Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:02 pm

As much as I'm aggrieved like everyone else I don't think it was a foul because the other player wasn't challenging for the ball. Pope caught it and bonked it on his noggin. Not much he could have done. Just an unlucky situation.

We need create more, score more. We've just not been good enough.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:02 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:01 pm
Not relevant to be thinking in terms of "x fell on y"

Relevant rule is "law 12" which is as unambiguous as possible.

It's a foul.

VAR should be informing the referee to disallow.

Pundits "opnions" on it are neither here nor there. The law is unambiguous about this being a foul.

Was almost as much contact on Tarkowski as the Newcastle player. It’s a huge mistake from Pope.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:59 pm
He’s got 7 goals in 71 games for us in the competition that matters (league). A lot of sub appearances there, but he misses sitters in those too (3-3 with Palace a very good example) so they’re just as relevant.

To put this into context, James Tarkowski has scored the same amount of league goals in the same seasons Vydra has been here. From centre back. I would also never even think of terming Tarky a ‘goalscoring defender’.

Hardly a fair comparison. Tarko plays every minute of every game when available, Vydra gets the odd 10 minutes here and there.

ALP · Post by **ALP** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:00 pm
He wasn't challenged by an opponent so that extract isnt relevant. Never a foul. Just unfortunate.

100% goal for me, no challenge from their player, and if Pope had to come that far he should have been punching, that type of catch over the back of players is dangerous from risking injury to himself too, as well as the risk of dropping the ball which he did.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:58 pm
From Law 12:

Can you save this for after the game and start a thread on it please cos if we lose we're gonna need something to cheer us up

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:01 pm
Have you seen it? I admit I haven’t, but I’m going off commentary from Phil Bird and also the Sky team - both said Pope had it in 2 hands and was challenged in the air. I’ll reserve judgement then till I’ve seen it

I haven't seen it.
But I would say that Nick Pope's form has dropped, I'd say since his last England squad.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:01 pm
Not relevant to be thinking in terms of "x fell on y"

Relevant rule is "law 12" which is as unambiguous as possible.

It's a foul.

VAR should be informing the referee to disallow.

Pundits "opnions" on it are neither here nor there. The law is unambiguous about this being a foul.

Careful Rowls, don't bring facts into the matter, some people will get upset with you.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:04 pm

No foul on Pope imo. Huge miss by Vydra. Cornet injury a massive loss.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:04 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:59 pm
He’s got 7 goals in 71 games for us in the competition that matters (league). A lot of sub appearances there, but he misses sitters in those too (3-3 with Palace a very good example) so they’re just as relevant.

To put this into context, James Tarkowski has scored the same amount of league goals in the same seasons Vydra has been here. From centre back. I would also never even think of terming Tarky a ‘goalscoring defender’.

The problem is, the sitters people are picking out have been in the dying embers of recent games when he has featured for minutes. Im having a hard time slagging Vydra when he's bound not to be as sharp as he should be. He needs a run of games, not ten minutes where we expect him to convert the winning chance every week. I appreciate there is a balance and he has to prove himself by scoring to get in the team but personally think Wood has been disappointing so far this season. At least Vydra is getting into positions to get chances, something I'm struggling to say about anyone else bar Cornet.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:04 pm

HT score says 1-0
Let's just concentrate on reversing that

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:05 pm

scouseclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm
Hardly a fair comparison. Tarko plays every minute of every game when available, Vydra gets the odd 10 minutes here and there.

I think it’s very fair, one is a centre forward. If you want me to compare him against our strikers for goals it would only look worse for him!

As I say, he misses sitters when he’s a sub - it’s all relevant. Vydra is great to watch but the reason he has had a poor career at this level but been lethal in the Championship seems pretty clear to me.

Longsidebovril · Post by **Longsidebovril** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:05 pm

Anyway. I’m having some Vimto.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:05 pm

Yeah sadly there isn't a challenge although we have seen those given as free kicks plenty of times.

We had that goal disallowed at Everton because pickford came right out and Wood was judged to be interfering

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:06 pm

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:00 pm
He does far more than control the ball.

He finds the right space, makes excellent runs and has a deft first touch.

Vydra does everything right apart from the most important aspect of actually sticking the ball in the net, and this is why he rarely starts.

Although if Cornet is our for a lengthy spell he might well get a decent run now.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:07 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:01 pm
Have you seen it? I admit I haven’t, but I’m going off commentary from Phil Bird and also the Sky team - both said Pope had it in 2 hands and was challenged in the air. I’ll reserve judgement then till I’ve seen it

Zero challenge mate, their player is stood with his back to goal and is landed on

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:08 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pm
Careful Rowls, don't bring facts into the matter, some people will get upset with you.

Unfortunately the facts, as you put it, aren't relevant to what happened. There was no challenge by the opponent

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:08 pm

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:02 pm
McNeil 1 assist in 15 games. Works really hard defensively but surely his best asset is going forward and getting great crosses in. Has Dyche changed him to a defender ?

I’ve reached the conclusion that McNeil lacks the pace to be a truly effective winger at this level. How many times does he end up checking back when he’s got open pitch ahead of him?

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:09 pm

scouseclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:08 pm
I’ve reached the conclusion that McNeil lacks the pace to be a truly effective winger at this level. How many times does he end up checking back when he’s got open pitch ahead of him?

Dyche has successfully converted him into a left back.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:09 pm

Chris wood is playing like Dele Adebola

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:09 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:05 pm
I think it’s very fair, one is a centre forward. If you want me to compare him against our strikers for goals it would only look worse for him!

As I say, he misses sitters when he’s a sub - it’s all relevant. Vydra is great to watch but the reason he has had a poor career at this level but been lethal in the Championship seems pretty clear to me.

Again, people judging Vydra for the one chance he might get per week in ten mins at the end of the game, is not fair. You do realise we have two other strikers playing for 80-90minutes, yet its always Vydra's once chance that costs us?! Give over.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:10 pm

scouseclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:08 pm
I’ve reached the conclusion that McNeil lacks the pace to be a truly effective winger at this level. How many times does he end up checking back when he’s got open pitch ahead of him?

True. He hasn’t come on at all. Super balance and ball control but nothing comes from it.

Newchurch Claret · Post by **Newchurch Claret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:11 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:09 pm
Chris wood is playing like Dele Adebola

Now, now. He’s not THAT good!

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:12 pm

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:09 pm
Again, people judging Vydra for the one chance he might get per week in ten mins at the end of the game, is not fair. You do realise we have two other strikers playing for 80-90minutes, yet its always Vydra's once chance that costs us?! Give over.

Fully accept he isn’t alone in culpability, we have a lot of problems going forward. Even more if Cornet is badly hurt.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:14 pm

Zlatan wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:01 pm
Have you seen it? I admit I haven’t, but I’m going off commentary from Phil Bird and also the Sky team - both said Pope had it in 2 hands and was challenged in the air. I’ll reserve judgement then till I’ve seen it

Yes there was no challenge, Pope fell on top of a Newcastle player and dropped the ball, the Newcastle player wasn't even looking at Pope nevermind challenging for the ball.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:15 pm

Wilson just took out Collins in mid air. Clear pen for me

ALP · Post by **ALP** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:15 pm

Pope redeemed himself with that save

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:15 pm

Pope save

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:15 pm

Collins collides with y post, he's ok

tally · Post by **tally** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:15 pm

very good from Pope

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:16 pm

I understand the frustration at Vydra missing, but he at least created himself the opportunity. Wood hasn't created anything or even looked a threat.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:16 pm

Good save

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:18 pm

Brereton scored again for them down the road. Out of contract in the summer. Should be throwing money at that.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:18 pm

Decisions going their way now

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:18 pm

We look very deflated, think this could be 3-0

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:19 pm

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:18 pm
We look very deflated, think this could be 3-0

At least we have Jay and Lennon on the bench to come on and change the game.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:20 pm

We're doing our best to **** this one away

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:20 pm

We’re so bad at direct free kicks. The last one I can remember us scoring is Brady against Chelsea and that was about five years ago.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:20 pm

The problem is that when you look at the bench the only "hope" for any change would be Jay

And that's the issue

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:20 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:18 pm
Brereton scored again for them down the road. Out of contract in the summer. Should be throwing money at that.

Not if they pass us on the way up...

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:21 pm

Why didn't Mcneil hit that with his sweet left foot? Perfect position for him.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:22 pm

Free kicks as dire as ever, JBG the culprit this time.

Blyclaret · Post by **Blyclaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:22 pm

Burnley are shocking this season.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:22 pm

Can’t see where we’ll score from.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:22 pm

JBG what was that

Sums us up perfectly

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:22 pm

Embarrassing **** poor football

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:22 pm

******* dreadful

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:23 pm

burnleymik wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:16 pm
I understand the frustration at Vydra missing, but he at least created himself the opportunity. Wood hasn't created anything or even looked a threat.

At last, a voice of reason.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:23 pm

CombatClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:02 pm
Key part here "A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s)."

He wasn't challenged, he fell into an opposition player.

If he isn't "challenging" for the ball as he jumps towards the ball in our penalty box then what exactly is he supposed to be doing as he jumps towards the ball in our penalty box?

But even if he isn't challenging for the ball as he jumps towards the ball in our penalty box, he would then simply be impeding our goalkeeper.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:23 pm

Offensively we are utterly abysmal.

Sadly, should we lose this, I’m probably 80-20 that we’re done this season. And that’s being generous.

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:23 pm

The most annoying thing is everytime we start to progress forward, we suddenly stop, turn and play it backwards. It then ends up being lumped and lost. Come on lads, desperately need these points.