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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rombald » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:48 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:46 pm
So would the undersoil heating not have melted the snow?

So , do you think it was a bad decision. Absolutely correct one at the time

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:48 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:46 pm
So would the undersoil heating not have melted the snow?
No.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:50 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:47 pm
It isn't..just to you mainly

30 minutes after they called it off , it was still snowing. Buy you wouldn't know that
It's a great view of Burnley from his French château.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:50 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:41 pm
So why didn't those work for us today? Should there have been any snow on the pitch if the undersoil heating was working?
Leisure, have you heard what the ref said as to why the game was called off? He was more bothered about the game constantly being interrupted to clear it, the players actually being safe during play and the safety around the ground. Covers wouldn’t have done anything. Under soil heating doesn’t work on the surface. It works in the subsoil layer

On the safety of others you can only think he’s spoken with safety officers on this.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by BenWickes » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:50 pm

Loving this pic of the boss mind...
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:51 pm

I DO happen to know what the weather was like and we all know the game could have been delayed and gone ahead.

This was premature and it's hurt a lot of people.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:51 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:48 pm
So , do you think it was a bad decision. Absolutely correct one at the time
I haven't made any comment on the actual decision. Just enquiring about our undersoil heating and the use of covers. That allowed?

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:52 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:45 pm
Lots of people on twitter who are experts in the field of undersoil heating stressing that it works to keep the ground from freezing, but it won't stop heavy snowfall making the pitch unplayable

I think the issue was that you couldn't keep the lines clear, rather than the ground being frozen
You don’t need to be an expert on twitter to understand that no undersoil heating would prevent heavy snowfall common sense should tell you that. Nothing on the ground can prevent anything falling from the sky the best you can do is to cover to avoid the exposure, you can call me an expert now or somebody who speaks common sense.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Backofthenet » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:52 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:41 pm
So why didn't those work for us today? Should there have been any snow on the pitch if the undersoil heating was working?
I think you need to read the explanation given by the club, and all the local reporters....... The amount of snow that fell in a short time meant that no heating system would have stopped it. Boden even explained the ground and grass temp, which was way above freezing.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rombald » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:53 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:51 pm
I haven't made any comment on the actual decision. Just enquiring about our undersoil heating and the use of covers. That allowed?
Allowed? Of course. More the way it was being asked.
It doesn't take an expert to understand

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:53 pm

Undersoil heating doesn't melt snow it stops frost forming on the pitch.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:53 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:51 pm
I DO happen to know what the weather was like and we all know the game could have been delayed and gone ahead.

This was premature and it's hurt a lot of people.
No it wasn’t. Logistically it couldn’t. There was no definite time that the conditions would improve

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:54 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:52 pm
You implied that i wasn't there.
Where did I imply that ?
Mind you, you supping since 12 explains a lot.... ;)

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:54 pm

I'm impressed this is still going 10 pages later
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:54 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:48 pm
No.
Can I take it that you're an expert on the abilities of undersoil heating? ;)

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by IanMcL » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:55 pm

What a great day! Drove Salisbury to Oswaldtwistle M65 junction before postponement. Driven back. Got as far as Swindon, car pulls out on dual carriageway, going half my speed. Anchors hammed, wheel turned to avoid smashing into it. Next just down the road, message on screen...tyre pressure very low. I have a hole in tyre!

Now awaiting tow, the ladt 40 miles. Grrr.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:55 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:53 pm
Undersoil heating doesn't melt snow it stops frost forming on the pitch.
OK. So what is the purpose of covers?

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:57 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:54 pm
Can I take it that you're an expert on the abilities of undersoil heating? ;)
No.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:58 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:53 pm
Allowed? Of course. More the way it was being asked.
It doesn't take an expert to understand
And I'm obviously not an expert. So when would covers be used?

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by tiger76 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:54 pm
I'm impressed this is still going 10 pages later
Indeed! some match threads don't reach 10 pages.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rombald » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:59 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:58 pm
And I'm obviously not an expert. So when would covers be used?
Not when they are playing

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rowls » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:00 pm

Sad that so many football fans are kowtowing to the mumbling of "safety concerns" rather than standing up for their fellow supporters.

We all lose out when bad decisions like this are made.

It was a clear sunny sky 30 minutes after the scheduled kick off. The snowfall had become mild and manageable long before then.

This will have cost a lot of people their hard-earned money and it gets brushed away with "safety concerns" when the game could and should have gone ahead.
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Post by NottsClaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:00 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:55 pm
What a great day! Drove Salisbury to Oswaldtwistle M65 junction before postponement. Driven back. Got as far as Swindon, car pulls out on dual carriageway, going half my speed. Anchors hammed, wheel turned to avoid smashing into it. Next just down the road, message on screen...tyre pressure very low. I have a hole in tyre!

Now awaiting tow, the ladt 40 miles. Grrr.
And you've still cried less than someone wanting to watch a stream in France.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:00 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:54 pm
I'm impressed this is still going 10 pages later
Had we played, the post match discussion wouldn't have gone on this long.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Aclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:01 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:55 pm
What a great day! Drove Salisbury to Oswaldtwistle M65 junction before postponement. Driven back. Got as far as Swindon, car pulls out on dual carriageway, going half my speed. Anchors hammed, wheel turned to avoid smashing into it. Next just down the road, message on screen...tyre pressure very low. I have a hole in tyre!

Now awaiting tow, the ladt 40 miles. Grrr.
The things you do and go through to support your team ! I admire your commitment.
Hope you get home ok Ian.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:01 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:59 pm
Not when they are playing
But what about before they are playing and snow is forecast?

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by leelad » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:02 pm

Depending on when the rearranged game takes place, this 'game in hand' on the teams around us could come in useful further down the line...

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:02 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:47 pm
It isn't..just to you mainly

30 minutes after they called it off , it was still snowing. Buy you wouldn't know that
No my friend it had practically stopped by then. I was outside Sainsbury’s then and didn’t need my wipers.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:02 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:58 pm
And I'm obviously not an expert. So when would covers be used?
I think instead of heating. It will help prevent moisture and this frost forming in great depths.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:04 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:02 pm
I think instead of heating. It will help prevent moisture and this frost forming in great depths.
And would it keep snow of the pitch?

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Rombald » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:05 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:01 pm
But what about before they are playing and snow is forecast?
Clearly you think they should have used covers. Fine.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:07 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:05 pm
Clearly you think they should have used covers. Fine.
I'm just posing the question that if we have covers, would they have prevented snow from falling on the pitch?

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Claretincraven » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:07 pm

I think it says a lot for this forum that a post about the match being postponed has gone on far longer than it would had the match been played. Fair does, most of it is the repetitive ramblings of a raving lunatic who will never accept that maybe he hasn’t quite got it right, but it’s a great effort nonetheless.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Andreshotboots » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:07 pm

I'm surprised somebody on here hasn't criticised the club for not plugging in the infrared grass growing lights we use, to melt the snow..

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by tiger76 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:07 pm

leelad wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:02 pm
Depending on when the rearranged game takes place, this 'game in hand' on the teams around us could come in useful further down the line...
True and both Tarks and Westy should be available for the rearranged date.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:08 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:04 pm
And would it keep snow of the pitch?
Well obviously yes but it was snowing from 12 until 14:50. So the covers would have needed to come off possibly around 13:00. They said the pitch filled again within 10 minutes of being cleared. I very much doubt covers would have made any difference.

The issue I have with those calling it a bad decision is a lot are making that call with hindsight.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:09 pm

Why didn't the club plug in the infrared grass growing lights to melt the snow?

eh? EH? EH!
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Davebfc69 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:09 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:02 pm
No my friend it had practically stopped by then. I was outside Sainsbury’s then and didn’t need my wipers.
And 10 mins after that it was snowing again but hey ho , who’s right n who’s wrong 🙈
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Andreshotboots » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:10 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:07 pm
I'm just posing the question that if we have covers, would they have prevented snow from falling on the pitch?
Not enough to make any difference to the postponement no. League rules state they have to be off a certain time before kick off.

The heavy stuff came after this time so we'd have been in exactly the same boat as we were without any covers.
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:11 pm

I think its worth saying that everyone on this thread is gutted that the match didn't go ahead
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:11 pm
I think its worth saying that everyone on this thread is gutted that the match didn't go ahead
Yes and no ....in hindsight if the game had gone ahead, we wouldn't have this thread and it's comedy gold.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Leisure » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:13 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:08 pm
Well obviously yes but it was snowing from 12 until 14:50. So the covers would have needed to come off possibly around 13:00. They said the pitch filled again within 10 minutes of being cleared. I very much doubt covers would have made any difference.

The issue I have with those calling it a bad decision is a lot are making that call with hindsight.
Just for clarity, I haven't called it a bad decision. But snow was clearly forecast but I'm not aware of any actions that the Club took to mitigate this. Maybe they couldn’t but I'm just asking.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:14 pm

I think Rowls stopped being serious about six pages ago but its still good value even if it is contrived anger
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by bf2k » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:18 pm

Leisure wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:13 pm
Just for clarity, I haven't called it a bad decision. But snow was clearly forecast but I'm not aware of any actions that the Club took to mitigate this. Maybe they couldn’t but I'm just asking.
No not saying you have.

I don’t think they could have other than requesting a later kick off time possibly yesterday but not sure that was even possible. Unfortunately I think Mother Nature won today
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:18 pm

He's like our very own Dan Wootton
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by IanMcL » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:21 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:01 pm
The things you do and go through to support your team ! I admire your commitment.
Hope you get home ok Ian.
Appreciate that AClaret.
Normally it is worth it!

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Jimscho » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:21 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:29 pm
Rowls posted the photo about half hour after the scheduled kick off time.
Ok so an hour and half after the game was called off.sorry if I said nearly 2 hours.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by IanMcL » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:25 pm

I assume that any covers would have to ve removed some time before kick off. Not like a cricket cover is it? More like big sheet(s).

Undersoil would no doubt also have an off time.
Burnley snow appears to be very gravy and late coming.

Nonetheless, probably lessons somewhere.
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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Fretters » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:26 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:50 pm
Loving this pic of the boss mind...

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Sean Dyche doesn't get cold. Cold gets Sean Dyche.

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Re: MATCH OFF.

Post by Jimscho » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:28 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:29 pm
The pic was posted at 3:32pm on twitter. The game would have been going ahead even if it kicked off on time. jdrobbo could confirm what time the photo was taken.

The main point has always been, why didn't the referee delay his decision.

Had the kick off been delayed till 3pm this would have the blue sky in the first half.
I am sure the crowd would have loved sitting on the ground for an extra hour in freezing conditions and whilst it was snowing.
I am sure the ref must have known there was going to be blue sky an hour and have after the game was called off.I live about 6 miles from Burnley so know what the weather was like this afternoon.

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