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Amazon

Post by conyoviejo » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:16 am

Banning visa credit cards. Seems a strange decision..

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:21 am

Pushing people towards their own "Platinum" card, I suspect.

And why platinum, plastic is so much cheaper ;)

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Re: Amazon

Post by martin_p » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:37 am

This’ll be because Visa raised their card charges for U.K. issued cards when the EU charge cap no longer applied after Brexit.

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Re: Amazon

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:39 am

martin_p wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:37 am
This’ll be because Visa raised their card charges for U.K. issued cards when the EU charge cap no longer applied after Brexit.
You've just killed the thread

You should know by now that telling people what is happening as a consequence of their decisions if it mentions the "B" word is verboten!
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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:45 am

To keep the thread going...
Why do people use Amazon?

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Re: Amazon

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:47 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:45 am
To keep the thread going...
Why do people use Amazon?
Convenience for me BB

We don't live in a town, and run a business from our house, so anything that goes wrong we need asap

Amazon is great for that

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Re: Amazon

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:58 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:45 am
To keep the thread going...
Why do people use Amazon?
For shopping reasons, it means I don't need to stand around in queues or have to listen to idiots lashing out at shop workers because the idiots don't understand basic refund rules etc.
I can shop at a time to suit me as well and as I work odd hours and have an odd sleeping pattern, that's great.

More variety, especially for the odd stuff and also things that I simply cannot buy in physical shops anymore.

Films - I don't buy dvds anymore, I watch most of my stuff online, but for those films that aren't available watch as part of Prime/Netflix etc and I enjoy I can buy them on Amazon usually and they're a good price.

I only really need physical shops for clothes (sizes are always different across brands) and food, but even Amazon are offering groceries now.

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:02 am

Yes. It's the giant convenience store for the non-stop shopper.
Won't be long before they are legally offering sex workers :D

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Re: Amazon

Post by claret2018 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:03 am

It delivers stuff quickly, that’s it’s selling point now. It’s not the cheapest, nor does it have the best range, but you can order something today that will almost certainly arrive tomorrow.

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Re: Amazon

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:17 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:45 am
To keep the thread going...
Why do people use Amazon?
We use Amazon all the time it kind of helps us to avoid all the self centered up their own arses people who populate our planet these days ;)

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:26 am

I manage without it, guess I must be self-centered.
TBH I buy a lot of stuff on line, business and pleasure, but just not from Amazon.

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Re: Amazon

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:27 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:26 am
I manage without it, guess I must be self-centered.
TBH I buy a lot of stuff on line, business and pleasure, but just not from Amazon.
Lead times are now really the issue with that

If its cheap, then it will take forever to get here

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Re: Amazon

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:26 am
I manage without it, guess I must be self-centered.
TBH I buy a lot of stuff on line, business and pleasure, but just not from Amazon.
I didn't mean YOU was self centered :lol:

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:34 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:27 am
Lead times are now really the issue with that

If its cheap, then it will take forever to get here
I don't find that to be a problem.
Many of the outlets I use have online stores with next day delivery.
It's often what one could describe as specialist stuff so price isn't an issue.

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:35 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:32 am
I didn't mean YOU was self centered :lol:
But because I AM I thought you did :D

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Re: Amazon

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:39 am

claret2018 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:03 am
It delivers stuff quickly, that’s it’s selling point now. It’s not the cheapest, nor does it have the best range, but you can order something today that will almost certainly arrive tomorrow.
I can remember ordering stuff from my wife's Littlewoods catalogue back in the day,usually took about 3 weeks to come .....more often than not something completely different to what you had ordered :roll: ....Amazon is brilliant .

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Re: Amazon

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:41 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:34 am
I don't find that to be a problem.
Many of the outlets I use have online stores with next day delivery.
It's often what one could describe as specialist stuff so price isn't an issue.
Oh Aye!

*Specialist stuff*

The mind boggles!

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Re: Amazon

Post by martin_p » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:44 am

Back in the day it was pretty much always ‘please allow 28 days for delivery’. Unthinkable now!

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Re: Amazon

Post by Bosscat » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:44 am

I order stuff off Amazon for all the reasons mentioned above ...

I usually find have it delivered next day (Amazon prime account helps and gets us TV stuff, films etc as well) ...

Also shop on E-bay (and sell stuff too) as well as going to the usuals in town ... be that Burnley, Skipton, Keighley wherever ...

If I can save money using Amazon I will shop on there ...

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:41 am
Oh Aye!

*Specialist stuff*

The mind boggles!
Nothing dodgy, I assure you.
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Re: Amazon

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:49 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:48 am
Nothing dodgy, I assure you.
:lol: They all say that!

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Re: Amazon

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:49 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:48 am
Nothing dodgy, I assure you.
Something for the weekend Sir ?

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:50 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:49 am
:lol: They all say that!
I'll send you a catalogue ;)
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Re: Amazon

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:50 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:48 am
Nothing dodgy, I assure you.
Only messing BB

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:56 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:50 am
Only messing BB
I know.

TBH this is a bit of light relief. I'm stuck at home with Covid 19 (can I mention that without being banned) ?
Thankfully not too ill.
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Re: Amazon

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:03 pm

They will still be accepting debit card payments which is what should be used anyway.

Just look at Amazon not encouraging people getting in debt

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Re: Amazon

Post by martin_p » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:09 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:03 pm
They will still be accepting debit card payments which is what should be used anyway.
Yes

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Re: Amazon

Post by Lowbankclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:26 am
I manage without it, guess I must be self-centered.
TBH I buy a lot of stuff on line, business and pleasure, but just not from Amazon.
The great thing about Amazon , if you have Amazon prime is.
When you look for something and it says fulfilled by Amazon, it normally has a delivery date the day after. It arrives the day after.

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Re: Amazon

Post by durhamclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:37 pm

For some reason I always feel uneasy about using my debit card online, much prefer using a credit card for added security and protection, or maybe I am wrong about that.
Amazon will be banning uk issued visa credit cards only but are ok with other credit cards like Mastercard, so maybe I should get one of them as I buy quite a bit from Amazon.

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Re: Amazon

Post by mikeS » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:28 pm

Amazon are only interested in profit and the margins they can eke out of the providers of goods they sell. They're one of the major tax avoiders in this country along with several others. Buying stuff from Amazon with invoices addresses from Luxembourg and Lichtenstein doesn't help our own economy, our own independent retail industry, high streets and shops.
Give Jeff Bezos and his ilk the elbow. Shop local and support our own retail industry.
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Re: Amazon

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:36 pm

I don’t use Amazon massively but do use it. There are a number of good reasons for using them too for me.

If I wish to continue though I will need to change given I use a VISA credit card.

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Re: Amazon

Post by Hipper » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:44 pm

durhamclaret wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:37 pm
For some reason I always feel uneasy about using my debit card online, much prefer using a credit card for added security and protection, or maybe I am wrong about that.
Amazon will be banning uk issued visa credit cards only but are ok with other credit cards like Mastercard, so maybe I should get one of them as I buy quite a bit from Amazon.
My bank changed over from Visa to Mastercard a few years ago. I don't know why.

You do still get guarantees with Debit Cards but they are weaker.

https://www.money.co.uk/current-account ... -cards.htm

I use Amazon because they provide a brilliant service, better then most shops if ordering something. Many online services are excellent for choices and I've rarely had problems.

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Re: Amazon

Post by Hipper » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:36 pm
I don’t use Amazon massively but do use it. There are a number of good reasons for using them too for me.

If I wish to continue though I will need to change given I use a VISA credit card.
Get a Debit Card from your bank. There's no charge as far as I'm aware.

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Re: Amazon

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:59 pm

Hipper wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:46 pm
Get a Debit Card from your bank. There's no charge as far as I'm aware.
I have a debit card but prefer to use a credit card for purchases

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Re: Amazon

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:03 pm

mikeS wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:28 pm
Amazon are only interested in profit and the margins they can eke out of the providers of goods they sell. They're one of the major tax avoiders in this country along with several others. Buying stuff from Amazon with invoices addresses from Luxembourg and Lichtenstein doesn't help our own economy, our own independent retail industry, high streets and shops.
Give Jeff Bezos and his ilk the elbow. Shop local and support our own retail industry.
i'm basically in agreement with this, they are contributing to the ruination of our town centres, though they are far from alone in this.
i also have concerns over the environmental issues, flying goods all over the place and the long distance deliveries by road.
But unless we make conscious efforts to support local businesses then this is what we get

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Re: Amazon

Post by claret2018 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:43 pm

I’ve found the quality of the stuff they sell is generally awful nowadays too, when you buy anything that’s not from a recognised brand.

It’s become more like Wish.com

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Re: Amazon

Post by ClaretDiver » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:49 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:43 pm
I’ve found the quality of the stuff they sell is generally awful nowadays too, when you buy anything that’s not from a recognised brand.

It’s become more like Wish.com
Not true, when searching for a product you are given multiple choices.....therefore up to you.....never had any issues with Amazon other than their use of oversized packaging.....

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Re: Amazon

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:02 pm

mikeS wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:28 pm
Amazon are only interested in profit and the margins they can eke out of the providers of goods they sell. They're one of the major tax avoiders in this country along with several others. Buying stuff from Amazon with invoices addresses from Luxembourg and Lichtenstein doesn't help our own economy, our own independent retail industry, high streets and shops.
Give Jeff Bezos and his ilk the elbow. Shop local and support our own retail industry.
I believe there is a major push now to stop the companies like Amazon from hiding all their profits through the usual legal methods.

Countries have finally woken up to how much they're losing from taxes.
That's why the EU took Ireland to court, they claimed Apple wasn't getting taxed enough and wanted Ireland to charge more.

Shopping locally is all well and good if they have what I want and at a reasonable price.
Invariably it's no to both.

The high street is outdated and that started happening with the rise of edge of town shopping areas years ago, then online shopping became more convenient.
Some shops even say they can't match the online price from their own website, so they're pushing you to buy online.

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Re: Amazon

Post by Buxtonclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:07 pm

ClaretDiver wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:49 pm
Not true, when searching for a product you are given multiple choices.....therefore up to you.....never had any issues with Amazon other than their use of oversized packaging.....
Know what you mean there.
They sometimes beef up the packaging.

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Re: Amazon

Post by pompeyclaret » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:02 pm

Some shops even say they can't match the online price from their own website, so they're pushing you to buy online.
Sports Direct is awful for this. More expensive in store, and only limited stock. Although they now charge for delivery (without the £5 voucher kickback).

Will be interesting to see if VISA back down, revert to lower prices for Amazon. Doubt Amazon will back down, and makes no difference to them I suspect.

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Re: Amazon

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:17 pm

I see Amazon launched their own credit card in conjunction with MasterCard earlier this year....

That would explain the move to stop people using Visa.

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Re: Amazon

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:18 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:17 pm
I see Amazon launched their own credit card in conjunction with MasterCard earlier this year....

That would explain the move to stop people using Visa.
The move to stop using VISA is exactly the same reason Burnley used to charge extra for season tickets if you used a VISA - the cost to them.
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Re: Amazon

Post by claret2018 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:25 pm

I thought the reason for the excess packaging was it makes it easier to transport and load up a van if the boxes are all certain sizes.
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Re: Amazon

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:58 pm

My debit card with Santander was updated recently and this was changed from Visa to Mastercard. Not sure why but this thread has probably explained it.

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Re: Amazon

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:59 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:58 pm
My debit card with Santander was updated recently and this was changed from Visa to Mastercard. Not sure why but this thread has probably explained it.
Debit cards are fine - it’s just VISA credit cards.

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Re: Amazon

Post by dsr » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:06 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:02 pm
I believe there is a major push now to stop the companies like Amazon from hiding all their profits through the usual legal methods.
Based on the last accounts Amazon issued, the proportion of their worldwide profits which were subject to UK tax was very similar to the proportion of their worldwide sales that were subject to UK taxes. I don't think there's much complaint on corporation tax for that year.

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Re: Amazon

Post by dsr » Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:09 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:59 pm
I have a debit card but prefer to use a credit card for purchases
Me too. I've never fancied using a debt card online. At least with a credit card, if there is a fraud it isn't my money that's been stolen and the credit card company has to try to make me pay up. With a debit card fraud, it's my money that's gone and I have to try and get it back from someone else.

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Re: Amazon

Post by BenWickes » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:32 am

We used to use Amazon a lot but realised just how much of it was coming from China. We've made a conscious effort to try to shop local, by that I mean products made/sold at least in the UK.
We do still use it but only if it's necessary and the wife gets her books from there but for example. I was looking for a chess/draughts set and she said 'try Amazon' but I went online and found a bloke who made them in his own workshop down south.
He was genuinely thrilled we chose him and had a hand written note thanking us. The quality and craftsmanship is extraordinary and worth paying a bit more knowing we helped someone in our own country during the pandemic.

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Re: Amazon

Post by The Enclosure » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:39 am

Books and records in a lot of cases can be far cheaper than in shops.In many cases up to 50% cheaper.

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Re: Amazon

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:07 am

It’s just a ploy to negotiate Visa’s transaction rates down.

Visa have already put out a statement that they are continuing negotiations with Amazon and will have a resolution prior to January, which will see users still be able to use their cards on the site.

Amazon will risk losing custom, as folks don’t want the hassle of moving to Mastercard, Amex, etc.

Visa will risk losing fortunes on their transaction charges to Amazon, as everyone purchases through alternatives.

It’s a matter of who blinks first.

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