January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[TheFamilyCat]

Maybe it's a generational thing. Back in the 60s and 70s if a player was sold but hadn't asked for a transfer they got a percentage of the transfer fee. Yes, that was all pre-Bosman - and pre-agents. I've no idea whether those clauses still exist, though I don't think I've seen them mentioned recently.

Burnley had a "wage structure" when Mike Garlick was the Chairman. I'd question whether Alan Pace has stuck with the previous wage structure.

Yes, from what we heard, it took time to do the deal with Lyon and Maxwel Cornet. I imagine there were discussions around the fee to Lyon and the timing of the payment of the fee. I imagine there were also discussions with Maxwel Cornet (and his agent) about moving to Burnley - compared with the alternative that was reported in the media.

I'm not sure about a % of the transfer fee but I thought that if players put in a transfer request they lose out on some sort of 'loyalty bonus' that they would receive if they were sold before their contract expired.

[Tall Paul]

You seem to be in agreement with me that in order to score regularly at Championship level the service to him would need to be far better than it has been this season. Currently our expected Goal Factor (xGF) is currently the second worst in the Premier League.

If reports of Wood suffering a groin strain are true we are really going to struggle for goals in the absence of Cornet. Vydra also has a reported injury concern and Rodriguez hasn't scored a PL goal this season.

What does "expected goal factor" mean?

[ClaretMov]

What does "expected goal factor" mean?

Expected goals (or xG) measures the quality of a chance by calculating the likelihood that it will be scored from a particular position on the pitch during a particular phase of play. This value is based on several factors from before the shot was taken

[Tall Paul]

Expected goals (or xG) measures the quality of a chance by calculating the likelihood that it will be scored from a particular position on the pitch during a particular phase of play. This value is based on several factors from before the shot was taken

I know what expected goals are but I've never heard the term "expected goal factor" before so wondered if it meant something different.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Wood for cash + Gayle. Gayle would easily score as many as Wood in the Championship.

[Terry Cochrane]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/ ... ed--report

[Andreshotboots]

Wood for cash + Gayle. Gayle would easily score as many as Wood in the Championship.

He may well do but as long as we have Dyche in charge a big man up top will always be his preferred choice of striker. Gayle just wouldn't get any service.

[JohnDearyMe]

He may well do but as long as we have Dyche in charge a big man up top will always be his preferred choice of striker. Gayle just wouldn't get any service.

Andre Gray didn't have a problem for us in the championship

[tiger76]

Wood for cash + Gayle. Gayle would easily score as many as Wood in the Championship.

That could be a goer, just looked at Gayle's record in the Championship, he's got 59 in 100 games, with 16 assists to boot, however he is 32, so he wouldn't exactly be one for the future, and surprisingly he's contracted to Newcastle until 2024.

I guess it all comes down to whether Wood wants to go or not, if he does then we need to get the best possible outcome for Burnley out of any deal.

And would Dwight Gayle even want to come to Burnley, I suppose the advantage is we can offer him regular 1st team football, which despite Newcastle's striking woes he's not been getting on Tyneside, or is even likely to get with all their new signings coming through the door.

[Indecisive]

Surely an agent at work here.

A couple of things though…

He hasn’t looked massively happy this year. Was it wolves the other month where he mouthed off at Dyche as he was subbed.

Actually think he would work well for Newcastle, particularly with the supply coming in from trippier. Signing him would also weaken us.

Can’t see it happening though. We aren’t going to sell to our relegation rivals right now, and he’s really not the kind of signing that would go down well with Newcastle fans.

I’m a big fan of Wood and his scoring record for us has been decent. He’s not set the world alight this season though and I wouldn’t be massively shocked if he left in the Summer, regardless of the league we are in.

[Johma]

Surely an agent at work here.

A couple of things though…

He hasn’t looked massively happy this year. Was it wolves the other month where he mouthed off at Dyche as he was subbed.

Actually think he would work well for Newcastle, particularly with the supply coming in from trippier. Signing him would also weaken us.

Can’t see it happening though. We aren’t going to sell to our relegation rivals right now, and he’s really not the kind of signing that would go down well with Newcastle fans.

I’m a big fan of Wood and his scoring record for us has been decent. He’s not set the world alight this season though and I wouldn’t be massively shocked if he left in the Summer, regardless of the league we are in.

His record for goals is similar to their current striker currently sidelined

[nixclaret]

I started following Burnley due to Wood being in the team (I'm from New Zealand) and have always wanted an EPL team to follow but couldn't get into it without some sort of link (most people here follow ManU, Liverpool, etc despite having no links to them at all which I never understood). I used to also loosely follow Blackburn results back in their EPL days too (when they had NZ'der Ryan Nelsen).

With that said, if Wood goes to a relegation rival Newcastle... owned by rich Saudi's... **** that. I'd rather cheer on Barnes/JRod on a zimmer frame in the championship next year.

[Burnleyareback2]

Wouldn’t like till sell anyone to our relegation rivals, but at the same time if the price is right and the money can re-invested then it could make sense.

There should be a good premium tax on any sales to Newcastle.

[mill hill claret]

Why is everyone planning for the championship ..OK we've been poor but to throw the towel in just after Christmas is ridiculous

[Wokingclaret]

Why is everyone planning for the championship ..OK we've been poor but to throw the towel in just after Christmas is ridiculous

Yes but....wakeup

[NewClaret]

With that said, if Wood goes to a relegation rival Newcastle... owned by rich Saudi's... **** that. I'd rather cheer on Barnes/JRod on a zimmer frame in the championship next year.

Good lad. One of us!

[Andreshotboots]

Andre Gray didn't have a problem for us in the championship

True, but we had players in the side then who could actually play him in with decent through balls to utilise his pace.

[jojomk1]

True, but we had players in the side then who could actually play him in with decent through balls to utilise his pace.

We've still got a lot of those same players

Just that they are a lot older and a lot slower

[Vegas Claret]

Looks like Digne is off to Villa

[Paul Waine]

I'm not sure about a % of the transfer fee but I thought that if players put in a transfer request they lose out on some sort of 'loyalty bonus' that they would receive if they were sold before their contract expired.

Hi TFC, are you suggesting that James Tarkowski, for example, will receive a "loyalty bonus" in June, if he hasn't been sold before then?

[RicardoMontalban]

Hi TFC, are you suggesting that James Tarkowski, for example, will receive a "loyalty bonus" in June, if he hasn't been sold before then?

The Football Manager games have a lot to answer for these days. Presuming loyalty bonuses are a thing would that only apply in the case of a sale, rather than walking away at the end of the contract?

[Quicknick]

Why is everyone planning for the championship ..OK we've been poor but to throw the towel in just after Christmas is ridiculous

Agreed. 17 matches in = 21 left = 63 points to fight for.

[Guller Bull]

Why is everyone planning for the championship ..OK we've been poor but to throw the towel in just after Christmas is ridiculous

Some people got new towels for Christmas?

[TheFamilyCat]

Hi TFC, are you suggesting that James Tarkowski, for example, will receive a "loyalty bonus" in June, if he hasn't been sold before then?

I've not really thought about it too much but have seen it given as a reason why players try to avoid putting in transfer requests.

I suppose it would be applicable when a player is sold though rather than at the contract end.

[alboclaret]

Agreed. 17 matches in = 21 left = 63 points to fight for.

That fact that we will probably need at least 25out of them 63 pts to have any chance, is frightening

[ClaretMov]

That fact that we will probably need at least 25out of them 63 pts to have any chance, is frightening

For us to pick up those 25 points from the last 21 games we would have to get on average a combination of 5 win 10 draws and lose just 6 or 6 wins 7 draws and lose 8 or 7 wins 4 draws and lose 10 minimum from the remaining 21 games, and going off our last 21 games of 2 wins and 8 draws and 11 loses, its a bridge to far I'm afraid

[Tall Paul]

That fact that we will probably need at least 25out of them 63 pts to have any chance, is frightening

The fact that Watford and Newcastle need to do the same with fewer games makes it a bit less frightening.

[ClaretMov]

The fact that Watford and Newcastle need to do the same with fewer games makes it a bit less frightening.

Forget Newcastle they will buy themselves out of this, they are just 3 points away from Watford and unlike us and Watford they will replace the deadwood


Bottom 3 will be

Watford
Burnley
Norwich

If we do go down I'd want Newcastle to stay up

[Newcastleclaret93]

Forget Newcastle they will buy themselves out of this, they are just 3 points away from Watford and unlike us and Watford they will replace the deadwood

Bottom 3 will be

Watford
Burnley
Norwich

The next three weeks will give a good indication if we have a chance.

Watford have Newcastle, Burnley and Norwich. If they get around 5 points from that it will make it incredibly difficult for us to close that gap.

[Tall Paul]

Forget Newcastle they will buy themselves out of this, they are just 3 points away from Watford and unlike us and Watford they will replace the deadwood


Bottom 3 will be

Watford
Burnley
Norwich

If we do go down I'd want Newcastle to stay up

Newcastle have a hell of a lot to do and not a lot of games to do it in. They have the worst defence in the league and a manager who has shown no ability to improve that. Yes, they'll spend but we've seen before that spending balloons of money, particularly in a short space of time, doesn't always improve results. They're in the relegation battle for sure.

[alboclaret]

The fact that Watford and Newcastle need to do the same with fewer games makes it a bit less frightening.

Realistically only one of them teams need to do that with current standings. Obviously it looks as though Newcastle will hive themselves the best chance of that

[quoonbeatz]

The next three weeks will give a good indication if we have a chance.

Watford have Newcastle, Burnley and Norwich. If they get around 5 points from that it will make it incredibly difficult for us to close that gap.

What if we get 5 as well?

Anyway, we've got Watford x2, Norwich and Newcastle to play yet.

[Vegas Claret]

what happens if Newcastle, Watford and Norwich replicate their form from the first half of their season ? We could conceivably only require another 16 points to stay up !

[IanMcL]

That fact that we will probably need at least 25out of them 63 pts to have any chance, is frightening

50 nae bother.

[Stayingup]

Just read some comments from Toon fans about this. Typically Wood has done well in a dross team. Scores in a rubbish team. As though they're any good. Admittedly we are very poor this season so far but we've very decent up to now. Hope they get relegated.

[joey13]

Forget Newcastle they will buy themselves out of this, they are just 3 points away from Watford and unlike us and Watford they will replace the deadwood


Bottom 3 will be

Watford
Burnley
Norwich

If we do go down I'd want Newcastle to stay up

Can I ask why you want Newcastle to stay up ?

[Andreshotboots]

Can I ask why you want Newcastle to stay up ?

Without speaking for him I think he might mean if we went down, we don’t want Newcastle to go with us as that would be one of the top 2 championship places gone right away?

[TheOriginalLongsider]

Watford soon. Beat them and we probably go above them and out of bottom 3. I know ! We are crap at the moment and wouldn’t beat anyone. But, they may surprise us if Dyche has the balls to really shake up the team. t the beginning of the season I would dread Wood, Tarkowski and Mee going. Now I’d be quite happy. Maybe not Mee but Tarkowski plays like he’s invincible and Wood plays without conviction.

[Paul Waine]

Without speaking for him I think he might mean if we went down, we don’t want Newcastle to go with us as that would be one of the top 2 championship places gone right away?

But, don't the other two, Norwich and Watford have a lot more recent experience of getting promoted from the Championship that Burnley?

My vote is we go all out, do all we can, compete in every minute of every game, legs, hearts and minds, to make sure that we aren't one of the 3 teams going down when this season comes to the end.

UTC

[ClaretMov]

Without speaking for him I think he might mean if we went down, we don’t want Newcastle to go with us as that would be one of the top 2 championship places gone right away?

Spot on Andreshotboots

[joey13]

Without speaking for him I think he might mean if we went down, we don’t want Newcastle to go with us as that would be one of the top 2 championship places gone right away?

Makes sense

[PremierLeagueClass]

Without speaking for him I think he might mean if we went down, we don’t want Newcastle to go with us as that would be one of the top 2 championship places gone right away?

That occurred to me yesterday. If we go down, we absolutely don’t want to bring Newcastle with us.

[NewClaret]

Newcastle apparently in talks with Hugo Ekitike so looks like we’ve sent them packing and they’ve moved on.

That was exciting for a few hours.

[Spijed]

Newcastle apparently in talks with Hugo Ekitike

Who?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Newcastle apparently in talks with Hugo Ekitike so looks like we’ve sent them packing and they’ve moved on.

That was exciting for a few hours.

Newcastle Journo on Twitter saying Wood has a release clause. That’s where the interest has come from.

[randomclaret2]

Who?

Im guessing he's from Yorkshire

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who?

19 year old striker with 10 goal contributions in 17 games this season for Reim in Ligue 1

[NewClaret]

Newcastle Journo on Twitter saying Wood has a release clause. That’s where the interest has come from.

Does it say how much? £50m hopefully

[Newcastleclaret93]

Does it say how much? £50m hopefully

No apparently they are investigating

[ClaretMov]

Newcastle Journo on Twitter saying Wood has a release clause. That’s where the interest has come from.

Sky sports news Kaveh Solhekol has made some very interesting claims regarding Chris Wood’s future, following interest from Newcastle United.

He insists that Burnley have no interest in selling either him or star centre-back James Tarkowski to a relegation rival, but hints that a potential release clause in Wood’s contract could change things.

Sky Sports reporter claims that there ‘has been some suggestions’ that there is a buyout clause in the 30-year-old’s current deal; meaning Burnley would be powerless to keeping him if we activated it and the player himself was keen to sign.