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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by claret2018 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:08 pm

Sell mcneil in January for his own good
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by burnleymik » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:09 pm

West Ham at home next, who just turned over Chelsea. gulp.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:09 pm

MIdfield really woeful today, and Wood looks like a man ready to retire!

We were on top until Cornet went off - tells a story.

Well done Nathan Collins though! He looks up for the fight

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:09 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:07 pm
It's worrying people think that we played ok. That tells its own tale about the football being served up.
We played OK until they scored. We had had the best chances and they looked shaky if a bit of a concern in the break. Once they went in front it totally lifted them and our heads dropped - took till the last 25 before we started to drive back into it
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:09 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:03 pm
You can't be unlucky when off side, its poor positioning
That’s harsh, Jay was fresh on and has not been playing regularly, he was half a yard offside running at full pelt

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by minnieclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:10 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:06 pm
Jesus christ take off those claret tinted glasses
I think his point has sailed over your head.
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:08 pm
What’s happening on Wednesday?
Good point. Shows you the 90 minutes I had. As long as the team don’t show up a week late I don’t mind :D

Probably still a chance to get out of it though, we’re not far behind Watford.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:06 pm
Jesus christ take off those claret tinted glasses
Well done completely missing the point

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:09 pm
That’s harsh, Jay was fresh on and has not been playing regularly, he was half a yard offside running at full pelt
Yes, but offside is offside, it's not a matter of good or bad luck.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:10 pm
I think his point has sailed over your head.
:D

at least someone got it!

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by buzzclarets79 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm

Squad needs a serious overhaul, fortunately lots are out of contract this summer so the opportunity is there. I’d like to see a clear out and get some young and hungry players in for the championship next year.
Sadly I can see some of the OOC players offered deals.

We need to reset, it is the previous transfer windows when we didn’t strengthen that has cost us. A drop to the championship and reset might not be all that bad.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Rowls » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm

Logging off to avoid all the over reactions.
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm

Trouble is we can't really afford to be relegated now. We desperately need to shift the momentum this season.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:56 pm
I'm not watching again for a while now, its death by 1000 cuts every week. Hope we give some of the youngsters a try and prepare for next year. Feeling utterly dogshit.
You’d not believe how far away any of our youngsters are from premier league football, we simply don’t have them, most wouldn’t make league 2

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:13 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm
Logging off to avoid all the over reactions.
Shame you didn't practise that last Sunday.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by JarrowClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:13 pm

Wow today isn’t great and by all accounts not a great performance in the second half, but anyone expecting anything other than a defeat today just doesn’t follow football and the football gods. It was written in the stars that eddies and Newcastles first win would be against us. I have no doubt we will win the next game.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:14 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm
Squad needs a serious overhaul, fortunately lots are out of contract this summer so the opportunity is there. I’d like to see a clear out and get some young and hungry players in for the championship next year.
Sadly I can see some of the OOC players offered deals.

We need to reset, it is the previous transfer windows when we didn’t strengthen that has cost us. A drop to the championship and reset might not be all that bad.
Alan is also not worried about relegation :(

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by burnley007 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:15 pm

I wish I hadn't had to sit through that. It was awful, made worse by sitting amongst the idiot Geordies.
We looked so so bad today. Played football for the last 5 minutes

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by LTUK89 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:15 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm
Logging off to avoid all the over reactions.
Over reactions? That was utter horse **** and we offered nothing against the worst team in the league. The fat lady has started already..
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by burnleymik » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:16 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:13 pm
Wow today isn’t great and by all accounts not a great performance in the second half, but anyone expecting anything other than a defeat today just doesn’t follow football and the football gods. It was written in the stars that eddies and Newcastles first win would be against us. I have no doubt we will win the next game.
I wouldn't count on that with the form West Ham are currently in...

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by tiger76 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:16 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm
Good point. Shows you the 90 minutes I had. As long as the team don’t show up a week late I don’t mind :D

Probably still a chance to get out of it though, we’re not far behind Watford.
We're still in with a chance, but given our lack of victories this season, Watford look like the only other side we might finish above, and that's assuming we can somehow finish above both Newcastle & Norwich which is by no means a given.

Anything we can get against West Ham has to be regarded as a bonus, but the Watford game has to be 3 points now, otherwise we're going to leave ourselves too much to do in the 2nd half of the campaign.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Rombald » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:16 pm

In early December.. ok

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Papabendi » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:17 pm

I think its becoming fairly obvious that we are going down.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:17 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm
You’d not believe how far away any of our youngsters are from premier league football, we simply don’t have them, most wouldn’t make league 2
This has been obvious for a couple of seasons, we are either not capable of bringing young players through or we don't have the raw material to start with.
This is why we have 4 or 5 over thirties sitting on our first team bench.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by joey13 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:17 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:13 pm
Shame you didn't practise that last Sunday.
:lol: :lol:

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:17 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:08 pm
Rightho, time to log off and disappear now all the doom mongers are here
The doom mongers will always appear to be more vociferous if you've been taking Prozac 🤣

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:17 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:08 pm
Rightho, time to log off and disappear now all the doom mongers are here
I think the only positive tonight was Charlie Taylor & Collins again. The rest technically were abysmal.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:17 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:15 pm
I wish I hadn't had to sit through that. It was awful, made worse by sitting amongst the idiot Geordies.
We looked so so bad today. Played football for the last 5 minutes
No. We played pretty well first half. The response from 45 to 70 was the poor thing. I think after today we probably will see Vyds reduced to 3rd striker behind Jay.

But Pope has been alarmingly error prone this season

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by elwaclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:18 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:11 pm
Yes, but offside is offside, it's not a matter of good or bad luck.
That’s my point fraction of a second stuff, I was delighted to see him move so fast. One of those things

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:20 pm

minnieclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:10 pm
I think his point has sailed over your head.
A bit like the Vydra effort 1st half that cleared most supporters heads in that end

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:20 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:18 pm
That’s my point fraction of a second stuff, I was delighted to see him move so fast. One of those things
Fair enough. ;)

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:21 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:18 pm
That’s my point fraction of a second stuff, I was delighted to see him move so fast. One of those things
Hang on, are you suggesting we have a player, in Jay, who actually can move "so fast" ;)

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 pm

Looking forward to the Player Ratings tonight

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by joey13 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:22 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm
Logging off to avoid all the over reactions.
Staying logged on to over react

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Stayingup » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:24 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:05 pm
Cornet going off made an unbelievable difference. We were all over them. Then we gifted them a goal and proceeded to lump it up to wood to not win anything.

I also used to think vyds was a very good player, but he needs games to get goals, and he’s not going to get games unless he gets goals, so he won’t play.
Vydra is a professional who trains four days a week.
He gets into good positions but he is a poor finisher ss seen in the last two.or three games.
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Post by Spijed » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:25 pm

The biggest disappointment for me was that we didn't seem to give it a real good go in the second half.
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Shaggy » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:26 pm

Rombald wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:16 pm
In early December.. ok
The
Side who is bottom of the table at Xmas is almost guaranteed to be relegated. It’s nearly xmas and we are only
off the foot of the table on goal difference.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Rombald » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:28 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:26 pm
The
Side who is bottom of the table at Xmas is almost guaranteed to be relegated. It’s nearly xmas and we are only
off the foot of the table on goal difference.
Guaranteed

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:28 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:12 pm
Logging off to avoid all the over reactions.
Over reactions ???? We've won five game's out of the last 33 league game's, just think about that for a minute

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by warksclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:29 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:28 pm
Over reactions ???? We've won five game's out of the last 33 league game's, just think about that for a minute
And one since beating Fulham in April. Baffles me on the loyalty towards the main starting 11
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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:24 pm
Vydra is a professional who trains four days a week.
He gets into good positions but he is a poor finisher ss seen in the last two.or three games.
It is a pity. His positional play and movement deserve better.
I'm sure goalscoring is a confidence thing; who can give him that confidence, and how?

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Herts Clarets » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 pm

The situation we are in has been coming for years. We have a midfield who are utterly devoid of pace, creativity, the ability to beat a man and the ability to retain the ball or move forwards. None of Cork, Brownhill, Westwood or JBG would even make the squad at any other side in our division, never mind start week in week out.

We are reaping the years of under investment in the area that needed it most in order to make the cash flow and balance sheet more attractive to potential buyers. Sadly when they lift the bonnet on their purchase they find the engine is knackered and they can't afford a new one in order to compete. I think we all know how situations like this end....

Still think these are exciting times Paul Waine?
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:33 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:28 pm
Over reactions ???? We've won five game's out of the last 33 league game's, just think about that for a minute
How many at home is it now this calendar year? 2 so far?
Over-reaction, we're having a laugh!! This was the worst of the lot when you take into account the opposition. Newcastle were absolute garbage & their performance was as bad as ours. But Pope gifted them a goal (always punch when coming out so far into a crowd of people, for exactly that reason of the goal) and they were desperate to hold on and did. They were lucky they came up against us who were just as bad as them!
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:38 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 pm
The situation we are in has been coming for years. We have a midfield who are utterly devoid of pace, creativity, the ability to beat a man and the ability to retain the ball or move forwards. None of Cork, Brownhill, Westwood or JBG would even make the squad at any other side in our division, never mind start week in week out.

We are reaping the years of under investment in the area that needed it most in order to make the cash flow and balance sheet more attractive to potential buyers. Sadly when they lift the bonnet on their purchase they find the engine is knackered and they can't afford a new one in order to compete. I think we all know how situations like this end....

Still think these are exciting times Paul Waine?
TBH I think largely the added years have finally caught up with Jack and Ash (Barnes) but that puts a bigger burden on everyone else and our standing still last season - we simply cut the costs to maximise the attractiveness - has left the new owners a lot to do in a short space.

JBG was pretty good today - was McNeil who was poor. We are struggling for confidence and calmness in the final 3rd and that's down to a failure to upgrade in that area for 2 years

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:40 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 pm
The situation we are in has been coming for years. We have a midfield who are utterly devoid of pace, creativity, the ability to beat a man and the ability to retain the ball or move forwards. None of Cork, Brownhill, Westwood or JBG would even make the squad at any other side in our division, never mind start week in week out.

We are reaping the years of under investment in the area that needed it most in order to make the cash flow and balance sheet more attractive to potential buyers. Sadly when they lift the bonnet on their purchase they find the engine is knackered and they can't afford a new one in order to compete. I think we all know how situations like this end....
?
That's probably about right, TBH.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:41 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:30 pm
The situation we are in has been coming for years. We have a midfield who are utterly devoid of pace, creativity, the ability to beat a man and the ability to retain the ball or move forwards. None of Cork, Brownhill, Westwood or JBG would even make the squad at any other side in our division, never mind start week in week out.

We are reaping the years of under investment in the area that needed it most in order to make the cash flow and balance sheet more attractive to potential buyers. Sadly when they lift the bonnet on their purchase they find the engine is knackered and they can't afford a new one in order to compete. I think we all know how situations like this end....

Still think these are exciting times Paul Waine?
I'm absolutely terrified by the prospect of relegation under ALK.

We'll be lucky if the floodlights are still standing by September 2022. Bardsley will probably get a new contract though.

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by JarrowClaret » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:16 pm
I wouldn't count on that with the form West Ham are currently in...
I don’t count on anything in life and especially not when it comes to Football, I am prepared to be wrong. As it happens I expected nothing against Wolves and nothing today so we are 1 point better off than I thought.

I am going to nick a quote from Tuchel and fit it to us nobody gets relegated after getting beat today and nobody stays up after winning. I expect both these teams to stay up come May maybe by the skin of our teeth though!! ;)
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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by diamondpocket » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:58 pm

JarrowClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:51 pm
I don’t count on anything in life and especially not when it comes to Football, I am prepared to be wrong. As it happens I expected nothing against Wolves and nothing today so we are 1 point better off than I thought.

I am going to nick a quote from Tuchel and fit it to us nobody gets relegated after getting beat today and nobody stays up after winning. I expect both these teams to stay up come May maybe by the skin of our teeth though!! ;)
I'd love to know who you think will go down then!

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:01 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:41 pm
I'm absolutely terrified by the prospect of relegation under ALK.

We'll be lucky if the floodlights are still standing by September 2022. Bardsley will probably get a new contract though.
Only asking,
but were you among those who wanted Mike Garlick out?

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Re: Newcastle United v Burnley match thread

Post by Jamesy » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:01 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:05 pm
Cornet going off made an unbelievable difference. We were all over them. Then we gifted them a goal and proceeded to lump it up to wood to not win anything.

I also used to think vyds was a very good player, but he needs games to get goals, and he’s not going to get games unless he gets goals, so he won’t play.
I agree with you about Vydra, he is a confidence player and does indeed need games to get into his stride. If you looked at today he did see a lot of the ball but it just wasn’t sticking to him and that glaring miss possibly happened because the ball didn’t come down quick enough for him to get over it and it looked too far in front of him.
We were indeed poor today, however if McNeil had just chipped that one into the box at the death instead of shooting from a really tight angle we had three players queuing up. We could have stole a point from a game in which we deserved nothing really against a poor Newcastle team.

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