January 2022 Burnley Transfer Window Rumours - Links - Discussion

[dsr]

I’d no idea he’d gone to QPR on loan, I thought SD might have tried to lure him back. I know a lot won’t agree but I think he’s been missed.

The chances of Newcastle loaning anyone to a relegation rival are somewhere near zero. Or perhaps less!

[CoolClaret]

There are loads of players who contradict that. Di Maria, Coutinho and Ozil for 3. Maradona might be surprised by your assessment too, as might Beckham.

All five of those players are way more proficient with their weaker foot than McNeil is - not to mention are literally leagues apart in terms of talent

[Burnley Ace]

There are loads of players who contradict that. Di Maria, Coutinho and Ozil for 3. Maradona might be surprised by your assessment too, as might Beckham.

McNeil, for all his effort, isn’t even near the quality of any of those players.

[RVclaret]

McNeil, for all his effort, isn’t even near the quality of any of those players.

Nor was anyone suggesting he is. I’d actually say his playing style is similar to Di Maria (clearly not near his level though).

[Sproggy]

All five of those players are way more proficient with their weaker foot than McNeil is - not to mention are literally leagues apart in terms of talent

Arjen Robben. I don't think he even bothered to wear a boot on his right foot.

And a reminder - the challenge is "You can’t be an elite attacking midfielder without master proficiency with both feet".

[Burnley Ace]

Arjen Robben. I don't think he even bothered to wear a boot on his right foot.

And a reminder - the challenge is "You can’t be an elite attacking midfielder without master proficiency with both feet".

Mastering proficiency in both feet would be a start.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Weird isn't it that if someone only uses his right foot it is ignored but left foot isn't.

It comes across like some must look puzzled at players and mutter leffftttttt fooooooot.

It's also the reason why David Jones struggled to win over an element of the fan base due to being left footed.

[Top Claret]

Ramsey not in the Rangers squad for the old firm game against celtic tonight. Glad we didn't get him he would have been weeks away from being premier league fit and a waste of money

[superdimitri]

The chances of Newcastle loaning anyone to a relegation rival are somewhere near zero. Or perhaps less!

If I were Howe I'd personally ring each club and offer him to relegation rivals. He's that bad he'd be an asset to Newcastle more then them.

[ClaretTony]

There isn’t, but we should have a second, third and 4th choice who we then go to, so either we didn’t have that set up and ready to go, or were unwilling to buy anyone.

This is why clubs who have their s*!t together do their business early, so that there’s time to move around. Deadline day is there for scrambling your 3rd target across the line at the last minute so that your squad has the numbers and quality it needs.

The recruitment is just all over the shop, no strategy whatsoever. Why is Pace flying around trying to do deals at the end of the window anyway? That’s not the owners Job, employ someone who knows that inside out. Villa have Purslow, Brighton have Dan Ashworth for instance, experienced operators heading up departments that handle this. Either we don’t have the necessary infrastructure in place behind the scenes, or they ain’t good enough at doing what they do.

The game has moved on both on and off the field in the last few years and we are miles behind on both, the clubs that are doing well, are those setup well in recruitment, strategy, have a direction and technical expertise etc - Villa, Brighton, Brentford, Wolves. Those not doing well are those that really don’t have a clue - Everton, Burnley, Newcastle until recently. It’s not a coincidence that.

It’s criminal what’s happened here, there are many players in the Championship who would improve our first 11 it’s that bad, to just do no business whatsoever is just negligent and akin to throwing in the towel. And replacing your main striker doesn’t count as adding to the squad, especially not when he cost half the price, we don’t get to sit on that high ground I’m afraid.

Totally agree with you on the lack of someone to go and do the deals or the lack of using them. We've got rid of the CEO & the Director of Football since the takeover with no clear suggestion that they are going to be replaced. That's exactly what we need but it seems some get excited because the owner goes and flies out himself.

[RVclaret]

Totally agree with you on the lack of someone to go and do the deals or the lack of using them. We've got rid of the CEO & the Director of Football since the takeover with no clear suggestion that they are going to be replaced. That's exactly what we need but it seems some get excited because the owner goes and flies out himself.

AP spent a career doing deals on Wall Street so has fancied himself to take on that role here for now. I mean, from what Cornet has said in interviews, he felt like AP going over to see him helped increase his confidence in the move. I do agree though that perhaps someone with PL deal making experience could be looked at.

[ClaretTony]

AP spent a career doing deals on Wall Street so has fancied himself to take on that role here for now. I mean, from what Cornet has said in interviews, he felt like AP going over to see him helped increase his confidence in the move. I do agree though that perhaps someone with PL deal making experience could be looked at.

Doing deals on Wall Street is not signing professional footballers though. It would appear we couldn't shift Rigg quick enough but I do think he needed replacing. Pace has publicly been critical of agents more than once but the likes of Ashworth are experienced in this field. They are important people now at top clubs.

[rob63]

Doing deals on Wall Street is not signing professional footballers though. It would appear we couldn't shift Rigg quick enough but I do think he needed replacing. Pace has publicly been critical of agents more than once but the likes of Ashworth are experienced in this field. They are important people now at top clubs.

Yes, I'm concerned that AP is spreading himself too thinly by tear-arseing round Europe on a solo mission trying to tie up deals. He can't be in two places at once- especially when our rumoured stand-by target was thought to be the lad from Palmeiras, Silva, was it? It's ok for the keyboard managers on here saying, move on to the next one....it's a bit of a schlep from Croatia to Brazil, he may think he's Superman but it's not exactly an hour's travel to get there.

Any idea who the negotiating team consists of Tony, that Pace thinks he has to do it all himself? Surely one of the other directors has some negotiating experience if they're such hot-shot businessmen? Having worked for American companies the one thing I know is they love a job title, surely Vice-President of Player Acquisitions has a nice ring to it?

[ClaretTony]

Yes, I'm concerned that AP is spreading himself too thinly by tear-arseing round Europe on a solo mission trying to tie up deals. He can't be in two places at once- especially when our rumoured stand-by target was thought to be the lad from Palmeiras, Silva, was it? It's ok for the keyboard managers on here saying, move on to the next one....it's a bit of a schlep from Croatia to Brazil, he may think he's Superman but it's not exactly an hour's travel to get there.

Any idea who the negotiating team consists of Tony, that Pace thinks he has to do it all himself? Surely one of the other directors has some negotiating experience if they're such hot-shot businessmen? Having worked for American companies the one thing I know is they love a job title, surely Vice-President of Player Acquisitions has a nice ring to it?

They do love a job title. We have a Chief of Staff now at Burnley and I'm amazed they haven't appointed vice presidents.

I've no idea who is involved now. We have this transfer committee but I suspect Pace & Smith are the two main players in respect of doing the negotiations, but I'm only picking that up from what I've read.

[Mala591]

Surely signing players is easy (isn’t it?):

Alan - ‘We’ll double your current (European/Championship) salary from £25k a week to £50k a week’.

Player - ‘Wow that sounds good, I’ll sign. By the way, will that stay the same if we get relegated?’.

Alan - ‘No, it will be reduced to £25k a week, the same as at your present club’.

Player - ‘Sorry Alan, I’ve changed my mind and I’ve decided to stay put’.


Can anyone see any problem with this strategy?

[tiger76]

Surely signing players is easy (isn’t it?):

Alan - ‘We’ll double your current (European/Championship) salary from £25k a week to £50k a week’.

Player - ‘Wow that sounds good, I’ll sign. By the way, will that stay the same if we get relegated?’.

Alan - ‘No, it will be reduced to £25k a week, the same as at your present club’.

Player - ‘Sorry Alan, I’ve changed my mind and I’ve decided to stay put’.


Can anyone see any problem with this strategy?

I can see even bigger problems if we don't have relegation clauses, this is how several clubs quickly get into deep trouble in the event of dropping.

And it's not always easy to shift high earners on either, as has been experienced by the likes of Stoke and Sunderland to name just 2, but I've no doubt there's plenty of others.

[Nonayforever]

Doing deals on Wall Street is not signing professional footballers though. It would appear we couldn't shift Rigg quick enough but I do think he needed replacing. Pace has publicly been critical of agents more than once but the likes of Ashworth are experienced in this field. They are important people now at top clubs.

Love them or hate them, agents are an essential part of football.
Most are extremely professional companies looking after their clients (players) best interests, I very much doubt a respectable agent touts their players around.
I would think it good business practice for any football club recruitment department to have an excellent relationship with the top agents.

[Long Time Lurker]

Totally agree with you on the lack of someone to go and do the deals or the lack of using them. We've got rid of the CEO & the Director of Football since the takeover with no clear suggestion that they are going to be replaced. That's exactly what we need but it seems some get excited because the owner goes and flies out himself.

I think its a bit bonkers. If I was Pace, sat on a plane, preparing for a last ditch convince the player meeting for the second transfer window in a row, I would be annoyed. I would also be asking myself why this has happened ...... again.

The first time it is done it is a grand gesture that can sway a player, like it did with Cornet. Although no other teams coming in for him probably worked more in our favour.

The second time it happens the impact lessens.

The third time it happens it has become common place. At that point it could start to work against us. We could find that the players we approach turn us down at first, because they don't think we are serious or they don't feel we appreciate them fully.

I can't take the your offer seriously until I get my customary flying visit from the head honcho.

The last comment is only half serious, but it does stand to reason / experience that the more you repeat your grand gestures the less effective they are.

I do think we need a recruitment specialist, who is subservient to the manager. I don't think MIke Rigg ever operated with that subservience in mind when he was here. At least he never did at the other clubs he was at. It was always Technical Director with a Head Coach in the subservient role. If we look at how things were going in the latter years of his tenure, with Dyche apparently out of the recruitment loop, that was the organisational structure we were employing or moving towards, bar the titles and press release.

I think our recruitment department, now that it is combining statistical data with traditional scouting, is improved. However, the people involved will have been influenced by the recent excuse driven " all talk and no trousers " culture that seemed to accompany the appointment of Rigg.

I don't know who to suggest, but I do know that Dan Ashworth is a bad example. Personal opinion and not objective fact, but I think he is only a bit less inept than Rigg was. His first transfer window at Brighton was a complete disaster on the financial and playing fronts.

The amount of money he has spent to perform at a level equal to or below us is embarrassing. He has bought players for a lot of money and then sold them for nothing or close to it or he has paid over the odds fro proven players. What is worse is that there has been very little attention paid towards developing a team that plays together in a cohesive manner towards a specific vision. He has gone from signing a bunch of players that lost Brighton a lot of money to individual stars instead of seamless cogs designed to fit into a working machine.

In terms of achieving best value and performance markers Ashworth's contribution at Brighton should have cost him his job and a repeat of that first window probably would have. Their team is better set up than ours in terms of development candidates and future proofing, but the amount of money they have spent to achieve that simple feat has been astronomical.

The only real money they have made on their transfer dealings has been from Burn. Ben White came through their academy and he was there before Ashworth arrived.

In terms of making a difference and getting things done the reason that Brighton get signings over the line and the reason why they have done more business than us in recent transfer windows is down to the fact that Tony Bloom is pumping huge wads of cash into the club, which Dan Ashworth is happily spending.

[superdimitri]

We need to get Noel Edmonds involved. He knows a deal when he sees one. Plus he's short enough to get away with paying for a childs ticket on the aeroplane.

[Woonderbah]

There does seem to be some talented free agents looking for clubs.. I appreciate they're free agents for a reason and usually have a challenging injury record but could arguably benefit our midfield on a short term deal

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... r-22961801

[KRBFC]

Quick Google shows he's currently being linked to Arsenal with a fee of £58.6m being quoted repeatedly. Interested to hear where you've seen £12m would do it.

£58M

https://twitter.com/carIossvz/status/15 ... cE7ryQ8lmA

[KRBFC]

Which is what's being reported, why would they sell for £12m considering...

He's got 4 and a half years left on his deal.
Recently capped for Spain.
Was signed for £17m a year and a half ago (before being capped for Spain and bagging 12 in 21 this season.

Where have you plucked £12m from?

my ass mate

[Mattster]

my ass mate

Was what was being reported at the time, that's all I said. Those articles are still there if you want to check, you've clearly got a lot of time on your hands

And yet, for your crowing over this now, he has not moved this summer for 12m, has he?

[Mattster]

Was what was being reported at the time, that's all I said. Those articles are still there if you want to check, you've clearly got a lot of time on your hands

And yet, for your crowing over this now, he has not moved this summer for 12m, has he?

Jesus Christ, I forgot this was January. Assumed you were resurrecting something from this Summer, which was pathetic enough in of itself, not January.

He's moving a year later than the window you were linking him as a realistic signing for that fee. Sometimes you've just got to say, what a win for KRBFC

[Quicknick]

WTF is this thread still running for?

[Swizzlestick]

Because people like yourself contribute to it six hours after the last post?

[Quicknick]

Of course, you're right. Whoops! Silly me. Running even longer now.