Newcastle United v Burnley match thread
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As much as I'm aggrieved like everyone else I don't think it was a foul because the other player wasn't challenging for the ball. Pope caught it and bonked it on his noggin. Not much he could have done. Just an unlucky situation.
We need create more, score more. We've just not been good enough.
We need create more, score more. We've just not been good enough.
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Was almost as much contact on Tarkowski as the Newcastle player. It’s a huge mistake from Pope.Rowls wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:01 pmNot relevant to be thinking in terms of "x fell on y"
Relevant rule is "law 12" which is as unambiguous as possible.
It's a foul.
VAR should be informing the referee to disallow.
Pundits "opnions" on it are neither here nor there. The law is unambiguous about this being a foul.
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Hardly a fair comparison. Tarko plays every minute of every game when available, Vydra gets the odd 10 minutes here and there.jedi_master wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:59 pmHe’s got 7 goals in 71 games for us in the competition that matters (league). A lot of sub appearances there, but he misses sitters in those too (3-3 with Palace a very good example) so they’re just as relevant.
To put this into context, James Tarkowski has scored the same amount of league goals in the same seasons Vydra has been here. From centre back. I would also never even think of terming Tarky a ‘goalscoring defender’.
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100% goal for me, no challenge from their player, and if Pope had to come that far he should have been punching, that type of catch over the back of players is dangerous from risking injury to himself too, as well as the risk of dropping the ball which he did.
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I haven't seen it.
But I would say that Nick Pope's form has dropped, I'd say since his last England squad.
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Careful Rowls, don't bring facts into the matter, some people will get upset with you.Rowls wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:01 pmNot relevant to be thinking in terms of "x fell on y"
Relevant rule is "law 12" which is as unambiguous as possible.
It's a foul.
VAR should be informing the referee to disallow.
Pundits "opnions" on it are neither here nor there. The law is unambiguous about this being a foul.
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No foul on Pope imo. Huge miss by Vydra. Cornet injury a massive loss.
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The problem is, the sitters people are picking out have been in the dying embers of recent games when he has featured for minutes. Im having a hard time slagging Vydra when he's bound not to be as sharp as he should be. He needs a run of games, not ten minutes where we expect him to convert the winning chance every week. I appreciate there is a balance and he has to prove himself by scoring to get in the team but personally think Wood has been disappointing so far this season. At least Vydra is getting into positions to get chances, something I'm struggling to say about anyone else bar Cornet.jedi_master wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:59 pmHe’s got 7 goals in 71 games for us in the competition that matters (league). A lot of sub appearances there, but he misses sitters in those too (3-3 with Palace a very good example) so they’re just as relevant.
To put this into context, James Tarkowski has scored the same amount of league goals in the same seasons Vydra has been here. From centre back. I would also never even think of terming Tarky a ‘goalscoring defender’.
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HT score says 1-0
Let's just concentrate on reversing that
Let's just concentrate on reversing that
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I think it’s very fair, one is a centre forward. If you want me to compare him against our strikers for goals it would only look worse for him!scouseclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pmHardly a fair comparison. Tarko plays every minute of every game when available, Vydra gets the odd 10 minutes here and there.
As I say, he misses sitters when he’s a sub - it’s all relevant. Vydra is great to watch but the reason he has had a poor career at this level but been lethal in the Championship seems pretty clear to me.
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Anyway. I’m having some Vimto.
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Yeah sadly there isn't a challenge although we have seen those given as free kicks plenty of times.
We had that goal disallowed at Everton because pickford came right out and Wood was judged to be interfering
We had that goal disallowed at Everton because pickford came right out and Wood was judged to be interfering
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Vydra does everything right apart from the most important aspect of actually sticking the ball in the net, and this is why he rarely starts.
Although if Cornet is our for a lengthy spell he might well get a decent run now.
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Zero challenge mate, their player is stood with his back to goal and is landed on
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Unfortunately the facts, as you put it, aren't relevant to what happened. There was no challenge by the opponentclaretburns wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:03 pmCareful Rowls, don't bring facts into the matter, some people will get upset with you.
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I’ve reached the conclusion that McNeil lacks the pace to be a truly effective winger at this level. How many times does he end up checking back when he’s got open pitch ahead of him?
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Dyche has successfully converted him into a left back.scouseclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:08 pmI’ve reached the conclusion that McNeil lacks the pace to be a truly effective winger at this level. How many times does he end up checking back when he’s got open pitch ahead of him?
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Chris wood is playing like Dele Adebola
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Again, people judging Vydra for the one chance he might get per week in ten mins at the end of the game, is not fair. You do realise we have two other strikers playing for 80-90minutes, yet its always Vydra's once chance that costs us?! Give over.jedi_master wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:05 pmI think it’s very fair, one is a centre forward. If you want me to compare him against our strikers for goals it would only look worse for him!
As I say, he misses sitters when he’s a sub - it’s all relevant. Vydra is great to watch but the reason he has had a poor career at this level but been lethal in the Championship seems pretty clear to me.
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True. He hasn’t come on at all. Super balance and ball control but nothing comes from it.scouseclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:08 pmI’ve reached the conclusion that McNeil lacks the pace to be a truly effective winger at this level. How many times does he end up checking back when he’s got open pitch ahead of him?
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Fully accept he isn’t alone in culpability, we have a lot of problems going forward. Even more if Cornet is badly hurt.
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Yes there was no challenge, Pope fell on top of a Newcastle player and dropped the ball, the Newcastle player wasn't even looking at Pope nevermind challenging for the ball.
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Wilson just took out Collins in mid air. Clear pen for me
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Pope redeemed himself with that save
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Collins collides with y post, he's ok
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very good from Pope
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I understand the frustration at Vydra missing, but he at least created himself the opportunity. Wood hasn't created anything or even looked a threat.
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Brereton scored again for them down the road. Out of contract in the summer. Should be throwing money at that.
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Decisions going their way now
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We look very deflated, think this could be 3-0
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At least we have Jay and Lennon on the bench to come on and change the game.
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We're doing our best to **** this one away
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We’re so bad at direct free kicks. The last one I can remember us scoring is Brady against Chelsea and that was about five years ago.
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The problem is that when you look at the bench the only "hope" for any change would be Jay
And that's the issue
And that's the issue
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Not if they pass us on the way up...Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:18 pmBrereton scored again for them down the road. Out of contract in the summer. Should be throwing money at that.
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Why didn't Mcneil hit that with his sweet left foot? Perfect position for him.
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Free kicks as dire as ever, JBG the culprit this time.
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Burnley are shocking this season.
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Can’t see where we’ll score from.
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JBG what was that
Sums us up perfectly
Sums us up perfectly
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Embarrassing **** poor football
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******* dreadful
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At last, a voice of reason.burnleymik wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:16 pmI understand the frustration at Vydra missing, but he at least created himself the opportunity. Wood hasn't created anything or even looked a threat.
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If he isn't "challenging" for the ball as he jumps towards the ball in our penalty box then what exactly is he supposed to be doing as he jumps towards the ball in our penalty box?CombatClaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:02 pmKey part here "A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s)."
He wasn't challenged, he fell into an opposition player.
But even if he isn't challenging for the ball as he jumps towards the ball in our penalty box, he would then simply be impeding our goalkeeper.
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Offensively we are utterly abysmal.
Sadly, should we lose this, I’m probably 80-20 that we’re done this season. And that’s being generous.
Sadly, should we lose this, I’m probably 80-20 that we’re done this season. And that’s being generous.
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The most annoying thing is everytime we start to progress forward, we suddenly stop, turn and play it backwards. It then ends up being lumped and lost. Come on lads, desperately need these points.
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