MATCH OFF.

[sox8595]

Health and safety does Trump everything, no point arguing about it, it's the way of the world we live in.

[taio]

Only needed somebody to slip and hurt themself, behind Jimmy mac or North stand, and then a claim goes in against the club, and there is people who would. So safety of fans was undoubtably the main reason.

No, the primary reason was the state of the pitch as confirmed by the ref, Dyche and Conte.

[Rowls]

You would have thought it would be easy to communicate a postponement but we knew some time before any announcement, it had been on SSN.

True there was a delay between the decision and our own club communicating it.

But none of this affects the fact it was the wrong decision nor means it would not have been possible.

[Jimscho]

How can anyone defend that decision. Why not delay the game about a couple of hours? Stupidity in the extreme

I repeat where do all the Burnley and Spurs fans go who have arrived in Burnley congregate.Recipe for disaster.

[claptrappers_union]

I was in the stadium from 10am, and I had full view of the pitch. The snow started coming down at around 12ish, that’s when they had people clearing the lines. At 12:45 there was about 30 people shovelling snow off the field and but fighting a losing battle.

[davetheclaret]

If we had played and lost say Cornet or McNeil with an injury the same posters who are saying the game should have gone ahead would be saying we shouldn't have played, its not the 60s anymore, times have changed.

[ChorltonCharlie]

I'd checked out the weather forecast long in advance and thought nobody sensible could call the game off today without at least waiting.

The forecast was available well before the shower started.

Why didn't he just wait? Even if the forecast had been completely wrong we'd know he at least made the consideration.

It was the wrong decision.

As Tony says the forecast said would stop at 3. We all know forecasts aren’t that accurate. Not sure how long you wanted them to wait. They can only go off what they see at the time and even with a delay they have to wait for a sustained break in the weather. Once that happens the players can start to go through a pre-match routine. Going off the forecast that would have been around 3 so would have been 3:30 to 4pm before the game could start.

[RVclaret]

I was in the stadium from 10am, and I had full view of the pitch. Thee snow started coming down at around 12ish, that’s when they had people clearing the lines. At 12:45 there was about 30 people shovelling snow off the field and but fighting a losing battle.

That’s understandable. Point is a delay of 30 - 60 minutes and the pitch would have been perfectly playable.

[arise_sir_charge]

Lancaster portrays himself as an understanding, thoughtful liberal type, one of the ones that say “be kind” etc but he loves joining a pile on on here, as can be seen from his messages on this thread.

[martin_p]

I wasn’t flying.

[joey13]

Remarkably, they've somehow managed to start the 2nd half at Man City.

Amazing isn’t it

[Backofthenet]

Heating been on for three days. The problem was not being able to keep the pitch clear of snow.

I was down there from 12 on foodbank duty, no problem really outside.

Try driving home...

[claptrappers_union]

The conditions outside the stadium was very slippery and the roads where gridlocked - look me an hour to get back to Rawtenstall

[joey13]

If it had been delayed for 1/2 hours as Rowls suggested,some fans could have been sat in freezing and wet conditions for 3/4 hours by the time the game finished.

Oh dear , we can’t have that can we

[ClaretMov]

Oh dear

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[Lancasterclaret]

But he's raising reasonable points for debate without resorting to any insults.

He's not though is he?

Its another one of his "Oh, look at me being all controversial" posts

[Rowls]

I wasn’t flying.

Game was called off by the referee wholly based on pitch conditions.

[jedi_master]

You would have thought it would be easy to communicate a postponement but we knew some time before any announcement, it had been on SSN.

I found this crazy, I had no idea of the delay as I was refreshing the Twitter waiting for the teams (which are usually on an hour before KO). Not a thing on there team wise, I come on UTC and find the match is off.

In the grand scheme of today, not a massive issue - but the lack of information on almost anything going on since the club dispensed with the services of a lot of good people is a real concern. Have we chosen not to replace people or are the new ones just not bothered?

[martin_p]

How can anyone defend that decision. Why not delay the game about a couple of hours? Stupidity in the extreme

Because people make plans. I wouldn’t have been able to hang round for a couple of hours having planned my day around a 2pm kick off.

[martin_p]

Game was called off by the referee wholly based on pitch conditions.

Your picture wasn’t of the pitch either!

[Lancasterclaret]

Radio Five sounded doubtful it was going to be on at around 1 pm

[Rowls]

In the grand scheme of today, not a massive issue - but the lack of information on almost anything going on since the club dispensed with the services of a lot of good people is a real concern. Have we chosen not to replace people or are the new ones just not bothered?

It might not be a big issue "in the grand scheme of things" but a lot of people spend a large proportion of their wages on supporting their team and following them.

Football isn't cheap these days. When wrong decisions like we had today put people out of pocket we should be looking into things and asking why such a bad decision was rushed into.

[taio]

He's not though is he?

Its another one of his "Oh, look at me being all controversial" posts

Of course suggesting a delay is a reasonable point and so not controversial. Several people have made the same point. You have just chosen to target Rowls for unrelated reasons as demonstrated by your list.

[Jimscho]

Oh dear , we can’t have that can we

We are not all superior hard ***** like you.

[Backofthenet]

Unbelievable how many people comment on undersoil heating, totally unaware how it works

[jedi_master]

It might not be a big issue "in the grand scheme of things" but a lot of people spend a large proportion of their wages on supporting their team and following them.

Football isn't cheap these days. When wrong decisions like we had today put people out of pocket we should be looking into things and asking why such a bad decision was rushed into.

I think you have read about a sentence of my post and not bothered reading the rest. I am not talking about the postponement, I’m talking about the lack of communication from the club.

[claptrappers_union]

It can melt frost, but not snow.

[Andreshotboots]

Unbelievable how many people comment on undersoil heating, totally unaware how it works

Exactly. Game would have been off 3 days ago without it due to a frozen pitch..

[Lancasterclaret]

Of course suggesting a delay is a reasonable point and so not controversial. Several people have made the same point. You have just chosen to target Rowls for unrelated reasons as demonstrated by your list.

Its not a reasonable point bearing in mind the weather conditions at the time

And I'm as guilty as charged for thinking Rowls is a wally, and I'm 100% comfortable with getting after him whenever he's being a wally, and using all the times he's been a wally to remind him of when he's been a wally

[NewClaret]

The surrounds were ok and in any case most people were already there. One thing we knew is that the snow was due to stop around 3. It's blue sky now. outside so maybe a delay would have seen us able to play.

Not sure what time it was called off exactly but given it was less than an hour before kick off, the teams had been confirmed, with Collins and Cork in. The full teams are at

https://www.uptheclarets.com/snow-go-at-the-turf

Snow go. Good one CT

I was in Towneley at 1pm and it was coming down like golf balls. I could understand the decision at the time but it’s looking a bad one now.

[jrgbfc]

So where do the fans who have already arrived in Burnley congregate.Do the Spurs fans just sit quietly on their coaches or does it become mayhem in Burnley town centre.

Its not the 1980s. People could have either gone to the ground or gone to the pub. Home and away fans drink at the cricket club every game with no bother.

[FCBurnley]

City pitch was close to unplayable by half time but during half time they totally cleared the snow of the pitch. Great job by ground staff. Can’t imagine temp in MC is much different to Burnley. Game was called off 50 mins before ko

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I see someone suggested a 2hr delay for kick off, so 4pm.
Game finishing close to 6pm.
Anyone who's traveling by train from London most likely wouldn't get home tonight, what would we expect them to do?
Hope to get a hotel somewhere?

[taio]

Its not a reasonable point bearing in mind the weather conditions at the time

And I'm as guilty as charged for thinking Rowls is a wally, and I'm 100% comfortable with getting after him whenever he's being a wally, and using all the times he's been a wally to remind him of when he's been a wally

It is reasonable point because Rowls rightly pointed out at the time without hindsight that the snow would be stopping and once stopped the pitch could have been cleared to enable a slightly delayed kick-off. I pointed out to Rowls that there are other factors that would need to be resolved that supporters don't have to consider. But he still raised very good points and challenge.

Repeatedly calling him a wally is just childish.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think when people who are annoyed have calmed down they will understand that their reactions are down to frustration that the game hasn't been played.

Its not the first time I've had a game cancelled on me about an hour before kick off, and it won't be the last, and the decisions are always taken after analysing all the evidence

Well, I hope so anyway!

[Lancasterclaret]

It is reasonable point because Rowls rightly pointed out at the time without hindsight that the snow would be stopping and once stopped the pitch could have been cleared to enable a slightly delayed kick-off. I pointed out to Rowls that there are other factors that would need to be resolved that supporters don't have to consider. But he still raised very good points and challenge.

Repeatedly calling him a wally is just childish.

Sorry dad

[Lowbankclaret]

It’s not been snowing now for over half an hour. Could have easily kicked off at 3pm.

[randomclaret2]

I havent heard the term " Wally " used for a long time...

[joey13]

We are not all superior hard ***** like you.

Why the personal insult ?

[taio]

I see someone suggested a 2hr delay for kick off, so 4pm.
Game finishing close to 6pm.
Anyone who's traveling by train from London most likely wouldn't get home tonight, what would we expect them to do?
Hope to get a hotel somewhere?

I thought it might take until 4pm if a delay was indeed achievable. Others who were suggesting that a delay would have been the right decision were saying it could have happened quicker e.g. 3pm. They were right and I was wrong - it could've happened more quickly than i thought.

[Lancasterclaret]

I thought it might take until 4pm if a delay was indeed achievable. Others who were suggesting that a delay would have been the right decision were saying it could gave happened quicker e.g. 3pm. They were right and I was wrong - it could've happened more quickly than i thought.

But you were right at the time, and wrong on hindsight

Thats a fairly common occurrence for everyone when they can't predict the future

[RingoMcCartney]

Sorry dad

Reckon that's a first








(not the " sorry " part)

[Devils_Advocate]

But he's raising reasonable points for debate without resorting to any insults.

Some of the points he has raised are fair (as are some from other people that Rowls has been unwilling to consider and discuss) but the way he has expressed them talking about people being cowards and being as much unwilling to engage with anyone else's opinion as some arent with his has made him come across like a petulant child.

He's getting some stick because he hasn't even attempted to have a balanced sensible discussion with anyone with an opinion that differs from his own

[RingoMcCartney]

Lancaster portrays himself as an understanding, thoughtful liberal type, one of the ones that say “be kind” etc but he loves joining a pile on on here, as can be seen from his messages on this thread.

So so true.


Sadly.

[Rowls]

But you were right at the time, and wrong on hindsight

Thats a fairly common occurrence for everyone when they can't predict the future

We can only predict the future with a certain degree of certainty. I'm sure the sun will rise tomorrow but there's always the chance it won't. Other things are less certain, but the weather forecast was near perfect in its accuracy.

What we can always do though is wait for a little bit more time when appropriate.

If the ref had waited 30 minutes or so the match could -and should- have been clear to go ahead. He could have set himself a deadline.

If he'd done any of these things and the match still couldn't go ahead then at least he would have tried to do the right thing by the supporters. He failed to do this and it's clear now that he made a mistake in not doing so.

The supporters were not considered. Many are now out of pocket and have wasted their day.

Your lack of sympathy and empathy here comes across as rather callous to be honest Lancaster.

[RingoMcCartney]

Of course suggesting a delay is a reasonable point and so not controversial. Several people have made the same point. You have just chosen to target Rowls for unrelated reasons as demonstrated by your list.

This.

[Jimscho]

Why the personal insult ?

Why the need for your sarcastic comment in the first place.

[JohnMac]

I'm not sure snow would settle on warm ground so fast?

I don't think the grass would ever be warm enough to stop snow. Leicester have had to stop the game to clear the lines and their heating will be no different.

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[Rowls]

Some of the points he has raised are fair (as are some from other people that Rowls has been unwilling to consider and discuss) but the way he has expressed them talking about people being cowards and being as much unwilling to engage with anyone else's opinion as some arent with his has made him come across like a petulant child.

He's getting some stick because he hasn't even attempted to have a balanced sensible discussion with anyone with an opinion that differs from his own

It was the wrong decision and that is as clear as the sky was at 3pm.

I'm not aware of any points that I've missed but feel free to enlighten me.

[RingoMcCartney]

He's not though is he?

Its another one of his "Oh, look at me being all controversial" posts

Physician, heal thyself......