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Matej Vydra

Post by minnieclaret » Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:48 pm

Starts as the lone striker. According to BBC team news.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by IanMcL » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:36 pm

Did Tontoek play?

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:08 am

Subbed on 69 by Kopic who got a yellow card.

No goals, no assists.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:57 am

There will be a ratings thread somewhere with Vydra getting 7s, 8s and 9s due to him not getting the service.

Others in the side who didn't score will be getting 3s and 4s and labelled useless
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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Hbclaret007 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:03 am

Good for him to get some game time.

The question I have is whether we will offer him a new contract and would he accept it??

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by 1989_claret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:30 am

If he had had more game time i think he'd have scored with the last minute lob at Chelsea.

I'd also 100% be offering him a new contract but yeah whether he accepts it is another question.

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Post by Down_Rover » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:29 pm

1989_claret wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:30 am
If he had had more game time i think he'd have scored with the last minute lob at Chelsea.

I'd also 100% be offering him a new contract but yeah whether he accepts it is another question.
Sure. A 5 goal a season striker is just what we need

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:45 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:29 pm
Sure. A 5 goal a season striker is just what we need
His best season in the prem resulted in a return of 3 goals

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:58 pm

You can't score or contribute if you're not chosen !!! Give the lad a break, please.
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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:58 pm
You can't score or contribute if you're not chosen !!! Give the lad a break, please.
Wood has scored more goals in 2021 than Vydra has in 69 premier league appearances.

Vydra is a good grafter but similarly to Gayle he hasn’t made the step up.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Funkydrummer » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:07 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm
Wood has scored more goals in 2021 than Vydra has in 69 premier league appearances.

Vydra is a good grafter but similarly to Gayle he hasn’t made the step up.
????????????? :o :o

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by KRBFC » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:19 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:00 pm
Wood has scored more goals in 2021 than Vydra has in 69 premier league appearances.

Vydra is a good grafter but similarly to Gayle he hasn’t made the step up.
I'm not sure I'd judge Vydra's entire game on goals, his movement often creates space for others. As for mentioning 69 PL appearances, that's incredibly disingenuous given most of those appearances are off the bench. I'd like to see an upgrade on Vydra in the next window, he's been a decent option for us though.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by RVclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:19 pm
I'm not sure I'd judge Vydra's entire game on goals, his movement often creates space for others. As for mentioning 69 PL appearances, that's incredibly disingenuous given most of those appearances are off the bench. I'd like to see an upgrade on Vydra in the next window, he's been a decent option for us though.
This point is lost on him I’ve said it multiple times. For example the 2 min sub appearance just a few weeks back at Southampton is included (plus many more).

Vydra, even in the Championship, was never really a poacher/goal scorer. In fact I believe he’s spent most of his career playing more of ‘10’ type role playing behind a main striker. As you have mentioned, his movement gives us that extra bit of guile usually gives us something we don’t have up there.

Clearly he’s never going to be an outright scorer in the Prem but also in fairness he’s never really had a clear run of games, last season aside for around 10-12.
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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by IanMcL » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:49 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:45 pm
His best season in the prem resulted in a return of 3 goals
He has eon our pen and some good free kicks. Very trick for defenders, late on, when he comes on fresh.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:55 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:43 pm
This point is lost on him I’ve said it multiple times. For example the 2 min sub appearance just a few weeks back at Southampton is included (plus many more).

Vydra, even in the Championship, was never really a poacher/goal scorer. In fact I believe he’s spent most of his career playing more of ‘10’ type role playing behind a main striker. As you have mentioned, his movement gives us that extra bit of guile usually gives us something we don’t have up there.

Clearly he’s never going to be an outright scorer in the Prem but also in fairness he’s never really had a clear run of games, last season aside for around 10-12.
I haven’t a problem with Vydra, I hope he stays as he’s a decent option of the bench.
However I think our fan base need reality checks, the constant slagging off that Wood receives in comparison to Vydra is laughable.
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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by ecc » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:21 pm

"Vydra is a good grafter but similarly to Gayle he hasn’t made the step up."

"A good grafter." Does that mean bereft of technique?

Gayle? Dwight Gayle?

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by KRBFC » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:22 pm

I watched Norway play the other day, I'd take Solbakken from Bodo Glimt, wide player capable of playing in a 10. Made his international debut and looked very good on the ball. I saw the highlights of Bodo v Roma in the Europa League, Bodo won 6-1 and Solbakken scored 2. I watched the reverse fixture live, Bodo nicked a 2 all draw, Solbakken scored a beauty (the 1st goal in this clip). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaGsQth ... nel=ASRoma

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:39 pm

ecc wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:21 pm
"Vydra is a good grafter but similarly to Gayle he hasn’t made the step up."

"A good grafter." Does that mean bereft of technique?

Gayle? Dwight Gayle?
Yep both have a fairly similar career in the prem.

Gayle - 76 games - 11 goals
Vydra - 69 games - 7 goals

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:22 pm
I watched Norway play the other day, I'd take Solbakken from Bodo Glimt, wide player capable of playing in a 10. Made his international debut and looked very good on the ball. I saw the highlights of Bodo v Roma in the Europa League, Bodo won 6-1 and Solbakken scored 2. I watched the reverse fixture live, Bodo nicked a 2 all draw, Solbakken scored a beauty (the 1st goal in this clip). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaGsQth ... nel=ASRoma
I really rated the lad Watford signed from that division (Zinkernagel) and expected him to play really well. Unfortunately he couldn’t make the step up.

That was after 19 goals and 18 assists in 28 games the previous season for Bodo.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by bobinho » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:59 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:57 am
There will be a ratings thread somewhere with Vydra getting 7s, 8s and 9s due to him not getting the service.

Others in the side who didn't score will be getting 3s and 4s and labelled useless
No there won’t.

No they won’t.

Other than that, excellent summary.
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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by tiger76 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:16 pm

Vyds has to start on Saturday for me, Wood will be fatigued after his air miles, and Matej should be buzzing after his late equaliser at Chelsea, so get him on from the KO, Wood is a great option to bring on in the 2nd half if we're chasing a goal.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Bosscat » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:20 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:16 pm
Vyds has to start on Saturday for me, Wood will be fatigued after his air miles, and Matej should be buzzing after his late equaliser at Chelsea, so get him on from the KO, Wood is a great option to bring on in the 2nd half if we're chasing a goal.
Wood has been in Middle East (Abu Dhabi or Dubai) similar flight times to Cornet on Ivory Coast so hopefully both will be rested enough 🙂

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:22 pm
I watched Norway play the other day, I'd take Solbakken from Bodo Glimt, wide player capable of playing in a 10. Made his international debut and looked very good on the ball. I saw the highlights of Bodo v Roma in the Europa League, Bodo won 6-1 and Solbakken scored 2. I watched the reverse fixture live, Bodo nicked a 2 all draw, Solbakken scored a beauty (the 1st goal in this clip). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaGsQth ... nel=ASRoma
Do they use VAR?

TBH the lad you like was handy.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by tiger76 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:24 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:20 pm
Wood has been in Middle East (Abu Dhabi or Dubai) similar flight times to Cornet on Ivory Coast so hopefully both will be rested enough 🙂
Yep it's not ideal particularly ahead of such a crucial match, but I've no doubt both will be fully assessed on their return.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Down_Rover » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:54 pm

Vydra 10 PL Goals in 92 games, 7 goals for Czech Republic in 45 games
Wood 49 goals in 148 games, 27 goals for NZ in 60 games

Yet Vydra regularly outstrips Wood on player ratings

Explain please

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:58 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:16 pm
Vyds has to start on Saturday for me, Wood will be fatigued after his air miles, and Matej should be buzzing after his late equaliser at Chelsea, so get him on from the KO, Wood is a great option to bring on in the 2nd half if we're chasing a goal.
Absolutely no reason why would shouldn’t start on Saturday.

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Post by Zero » Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:03 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:58 pm
Absolutely no reason why would shouldn’t start on Saturday.
Have you ever seen Burnley play?

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Rileybobs » Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:05 pm

Zero wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:03 pm
Have you ever seen Burnley play?
Once or twice, why?

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:56 am

bobinho wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:59 pm
No there won’t.

No they won’t.

Other than that, excellent summary.

Thanks for taking the time to reply with such insight.

Sadly on this occasion from someone who seemed very reluctant to accept the P word as racist, I will choose to ignore.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by bobinho » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:56 pm

Firstly, you haven’t ignored have you? You’ve replied.

Secondly, show me the replies that confirm your original post was correct. You can’t, because there aren’t any. You made it up because you thought it’d be funny, presumably because you aren’t a fan of Vyds.

Thirdly, show me where i have said the P word used to be ok, but now it isn’t. Show me my reluctance to accept it? You can’t, all you can do is refer to my statement that said that I accept the term is racist, and then you assumed I meant something else. People like you just make up your own agenda, then manipulate whatever is said to try to fit into it. You don’t help these causes, you hinder them by trying to find things that arent there. And when you can’t find them, you make up your own ‘truth’.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:59 pm

Slow deep breaths

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Peter Loo » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:59 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:58 pm
You can't score or contribute if you're not chosen !!! Give the lad a break, please.
Spot on.

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Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:08 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:54 pm
Vydra 10 PL Goals in 92 games, 7 goals for Czech Republic in 45 games
Wood 49 goals in 148 games, 27 goals for NZ in 60 games

Yet Vydra regularly outstrips Wood on player ratings

Explain please
NZ fixtures are generally easier
Wood has played more minutes per game
Wood is an out and out striker
Just scoring goals doesn't mean you've played well

Chris Wood has scored more international goals than Jimmy Greaves. Doesn't mean he's a better player

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:30 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:08 pm
NZ fixtures are generally easier
Wood has played more minutes per game
Wood is an out and out striker
Just scoring goals doesn't mean you've played well

Chris Wood has scored more international goals than Jimmy Greaves. Doesn't mean he's a better player
No one is saying Vydra is bad player, just that he very rarely contributes. In a team that struggles to score goals you can’t afford to have passengers.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:52 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:16 pm
Vyds has to start on Saturday for me, Wood will be fatigued after his air miles, and Matej should be buzzing after his late equaliser at Chelsea, so get him on from the KO, Wood is a great option to bring on in the 2nd half if we're chasing a goal.
don't forget they aren't flying in Economy on Dan Air (remember them?!) - Wood would have been in Emirates business or first with lie flat seats, on demand dining etc.

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Down_Rover » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:05 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:08 pm
NZ fixtures are generally easier
Wood has played more minutes per game
Wood is an out and out striker
Just scoring goals doesn't mean you've played well

Chris Wood has scored more international goals than Jimmy Greaves. Doesn't mean he's a better player
https://www.premierleague.com/players/3 ... Wood/stats
https://www.premierleague.com/players/4 ... ydra/stats

More Stats for you to review
Scoring goals is what strikers are there for
I would always pick a tried and tested goal premier league scoring striker over a talented championship striker

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Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:41 pm

Where's Goredaleman?.........he's usually the first to defend his hero!

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Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:15 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:05 pm
https://www.premierleague.com/players/3 ... Wood/stats
https://www.premierleague.com/players/4 ... ydra/stats

More Stats for you to review
Scoring goals is what strikers are there for
I would always pick a tried and tested goal premier league scoring striker over a talented championship striker
I'm not sure what this proves???

Goals per minute pretty much exactly the same
Big chances missed per minute: higher for Chris Wood
Chances created per minute: higher for Vydra

My point earlier was that you can't compare their international careers because the opposition pool is completely different. When fit and on form, I'd play them both

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:29 pm

Actually I take back that first point. It's absolute nonsense. Sorry

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Re: Matej Vydra

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:32 pm

I enjoy watching Vydra playing for us because with him in the team we look so much more threatening going forward.
Dyche has not used him as one of his first choice forwards throughout the length of Vydra’s contract.
Great credit to the player that he has never let his motivation and commitment wane

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