Interesting Burnley stat

[Newcastleclaret93]

Most touches in the opposition penalty area in a Premier League game this season:

Chelsea (vs Burnley) - 54
Man City (vs Burnley) - 52
Leicester (vs Burnley) - 50
Liverpool (vs Burnley) - 50

I find it strange that the four highest games all involved Burnley. What are we doing differently this season that we allow so many touches in our penalty area?

[CnBtruntru]

Most touches in the opposition penalty area in a Premier League game this season:

Chelsea (vs Burnley) - 54
Man City (vs Burnley) - 52
Leicester (vs Burnley) - 50
Liverpool (vs Burnley) - 50

I find it strange that the four highest games all involved Burnley. What are we doing differently this season that we allow so many touches in our penalty area?

Thought it was an odd stat until I realised it was the other team with the touches

[Bosscat]

Heres another Interesting Burnley Stat

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[Newcastleclaret93]

Heres another Interesting Burnley Stat

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Wouldnt say it was negative more interesting. I would have thought we were in the lower side of touches in our penalty area given how we set up. Maybe it is just something I have missed and it has always been high?

[Bosscat]

Wouldnt say it was negative more interesting. I would have thought we were in the lower side of touches in our penalty area given how we set up. Maybe it is just something I have missed and it has always been high?

[warksclaret]

Most touches in the opposition penalty area in a Premier League game this season:

Chelsea (vs Burnley) - 54
Man City (vs Burnley) - 52
Leicester (vs Burnley) - 50
Liverpool (vs Burnley) - 50

I find it strange that the four highest games all involved Burnley. What are we doing differently this season that we allow so many touches in our penalty area?

Its an interesting stat, and one for SD and the coaches to analise. Personally I think there are two factors. Firstly several years ago when the front two were predominantly Barnes & Wood , these two pressed the opposition very strongly, and both are quite physical. More recently the partnership has changed with both Vydra, and Cornet partnering Wood, but neither Cornet and Vydra are as physical as Barnes. By the way I am not advocating thereturn of Barnes, just mentioning an observation.Secondly our midfield has not been significantly refreshed in the past three to four seasons, and collectively have less energy and athleticism to provide the back four more defense and cover

[taio]

Not surprised by this particularly. These are all away games against top teams - 3 of the 4 are the best teams - during which we conceded possession, sat deep inviting them to press high and allowed many shots, while relying on our excellent defensive shape, organisation and resilience.

[Bullabill]

Its an interesting stat, and one for SD and the coaches to analise.

What? Stick up their arses?

[Funkydrummer]

What are we doing differently this season that we allow so many touches in our penalty area?

I think it's mainly due to our midfield being overrun and overpowered in so many games
this season which hasn't, historically, been the case.

[dsr]

If you want to compare it with last year, you need to quote last year's stats. For all I know we might be doing better than last year?

[minnieclaret]

4 teams that do like to pass it around rather than shooting. Looking for the perfect goal.

[Hibsclaret]

Another interesting Burnley stat (which seems to pretty much happen every season in some way)

The games against Newcastle, Villa and Leeds away and Watford at home all take place when the opponent has had at least a days extra rest.

Dyche seemed happy with the Christmas schedule when talking about it the other day, but it is not as much the schedule as the inequality in recovery days compared to the direct opponent (particularly when they are key 6 pointers).

Of the 12 teams playing on Wednesday night this week, there is only one disadvantaged in the next game in terms of recovery times compared to their direct opponent on the following weekend.

[Foshiznik]

This seasons total opposition touches so far are 387.

Last season was 1083. We are currently approximately 31.6% into the season. 31.6% of 1083 is 342.2. Therefore we are slightly ahead of last season. If I understood how to post pictures I’d show you the comparative touches for the whole league

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://amp.sportsmole.co.uk/football/p ... fence.html

Interesting stats on goals against, per game, home/away and in first 15 mins.

In regards to the OP's stats, we are possibly standing off too much and letting them run at us, BUT we only lost 2 of those 4 games and not by large scores, 2-0 both times against City and Liverpool.

[Foshiznik]

Last Seasons opposition touches in area

This season

[Quickenthetempo]

Probably more to do with the fact we defend deeper and the midfield are asked to support the front two more these days.

Have we had more touches in the opposition boxes than usual?

[jojomk1]

Probably more to do with the fact we defend deeper and the midfield are asked to support the front two more these days.

Our midfield just gets progressively slower/less combative with every season

They struggle to set up as an effective defensive unit in front of the back four, now constantly being susceptible to a quick break from the opposition's half

And their attacking prowess in the form of goals is sadly lacking

We are currently hoping that old players like Cork and Stephens will be adequate cover for another oldie, Westwood

[NewClaret]

I’m actually surprised those numbers are so low. 50 or so over 95 minutes of game time means a touch every 2 minutes or so, which doesn’t seem a lot to me, especially when you consider that a good number will be accumulated in individual passages of play.

I’d need to see a comparison of other teams in our half in the corresponding fixtures (baring in mind all were away) to draw any conclusions.

I’d agree with other posters that more is being asked of our midfield in supporting the attack this season. And while we insist on sticking to 4-4-2 away from home against the big teams I think we’ll find that they create a lot of chances against us. I’d like to see us switch to 5 in midfield vs the top teams but suspect our lack of goal scoring midfielders prevents that.

[Quickenthetempo]

Our midfield just gets progressively slower/less combative with every season

They struggle to set up as an effective defensive unit in front of the back four, now constantly being susceptible to a quick break from the opposition's half

And their attacking prowess in the form of goals is sadly lacking

We are currently hoping that old players like Cork and Stephens will be adequate cover for another oldie, Westwood

Our midfield has never been able to compete at Premier league level, especially being outnumbered.

Our recent problems are coming from the CHs being out of position so much and clubs realising we defend so deep if you cut back to the penalty spot area you will have a free shot.
Modern day coaches like CHs to move about though, creating overloads etc but it catches us out.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m actually surprised those numbers are so low. 50 or so over 95 minutes of game time means a touch every 2 minutes or so, which doesn’t seem a lot to me, especially when you consider that a good number will be accumulated in individual passages of play.

I’d need to see a comparison of other teams in our half in the corresponding fixtures (baring in mind all were away) to draw any conclusions.

I’d agree with other posters that more is being asked of our midfield in supporting the attack this season. And while we insist on sticking to 4-4-2 away from home against the big teams I think we’ll find that they create a lot of chances against us. I’d like to see us switch to 5 in midfield vs the top teams but suspect our lack of goal scoring midfielders prevents that.

These are the four highest in the league. For comparison I believe the next highest was Norwich with 45 touches.

[claretonthecoast1882]

These are the four highest in the league. For comparison I believe the next highest was Norwich with 45 touches.

Yet 50% of those game we got a positive result. Shows how stupid it is judging everything in football by stats.

[taio]

These are the four highest in the league. For comparison I believe the next highest was Norwich with 45 touches.

Speaking of Norwich they conceded 17 goals and got zero points in their games against those four teams, albeit their Leicester and Liverpool games were at home. We conceded 7 goals and got two points.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yet 50% of those game we got a positive result. Shows how stupid it is judging everything in football by stats.

We got 2 points from a possible 12 in them fixtures.
I am assuming there is a direct correlation between how many touches opposition players have in your box to league position.

That’s why I’m intrigued to see if this been happening over a number of years or whether this is something new for us this season.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We got 2 points from a possible 12 in them fixtures.
I am assuming there is a direct correlation between how many touches opposition players have in your box to league position.

That’s why I’m intrigued to see if this been happening over a number of years or whether this is something new for us this season.

How many points would you be expecting from those 4 games ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

How many points would you be expecting from those 4 games ?

Depends if it is based on this seasons form or previous.

That’s not really the point of this discussion, the discussion is about what has tactically changed to allow that many touches

[taio]

We got 2 points from a possible 12 in them fixtures.
I am assuming there is a direct correlation between how many touches opposition players have in your box to league position.

That’s why I’m intrigued to see if this been happening over a number of years or whether this is something new for us this season.

If there was a direct correlation I'd suggest we wouldn't be in the premier league. It's similar to deciding league positions based on possession stats which we know would be nonsense.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Depends if it is based on this seasons form or previous.

That’s not really the point of this discussion, the discussion is about what has tactically changed to allow that many touches

I am not really that arsed if some of the best sides in Europe touch the ball just over once every 2 minutes in our area.

I guess if you spend your life looking for odd stats that then compel you to visit a forum and start a negative thread then it is the kind of thing that will make you slightly giddy.

Probably easy if we just put the blame on Brownhill

[Newcastleclaret93]

If there was a direct correlation I'd suggest we wouldn't be in the premier league. It's similar to deciding league positions based on possession stats which we know would be nonsense.

I would argue there definitely is? The top 5 highest stats are held by two of the bottom three?

I will look into it and see if there is any supporting evidence from last season.

I am interested to see if this is new for Burnley or something I have never noticed. I would suggest that this is highest number we have ever conceded in a season on average.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I would argue there definitely is? The top 5 highest stats are held by two of the bottom three?

I will look into it and see if there is any supporting evidence from last season.

I am interested to see if this is new for Burnley or something I have never noticed. I would suggest that this is highest number we have ever conceded in a season on average.

Do you think Newcastle will benefit more from 15 - 20 touches in the penalty box more a game or spending 100m in January ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

I am not really that arsed if some of the best sides in Europe touch the ball just over once every 2 minutes in our area.

I guess if you spend your life looking for odd stats that then compel you to visit a forum and start a negative thread then it is the kind of thing that will make you slightly giddy.

Probably easy if we just put the blame on Brownhill

Not everything slightly against the club is negative. It’s an interesting stat to share and starts a discussion.

Honestly just stop trying to make arguments when there are none to make.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Not everything slightly against the club is negative. It’s an interesting stat to share and starts a discussion.

Honestly just stop trying to make arguments when there are none to make.

Is it a direct correlation that the only things you find interesting are negative stats ?

[taio]

I would argue there definitely is? The top 5 highest stats are held by two of the bottom three?

I will look into it and see if there is any supporting evidence from last season.

I am interested to see if this is new for Burnley or something I have never noticed. I would suggest that this is highest number we have ever conceded in a season on average.

Then we'd be bottom of the league. In fact perhaps that's how the league table should be determined - rather than the result of the actual game. Of course there will be some relationship between stats and league position. And of course our stats will look less favourable currently than in previous seasons - suggest looking at the points column first.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Is it a direct correlation that the only things you find interesting are negative stats ?

Nope, the stat was highlighted on one of the most popular football Twitter pages. I thought it could start an interesting talking point. Clearly I was wrong.

Apologies if it has caused you any kind of anger.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Nope, the stat was highlighted on one of the most popular football Twitter pages. I thought it could start an interesting talking point. Clearly I was wrong.

Apologies if it has caused you any kind of anger.

No anger at all, just pointing out stupid peoples constant desire to be negative.

As you have said though, football to you is all about entertainment not winning so you should be happy that we allow so many touches in own box

[claretonthecoast1882]

Then we'd be bottom of the league. In fact perhaps that's how the league table should be determined - rather than the result of the actual game. Of course there will be some relationship between stats and league position. And of course our stats will look less favourable currently than in previous seasons - suggest looking at the points column first.

Arsenal 0 Burnley 1

Arsenal are awarded the 3 points though due to touching the ball in Burnley's box more

[NewClaret]

These are the four highest in the league. For comparison I believe the next highest was Norwich with 45 touches.

Which fixture though? They need to be comparable (away) fixtures to draw conclusions really.

[dibraidio]

Comparing with last season isn't really going to prove anything. First 25 games last season we had totally different stats to the last 13 and the 12 games this season. What changed at that point? We stopped keeping clean sheets but scored more goals.

[SalisburyClaret]

Shows how poor these top sides are - needing so many touches to score

[Newcastleclaret93]

Another one just popped up.

Burnley have won possession in the final third more times that any other team in the league. Man City are second

[StuffyClaret]

Perhaps if we were known more as a hoofball team, then the ball wouldn't be in our area as much

[boyyanno]

I actually do think it is an interesting stat, not in a negative sense. There could be some positives to pull from this as it also shows that despite a high number of touches we still manage to limit goals against us, so in a way this stat could be debated either way and certainly reflects on the tactics at the club. My own opinion is that teams will likely see us as a team that has big strong defenders so knocking balls in to the box would suit our defense more, hence there is more emphasis on playing the ball around as oppose to crossing it in.

Typically though you've got the usual morons more interested in digging out other posters instead of debating football related matters (which strangely enough is what this board is for).

[Newcastleclaret93]

I actually do think it is an interesting stat, not in a negative sense. There could be some positives to pull from this as it also shows that despite a high number of touches we still manage to limit goals against us, so in a way this stat could be debated either way and certainly reflects on the tactics at the club. My own opinion is that teams will likely see us as a team that has big strong defenders so knocking balls in to the box would suit our defense more, hence there is more emphasis on playing the ball around as oppose to crossing it in.

Typically though you've got the usual morons more interested in digging out other posters instead of debating football related matters (which strangely enough is what this board is for).

I find the second stat about winning possession in the final third very interesting. Shows that we are pressing very effectively

[claretonthecoast1882]

Typically though you've got the usual morons more interested in digging out other posters instead of debating football related matters (which strangely enough is what this board is for).

[boyyanno]

I find the second stat about winning possession in the final third very interesting. Shows that we are pressing very effectively

I do too, and if I'm honest I find it a little surprising as I had felt from watching us that our pressing has been less effective this season over 90 minutes. Stats are to be taken with a pinch of salt but there is a reason coaches and managers use them. I remember a debate I had on here last year about Wood not scoring and someone posted the stats to say that based on the positions he had been getting in that the stats suggested it would be a matter of time before he did- They were proven right and I was wrong. Anyway thanks for posting, it's a good way to further understand the tactics of the club and I certainly don't think that makes it "negative" or "positive": just interesting.

[boyyanno]

You find it funny that you constantly pick on posters for having a different opinion than yourself and posting actual football related stuff do you?

[claretonthecoast1882]

You find it funny that you constantly pick on posters for having a different opinion than yourself and posting actual football related stuff do you?

Simply laughing at you doing exactly the same thing you are crying about love

[AlargeClaret]

For any who haven’t seen the prem table, we’re 2 points adrift in the relegation zone after 1/3 of the season

[Down_Rover]

I find the second stat about winning possession in the final third very interesting. Shows that we are pressing very effectively

It is probably because we are one of very few teams who never play out from the back. Some of our opponents are dreadful at playing out from the back

[Tall Paul]

Another one just popped up.

Burnley have won possession in the final third more times that any other team in the league. Man City are second

Not sure where you've seen that, but it's not quite right. Burnley are third behind Liverpool and Southampton (although having played one fewer game) but ahead of Man City in fourth.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not sure where you've seen that, but it's not quite right. Burnley are third behind Liverpool and Southampton (although having played one fewer game) but ahead of Man City in fourth.

Apologies you are correct I completely miss read the tweet.
This is the tweet from Whoscored.

Burnley have won possession in the attacking third more times (68) than Manchester City (66) in the Premier League this season

And they've played one game fewer...