cheated, it deserves to get hammered.

[Bosscat]

Sad for the town and its supporters. The club cheated, it deserves to get hammered.

Its not often we see eye to eye Eddie but definitely on this subject ...

Derby broke the rules and need to pay the consequences, yes its very sad for the supporters but like the old adage goes... "If you can`t do the time, don`t do the crime" Sorry Derby County but thems the breaks

All we want now is the Premier League to sort out those living beyond their means, by spending more than their income ... and the Jobs a good un.

[mikeS]

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[Claretitus]

[Local cricketer]

Sad for any football club. The fans do not deserve it. Nor does the town.

Is it another conspiracy?

[ClaretTony]

All well and good saying the fans don't deserve it but those same fans don't complain when they are overspending and cheating.

Reading to be deducted six points apparently.

[Spijed]

All well and good saying the fans don't deserve it but those same fans don't complain when they are overspending and cheating.

Reading to be deducted six points apparently.

That's why I had no sympathy with Portsmouth. Their fans were quite happy to celebrate winning the FA cup

[ClaretTony]

Reading to be deducted six points apparently.

Confirmed

[tiger76]

The Championship is becoming a real mess with all these various points deductions, however if you can't keep your affairs in order and live within your means then I'm afraid you'll need to face any sanctions the EFL deem fit.

Derby have known for some years now that they were spending money they couldn't afford, so there's no point them crying now it's coming back to bite them on the backside.

[fatboy47]

Think we need to be cautious here.

The current Burnley masterplan certainly appears to be spending wedges of other people's cash whilst already debt-laden.

Legit perhaps, but potentially equally dangerous and with no guarantee of being able to pay it back if demanded in the near future.

[houseboy]

I have never and will never agree with points deductions. It punishes the fans, it punishes the town, it punishes the club (it’s not ‘the club’ that causes it) but doesn’t really punish the ones who are the cause of it because it rarely seems to impact on their personal wealth. And as someone has pointed out it’s making a mockery of the championship. I really hope that Derby can pull off a miracle and stay up just so they could, as a club and fans, put two fingers up to the powers that be. As it is it is making the relegation battle less daunting and less interesting because, unless we see that miracle, there are only two relegation places left.
Yet another case of money dictating things rather than results on the pitch. And yet Newcastle can be taken over by a somewhat shady looking bunch of billionaires and that’s fine. And people think the game was worse when all clubs were skint and pitches and facilities were naff. At least football was reasonably honest and no one was in it for the money. I despair.

[elwaclaret]

I have never and will never agree with points deductions. It punishes the fans, it punishes the town, it punishes the club (it’s not ‘the club’ that causes it) but doesn’t really punish the ones who are the cause of it because it rarely seems to impact on their personal wealth. And as someone has pointed out it’s making a mockery of the championship. I really hope that Derby can pull off a miracle and stay up just so they could, as a club and fans, put two fingers up to the powers that be. As it is it is making the relegation battle less daunting and less interesting because, unless we see that miracle, there are only two relegation places left.
Yet another case of money dictating things rather than results on the pitch. And yet Newcastle can be taken over by a somewhat shady looking bunch of billionaires and that’s fine. And people think the game was worse when all clubs were skint and pitches and facilities were naff. At least football was reasonably honest and no one was in it for the money. I despair.

They have no power outside of football. They could never afford to legally prosecute wrongdoers financially through the courts. Deducting points is within their power. Have to point out money has been an issue since professional football first kicked off. There have been countless bungs, dodgy transfers, assaults and worse long before “money” got involved. However, I do agree with your sentiment.

[RammyClaret61]

I have never and will never agree with points deductions. It punishes the fans, it punishes the town, it punishes the club (it’s not ‘the club’ that causes it) but doesn’t really punish the ones who are the cause of it because it rarely seems to impact on their personal wealth. And as someone has pointed out it’s making a mockery of the championship. I really hope that Derby can pull off a miracle and stay up just so they could, as a club and fans, put two fingers up to the powers that be. As it is it is making the relegation battle less daunting and less interesting because, unless we see that miracle, there are only two relegation places left.
Yet another case of money dictating things rather than results on the pitch. And yet Newcastle can be taken over by a somewhat shady looking bunch of billionaires and that’s fine. And people think the game was worse when all clubs were skint and pitches and facilities were naff. At least football was reasonably honest and no one was in it for the money. I despair.

But the club are accruing points because of the money they don’t really have. This also makes a mockery of the championship. A points deduction is perfectly fair, to level the playing field again.
Also fans don’t care about overspending until it comes home to roost. Then they cry it’s not their fault, please feel sorry for us. Well no. I feel sorry for all the little companies who are going to lose out. F*** Derby, you made your bed lie in it.

“Yet another case of money dictating things rather than results on the pitch” exactly. What do you think Derbys aim was by overspending.

[HunterST_BFC]

Wade Elliott's goal has been so priceless for BFC.
Things could be so different.

Derby have/had bet the ranch for years and been so close...

Changing managers so often when they were not doing too badly has cost them - constantly having to rebuild - and pay compo' plus the huge player wages etc etc.

[ecc]

Cannot see any other way of punishing clubs that break the rules. Is there are any suitable punishment that won't be:

"unfair" on the club, fans, city, every stray dog walking the streets of Derby?

[Woodleyclaret]

It still seems if your face fits in the Football club you can get away with all sorts of creative accounting with impunity
Portsmouth,Leeds,Cardiff and Leicester all managed to clear huge debts with no serious consequences
Darlington, Bury and now Derby all have suffered.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It still seems if your face fits in the Football club you can get away with all sorts of creative accounting with impunity
Portsmouth,Leeds,Cardiff and Leicester all managed to clear huge debts with no serious consequences
Darlington, Bury and now Derby all have suffered.

Rules get changed/tightened when clubs find new ways to break them

Also in fairness Leeds were handed a -21 start one season I think, Portsmouth have also had one, along with any club that enters admin.

Derby have been proven to repeatedly break the rules now over a number of years, people can talk about the fans as much as they like, but they were loving it.

[Dark Cloud]

Yes, points deductions do tend to hurt fans far more than they hurt managers, players and dodgy owners because the fans of a club have always been there and always will be there, long after the other parties have put it down to a bad day at work and moved on. But as said above, that really is the only way the leagues can punish clubs for what is essentially cheating by attempting to gain an unfair advantage. That's exactly what overspending against the rules to hopefully finish above your rivals is. Cheating. I also think many fans, especially at the clubs being punished forget that the rules on spending were brought in to protect THEM as much as anyone else. When a club goes broke and goes to the wall due to "betting the ranch" it has always been the fans who have been left picking up the pieces along with the creditors. After Portsmouth, Birmingham, Coventry, Bolton etc the rules were put in place to actually protect fans from having their club suddenly go bump overnight, right under their noses. I desperately want Burnley to stay in the PL and if we fall out of it, I desperately want us to get back ASAP, but would I EVER want us to be overspending to the point where we could go bust if a few results didn't go our way? Absolutely not. I'd sooner be in Div 2 than have that happen.

[ecc]

"I desperately want Burnley to stay in the PL and if we fall out of it, I desperately want us to get back ASAP, but would I EVER want us to be overspending to the point where we could go bust if a few results didn't go our way? Absolutely not. I'd sooner be in Div 2 than have that happen."

Well said, Dark Cloud.

[duncandisorderly]

Points deduction is the only punishment appropriate, other than automatic relegation. What else could they do? Deduct them 1000 points less 1 for every season ticket holder and less 10 who can say they were there when the fog rolled in?

The idea isn't so much to punish the supporters of, in this instance, Derby County, but to prevent the owners of, say, Reading, from trying it on and getting away with it.

So really it's not the FA or Football League punishing any supporters, it's the owner not caring two hoots about the supporters if and when it all goes tits up.

[Shaggy]

Is it not “Wayne Rooney’s” Derby any more?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... uoVCw&s=19

Some of their debts, inc nearly £30 million owed to HMRC

[houseboy]

But the club are accruing points because of the money they don’t really have. This also makes a mockery of the championship. A points deduction is perfectly fair, to level the playing field again.
Also fans don’t care about overspending until it comes home to roost. Then they cry it’s not their fault, please feel sorry for us. Well no. I feel sorry for all the little companies who are going to lose out. F*** Derby, you made your bed lie in it.

“Yet another case of money dictating things rather than results on the pitch” exactly. What do you think Derbys aim was by overspending.

What about some of the PL clubs? Utd were (presumably still are) in huge debt but it’s okay for them to spend money they haven’t got. And abroad what about the Spanish giants? It seems to me that these punishments only get handed out to clubs with no clout. City’s ban from Europe never happened. I wonder why? How long before Newcastle are bypassing FFP rules? Money rules all in football now and it seems anything goes if you have the financial clout behind the scenes.

[RalphCoatesComb]

How quickly time passes. It only seems like yesterday that Derby fans saw themselves as our biggest rivals for getting out of the Championship. Then, season after season, they "blew it". It was almost as if they didn't want promotion. Or is my mind playing tricks on me again?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What about some of the PL clubs? Utd were (presumably still are) in huge debt but it’s okay for them to spend money they haven’t got. And abroad what about the Spanish giants? It seems to me that these punishments only get handed out to clubs with no clout. City’s ban from Europe never happened. I wonder why? How long before Newcastle are bypassing FFP rules? Money rules all in football now and it seems anything goes if you have the financial clout behind the scenes.

City and the PL are in an ongoing court case about City taking the ****.
Uefa have a time limit on being able to do stuff, the PL doesn't.

Utd have shown they can generate an enormous amount of revenue, Derby etc cannot.

The issue is, and always has been, clubs spending way over what they can actually generate and the League having very poor rules in place to stop this happening.

Automatic relegation clauses in player wages would solve a lot of this fairly quickly as wages are usually the reason why clubs have huge debts.

[houseboy]

Nobody doubts United’s ability to raise revenue but the fact remains they are in debt, which in turn means people are owed money by a club paying ridiculous wages and paying out huge fees.
There is no other business model that I am aware of that allows organisations to indefinitely go on spending more than they actually earn but it seems only those with no power get punished.
Agree totally about wages but it should be a cap. Relegation clauses are not going to worry players at the big six.