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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:34 pm

Don’t think undersoil heating can shift huge dumps of snow. Things have changed SO much over the last 50 years. Orange ball and crack on !

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Winstonswhite » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:35 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:31 pm
Under soil heating doesn’t clear snow. It helps prevent sub soil frost.
I wasn’t saying it could- you can play on a snow covered pitch- the pitch must be frozen surely?

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Post by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:36 pm

The criticism of the club on here is an absolute joke.
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Post by jojomk1 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:36 pm

And with Dale Stephens on the bench

Would have been nice to see the new lad get "on the grass"

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:37 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:33 pm
Why?
Sorry the club can't control the weather but hey ho
It’s a bit of snow, snow that’s been forecast. Smacks of us cutting corners and getting caught out.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by jojomk1 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:37 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:35 pm
I wasn’t saying it could- you can play on a snow covered pitch- the pitch must be frozen surely?
You can't play on a snow covered pitch if you can't see the white lines ;)
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Post by elwaclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:38 pm

Final decision was delayed until Spurs team arrived, it sounds like they arrived and didn’t fancy it.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:39 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:28 pm
P!ss take.

Under soil heating must have failed.
Is this just guesswork or has it been confirmed? Not that under soil heating would have cleared the heavy snow.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:39 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:35 pm
I wasn’t saying it could- you can play on a snow covered pitch- the pitch must be frozen surely?
The ref and managers have just explained the heating is on but it’s not costing the snow. The lines would need clearing every 15 minutes but it’s just not safe

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:40 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:38 pm
Final decision was delayed until Spurs team arrived, it sounds like they arrived and didn’t fancy it.
The ref has to discuss it with both managers - bet Conte thought great let’s go home

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:40 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:37 pm
It’s a bit of snow, snow that’s been forecast. Smacks of us cutting corners and getting caught out.
Oh ffs 🤦‍♂️
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:41 pm

This snow if forecast to end very, very shortly.

That pitch is going to be perfectly playable. They could easily have delayed it an hour.

This decision puts a lot of people out of pocket and wastes their time. It is a selfish and cowardly decision.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by taio » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:41 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:38 pm
Final decision was delayed until Spurs team arrived, it sounds like they arrived and didn’t fancy it.
The ref made the decision. No evidence that Spurs influenced his decision. Reported that both teams were willing to give it a go and both managers disappointed but understand the decision made.
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Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:41 pm

Coming down in lumps again. You can’t have the likes of Kane and Son getting cold :lol:

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Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:42 pm

I feel for both sets of fans who don't live locally. That said, we decided at 1.00pm not to bother. The road outside our house isn't far off from being impassable. At least we'll now see the game at a later date.

Going to watch the Chelsea v ManU game with a couple of beers.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by JohnMac » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:42 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:28 pm
P!ss take.

Under soil heating must have failed.
It hasn't because Dyche said it was on. It is there to prevent frost not Snow.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:42 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:41 pm
This snow if forecast to end very, very shortly.

That pitch is going to be perfectly playable. They could easily have delayed it an hour.

This decision puts a lot of people out of pocket and wastes their time. It is a selfish and cowardly decision.
What about the snow falling in the stands? The snow in our garden is already freezing.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:44 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:42 pm
What about the snow falling in the stands? The snow in our garden is already freezing.
What about it?

Wipe it off your seat?

Since when was snow deadly?

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Post by FCBurnley » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:46 pm

Would rather Tarks and Westy miss the Wolves game than today

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Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:46 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:44 pm
What about it?

Wipe it off your seat?

Since when was snow deadly?
No no read what I’ve said. IT’S FREEZING. The snow is turning into I’ve, you know what happens when it freezes. That happens to be a big safety concern to a football club.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Andreshotboots » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:47 pm

What about if there's a medical emergency inside the stadium, like at Newcastle recently?

How would you feel if it was your dad, brother, son or whoever couldn't be treated and rushed to hospital for life saving treatment due to the conditions outside the stadium?

We're all frustrated, but it's a game that's been called off.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:48 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:42 pm
It hasn't because Dyche said it was on. It is there to prevent frost not Snow.
I'm not sure snow would settle on warm ground so fast?

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:48 pm

Andreshotboots wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:47 pm
What about if there's a medical emergency inside the stadium, like at Newcastle recently?

How would you feel if it was your dad, brother, son or whoever couldn't be treated and rushed to hospital for life saving treatment due to the conditions outside the stadium?

We're all frustrated, but it's a game that's been called off.
Stop talking sense Andre. It doesn’t suit this forum.
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Post by burnleymik » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:51 pm

Just seen this on twitter.... brutal :D
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:53 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:46 pm
No no read what I’ve said. IT’S FREEZING. The snow is turning into I’ve, you know what happens when it freezes. That happens to be a big safety concern to a football club.
People just say "safety" these days like that trumps everything.

It's the equivalent of "I couldn't do X because of 'personal reasons' " as if it gives you an automatic free pass. It's cowardly and takes no account of the expense and time people have gone to to get to the game.

I feel especially sorry for the Tottenham supporters who travelled but there will be plenty of Burnley fans who travelled great distances to watch this game.

"IT'S FREEZING", you say? Well guess what? It's winter - it will be cold. That's what it's like in the UK.

Cold weather is not a "safety" issue. It means people should wear appropriate clothes.

They could easily have at least waited an hour to see if the pitch was playable, especially as the forecast is that the sleet and snow is going to end very shortly.

Whoever has made this decision has done so out of a warped sense of risk aversion trumping all other considerations. It's cowardly and unfair on the supporters.

Wait and see what the weather is like at 3pm or 4pm when this game could very, very easily have been played.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:54 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:37 pm
It’s a bit of snow, snow that’s been forecast. Smacks of us cutting corners and getting caught out.
Its not just a bit of snow though is it...

When severe weather warnings are being issued in parts of the country with threat to life then it's only going to get worse in other parts including the north west

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Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:54 pm

The couple from Dallas can join me in a beer

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:56 pm

Problem is that more or less wherever your coming from on my side of Burnley there is a biggish hill to get over. So I suppose safety for vehicles later in the day was a factor in clalling it off. Bars full on Rawtenstall market I noticed. Few Clarets downing some German beer no doubt.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:57 pm

Andreshotboots wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:47 pm
What about if there's a medical emergency inside the stadium, like at Newcastle recently?

How would you feel if it was your dad, brother, son or whoever couldn't be treated and rushed to hospital for life saving treatment due to the conditions outside the stadium?

We're all frustrated, but it's a game that's been called off.
You think ambulances are going to refuse to travel because of a bit of snow?

What if you suffer a health problem when it's snowing at any other time? Do you rush to be within spitting distance of an A&E department every time it snows "just in case"?

This is a ridiculous decision. I'm fuming about this because it's so unnecessary and people think they can safe "due to safety" like it's some kind of magical spell that justifies this ludicrous, cowardly decision.

It's going to put thousands of people out of pocket and waste their time. Whoever made this decision should hang their head in shame.

You watch - that pitch will be perfectly playable and that game could and should have gone ahead today, even if it was delayed for an hour or two.
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Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:57 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:54 pm
Its not just a bit of snow though is it...

When severe weather warnings are being issued in parts of the country with threat to life then it's only going to get worse in other parts including the north west
Forecast to turn to sleet then end very shortly.

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Post by NottsClaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:57 pm

We decided not to risk it this morning, Woodhead Pass still shut from yesterday anyway. Gutted for anyone that tried getting there, it was treacherous in South Yorkshire today.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:59 pm

The temperature is due to drop another degree or two by 5pm, so delaying the game by an hour or two isn't going to help.

You climb on that high horse though Rowls, just try and avoid slipping on the ice.

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:59 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:53 pm
People just say "safety" these days like that trumps everything.

It's the equivalent of "I couldn't do X because of 'personal reasons' " as if it gives you an automatic free pass. It's cowardly and takes no account of the expense and time people have gone to to get to the game.

I feel especially sorry for the Tottenham supporters who travelled but there will be plenty of Burnley fans who travelled great distances to watch this game.

"IT'S FREEZING", you say? Well guess what? It's winter - it will be cold. That's what it's like in the UK.

Cold weather is not a "safety" issue. It means people should wear appropriate clothes.

They could easily have at least waited an hour to see if the pitch was playable, especially as the forecast is that the sleet and snow is going to end very shortly.

Whoever has made this decision has done so out of a warped sense of risk aversion trumping all other considerations. It's cowardly and unfair on the supporters.

Wait and see what the weather is like at 3pm or 4pm when this game could very, very easily have been played.
Unfortunately Rowls this is the world we live. Sorry if its 'OFFENDED' you this particular cancelling!!@

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:59 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:57 pm
Forecast to turn to sleet then end very shortly.
My app is saying snowing till 4pm. Presumably refs don’t have authority to delay games by several hours??

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:54 pm
Its not just a bit of snow though is it...

When severe weather warnings are being issued in parts of the country with threat to life then it's only going to get worse in other parts including the north west
Sever weather warnings, should have called it off days ago then.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:00 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:57 pm
Forecast to turn to sleet then end very shortly.
Temperature is going to drop further throughout the day.
So what happens with the sleet/rain that falls if temperature drops...
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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:00 pm

Not surprised it is called off. Right decision.

I did fancy us today against Spurs but the game though will be rescheduled for Spurs have got their act together with the new manager.
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:01 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:59 pm
Sever weather warnings, should have called it off days ago then.
They were announced yesterday.
You'd probably still moan with a few days notice.

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Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:01 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:00 pm
Temperature is going to drop further throughout the day.
So what happens with the sleet/rain that falls if temperature drops...
BBC weather doesn't have temperatures that are going to cause a pitch with undersoil heating to freeze until well into the evening.

That pitch is going to be perfectly playable.

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Post by DCWat » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:03 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:00 pm
Temperature is going to drop further throughout the day.
So what happens with the sleet/rain that falls if temperature drops...
It’s not forecast to rain / sleet later

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Post by aclaretinstevenage » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:03 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:33 pm

Pretty sure it is the match official and not either club who decide if they play or not. Under soil heating stops the pitch from freezing but it doesn't melt snow as it falls.

That looks pretty unplayable to me, if nothing else but for safety reasons

Can you just stop posting sensible stuff like this when you should be slagging the club off please! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Volvoclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:04 pm

What Rowls doesn't appreciate is that all the players will get very cold when taking the knee.😉
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:05 pm

https://www.premierleague.com/news/299988

About when they make a decision to not allow a game to take place.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:07 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:01 pm
BBC weather doesn't have temperatures that are going to cause a pitch with undersoil heating to freeze until well into the evening.

That pitch is going to be perfectly playable.
You're only focusing on the pitch, not the fans, why is that?
They'll take into consideration the area around the ground for example.

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Post by Andreshotboots » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:07 pm

All these people slagging off the people in authority for calling this game off, are the same type of people who'd be the first on the phone to an injury lawyer should they fall on ice in or around the stadium footprint.

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:09 pm

Some ignorant sods in the South. Asking on the Guardian thread why underground heating hasn't arrived in Burnley yet??? Wish I knew how to reply. Its to save Spurs players and fans getting too cold!!!

Interesting to note that Stephens was a sub.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:05 pm
https://www.premierleague.com/news/299988

About when they make a decision to not allow a game to take place.
That link says games will be cancelled if a referee cannot "guarantee the safety" of the players.

Using this logic we should never ever ever play football at all. Not ever.

This is a cowardly decision and part of a wider cowardice whereby the slightest of risks leads to stupid decisions.
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Post by Sozturf7 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:10 pm

Get over it... E when I were a lad there were umpteen games off every season for't weather.

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:10 pm

If we decided whether games are played based on weather forecasts and what the temp might be we’d barely play between November and February.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:11 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:07 pm
You're only focusing on the pitch, not the fans, why is that?
They'll take into consideration the area around the ground for example.
The fans should take themselves into consideration. You do things like watch the weather forecast or look out of the window before you decide to rock up in shirt and sandals or boots, overcoat, hat & scarf.

The health and safety officer at the club can postpone the match if they think the conditions are dangerous to the general public.

This is not the case today which is why I haven't mentioned it.

Do you always cower indoors when it is cold "just in case"?
Have you never been outside in the snow in your life?

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