Vydra

[fanzone]

How many more chances is he going to get before we never see him again, the fine margins Dyche refers to after most games Vydra keeps spooning.

[Lancasterclaret]

Sadly, he's one of those players that get better in peoples minds the less they play

He's a perfectly adequate premier league back up striker but he's just not clinical enough

We are completely reliant on Wood playing well sadly

[Newcastleclaret93]

He is the strangest striker. Sometimes I watch him and think his movement and touch is excellent. The simple fact is he just can’t score goals at this level.

After watching yesterday all I could think is Barnes would have been more effective. At least he can hold the ball up and maybe allow our team to advance up the pitch. Around the 70th minute we were pinned back for about ten minutes with no out ball.

[Lancasterclaret]

Which Barnes though?

The one who was brilliant for a couple of seasons?

He's not the Barnes we have now sadly

The one we have now has been completely sussed by opposition players and referees. and crucially doesn't work as hard as he did and it really shows

I hope he can get back to what he was but I'm not sure he'll be as effective as he used to be

[JohnDearyMe]

Not good enough for the top flight. Could do with his services next season though if/when we get relegated

[Newcastleclaret93]

Which Barnes though?

The one who was brilliant for a couple of seasons?

He's not the Barnes we have now sadly

The one we have now has been completely sussed by opposition players and referees. and crucially doesn't work as hard as he did and it really shows

I hope he can get back to what he was but I'm not sure he'll be as effective as he used to be

I still think he would produce more than any of our other strikers currently. I’m not even referring to goal output just making himself a nuisance and holding the ball up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not good enough for the top flight. Could do with his services next season though if/when we get relegated

He won’t be here next year out of contract in 6 month

[Lancasterclaret]

I still think he would produce more than any of our other strikers currently. I’m not even referring to goal output just making himself a nuisance and holding the ball up.

His game is essentially if he can't hold the ball up, then he wins fouls further up the pitch, and everyone knows that he backs in first and then falls over.

Its very, very, very, very hard to win a free kick when everyone knows (and once you've seen it, its painfully obvious what he does) what you do to win one

If he can somehow avoid doing that, and get back to being the snarling, all action handful that he was, then yes, but we haven't seen that for at least a couple of seasons

[Quickenthetempo]

Vydras been trying to leave since he got here, so you will get your wish in the summer.
He's missed a a couple of chances recently but watch other football matches and far better players do that every week.

It has been a disaster of a move from him to come here, some will say he's not good enough and some will say Dyche doesn't know how to get the best out of him.

He prefers big lumps up front which is a shame. With Vydra, Cornet and McNeil being decent footballers I hoped we could use them to play a better brand of football.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Simply not good enough for this level as his stats show. Woeful yesterday.

[Billyblah]

With the exception of a run of games mid last season (when he partnered Wood and we got the wins that hauled us to safety), Vydra has had to rely on cameo appearances of 5-10 mins which was extended yesterday due to the Cornet injury.
I've had a level of sympathy for him but skying the ball in front of goal yesterday has become a Vydra trademark, though as has been pointed out, he might be dangerous if we are playing Championship football next season.
With regard to Barnes it's all elbows and dives. I can understand why fans of other clubs criticise out style of play. He helped us into the Premier League and was a tremendous signing but is now most definitely Championship standard at best.

[Woodleyclaret]

An excellent striker but the crap service he gets from others is the main reason his goals have dropped off. Chris Wood usually good at playing with Vyds is off at the moment and this isn't helping

[claret2018]

Another player who’s gone backward under Dyche. How long before Cornet gets the flair coached out of him do you think?

[ClaretLoup]

An excellent striker but the crap service he gets from others is the main reason his goals have dropped off.

An excellent striker puts the ball in the net more often than not, with Vydra it's the other way round.

Wood gets the same "crap service" and he has scored 49 EPL goals for Burnley.

[warksclaret]

Simply not good enough for this level as his stats show. Woeful yesterday.

Very poor too when he came on at Wolves

[KRBFC]

Same with Rodriguez, how long are we gonna persist with these awful players? I'd rather see Richardson given a run, we can't win for toffee anyway so what's the difference

[ksrclaret]

I’ve had some real sympathy for Vydra since he’s been here as I don’t think he’s been treated with the same respect as the other strikers by the management team. Being chucked on with 2 minutes of stoppage time remaining, for example, really used to wind me up. When he did get longer he always used to look a real threat for us and gave us something different.

I’m afraid those misses against Palace a few weeks ago and Newcastle yesterday have left me feeling cold now though. They were terrible misses. I think when his contact runs out this summer we should both move on regardless of which division we find ourselves in.

[warksclaret]

Sadly, he's one of those players that get better in peoples minds the less they play

He's a perfectly adequate premier league back up striker but he's just not clinical enough

We are completely reliant on Wood playing well sadly

Your first line is absolutely spot on

[Goobs]

Same with Rodriguez, how long are we gonna persist with these awful players? I'd rather see Richardson given a run, we can't win for toffee anyway so what's the difference

Not sure an injured kid is the answer to our problems.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Same with Rodriguez, how long are we gonna persist with these awful players? I'd rather see Richardson given a run, we can't win for toffee anyway so what's the difference

You must be desperate he’s out for 6 months

[taio]

Same with Rodriguez, how long are we gonna persist with these awful players? I'd rather see Richardson given a run, we can't win for toffee anyway so what's the difference

That might be a bit difficult but in any case it's bizarre you can't see the difference

[ksrclaret]

Same with Rodriguez, how long are we gonna persist with these awful players? I'd rather see Richardson given a run, we can't win for toffee anyway so what's the difference

I thought one of yours things KRBFC was that you never criticised individual players?

[duncandisorderly]

Are the goals bigger in the championship? Because missing the target is missing the target, no matter what division you play in.

[BleedingClaret]

A striker needs 10 starts in a row to be at full sharpness
Yesterday Vydra got into a goal scoring position and fluffed his lines, in the same game the other strikers didn’t find the space.
Also Vydra, like Mee in defence makes others around him play better
His breaking of the line gets Wood on side

[tiger76]

Only Wood of our strikers has shown they genuinely belong at this level, and he's woefully out of nick for a variety of reasons.

Barnes, Jay Rod and Vydra can all go for me in June no matter what league we're in, surely there's a couple of young gems in the lower leagues, or dare I suggest it even non-league who could offer us some dynamism to our attacking play, after all that's where the likes of Austin & Ings emerged from to name just 2.

[ClaretLoup]

You get more chances in the Championship, and if you are playing for one of the top teams the defences you are up against are potentially third tier set ups so a striker can fill his boots.

Plainly finishing wise, Vydra has not been able to make the step up to be a EPL striker. It's a pity because he is good at finding space in the box. His set up for the miss vs Palace was also sublime.

[Devils_Advocate]

Vydra like both Barnes and Jay is not good enough at this level but he is the best of the three. In his defence for yesterday it his fantastic skill, speed of thought and touch (that none of the other 3 strikers would have even seen) that created the position that led to the disallowed goal.

He does make things happen in terms of getting himself and the team in good attacking situations but the way Burnley set up with a safety first approach in midfield our strikers need to hit the net and I just dont think he's quite there at this level

Its funny how some on here view Vydra as being a player who gets let off criticism compared to others but viewing from a neutral position there is one set of people who hammer and criticise Vydra way more than they would do for Barnes or Wood and then there is another lot who go to ridiculous lengths to defend him and blame others, The truth lies somewhere in-between

[BleedingClaret]

Vydra like both Barnes and Jay is not good enough at this level but he is the best of the three. In his defence for yesterday it his fantastic skill, speed of thought and touch (that none of the other 3 strikers would have even seen) that created the position that led to the disallowed goal.

He does make things happen in terms of getting himself and the team in good attacking situations but the way Burnley set up with a safety first approach in midfield our strikers need to hit the net and I just dont think he's quite there at this level

Its funny how some on here view Vydra as being a player who gets let off criticism compared to others but viewing from a neutral position there is one set of people who hammer and criticise Vydra way more than they would do for Barnes or Wood and then there is another lot who go to ridiculous lengths to defend him and blame others, The truth lies somewhere in-between

Good post

Even though I may be one of the latter mentioned Vyds lovers

[warksclaret]

Vydra like both Barnes and Jay is not good enough at this level but he is the best of the three. In his defence for yesterday it his fantastic skill, speed of thought and touch (that none of the other 3 strikers would have even seen) that created the position that led to the disallowed goal.

He does make things happen in terms of getting himself and the team in good attacking situations but the way Burnley set up with a safety first approach in midfield our strikers need to hit the net and I just dont think he's quite there at this level

Its funny how some on here view Vydra as being a player who gets let off criticism compared to others but viewing from a neutral position there is one set of people who hammer and criticise Vydra way more than they would do for Barnes or Wood and then there is another lot who go to ridiculous lengths to defend him and blame others, The truth lies somewhere in-between

His confidence might well be affected by the limited number of minutes he has played this season

[Devils_Advocate]

Good post

Even though I may be one of the latter mentioned Vyds lovers

Its all about opinions and its fair enough that some are massive fans (like yourself) and some dont rate him at all. What I dont like is this false narrative thats creeping in on here as if he's treated as some kind of golden boy when Id say there's equal amounts of posters who cant wait to have a go just as there are plenty who will forever let him off the hook.

[Jamesy]

With Vydra it’s a confidence thing as it is with many strikers. A prolonged run in the team would help him. Yes he missed a perceived sitter yesterday and on a few occasions the ball didn’t stick to him. If you saw the Wolves match midweek he had two chances where I thought he should have pulled the trigger in front of goal. Instead he elected to pass poorly across the box.
Dwight did the opposite yesterday near the end of the game where he elected to shoot when the shot really wasn’t on and we had three players queuing on edge of 6 yard box. I still think Vydra is a decent player and I am not sure Cornets best position is that of an out and out striker. If he ever reaches full fitness where he can put the hard yards in, he could be an effective attacking midfielder with several wonder goals to boot.

[Dark Cloud]

Pace, movement, touch, awareness! The perfect striker. Oh, hang on he misses FAR too many very decent chances and he missed another right on half time yesterday when he'd done brilliantly to find the space, but didn't even hit the target. He's not good enough sadly, as he's paid to score and he doesn't score enough. Ironically, Wood is far less mobile and lumbers around like a sometime infuriating cart horse much of the time, yet his scoring record is miles better.

[Elizabeth]

Yes he’s not the answer to our lack of goals , as unfortunately are any of our 4 midfielders which is more of a serious problem for me

[Jamesy]

Pace, movement, touch, awareness! The perfect striker. Oh, hang on he misses FAR too many very decent chances and he missed another right on half time yesterday when he'd done brilliantly to find the space, but didn't even hit the target. He's not good enough sadly, as he's paid to score and he doesn't score enough. Ironically, Wood is far less mobile and lumbers around like a sometime infuriating cart horse much of the time, yet his scoring record is miles better.

We have got the strikers our budget allows us to have. All of them have deficiencies in their game, that’s why they are playing for Burnley.

[BleedingClaret]

Its all about opinions and its fair enough that some are massive fans (like yourself) and some dont rate him at all. What I dont like is this false narrative thats creeping in on here as if he's treated as some kind of golden boy when Id say there's equal amounts of posters who cant wait to have a go just as there are plenty who will forever let him off the hook.

I actually think it’s as much about Dyche as it is Vydra

It’s about the type of players that Dyche favours and plays and those he doesn’t

Vydra is the epitome of the latter

Brownhill for example probably the former

More about attitude effort and work rate than quality

[Ric_C]

One of our problems at the moment

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... sed?se=418

[Devils_Advocate]

I actually think it’s as much about Dyche as it is Vydra

It’s about the type of players that Dyche favours and plays and those he doesn’t

Vydra is the epitome of the latter

Brownhill for example probably the former

More about attitude effort and work rate than quality

I understand what you're saying and I much prefer the type of player Vydra is compared to a Barnes type player but do you think Vydra would start for any other Premier league club? If the answer is no then its probably more to do with Vydra than Dyche (although your point about the type of player Dyche wants and trusts is correct in my opinion).

[Devils_Advocate]

One of our problems at the moment

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... sed?se=418

Same stats at player level for big chances missed

Chris Wood - 4
James Tarkowski - 3
Jóhann Gudmundsson - 2
Ben Mee - 2
Ashley Barnes - 1
Maxwel Cornet - 1
Dwight McNeil - 1
Matej Vydra - 1

[BleedingClaret]

I understand what you're saying and I much prefer the type of player Vydra is compared to a Barnes type player but do you think Vydra would start for any other Premier league club? If the answer is no then its probably more to do with Vydra than Dyche (although your point about the type of player Dyche wants and trusts is correct in my opinion).

It’s a difficult 1 on whether Vydra would play for other sides

I think, strangely, the better the team the more likely he could play a role, but he wouldn’t get into those squads in the first place

But, if I’m honest do I think he would start for most teams probably not, but that said Norwich have Pukki & Cantwell Newcastle have Wilson & St Maximum

We have very little consistent quality
So I do think he should start for us, if only in that he stretches defences and keeps Wood onside

I don’t think he’s quite a premier league striker but the argument can be made that we’re not a premier league squad

[NewClaret]

Good movement, poor finisher.

I’d been hoping we might renew him, but IF we stay up, I’d say we might be better freeing up a wage bill and looking for a better finisher.

[Devils_Advocate]

It’s a difficult 1 on whether Vydra would play for other sides

I think, strangely, the better the team the more likely he could play a role, but he wouldn’t get into those squads in the first place

But, if I’m honest do I think he would start for most teams probably not, but that said Norwich have Pukki & Cantwell Newcastle have Wilson & St Maximum

We have very little consistent quality
So I do think he should start for us, if only in that he stretches defences and keeps Wood onside

I don’t think he’s quite a premier league striker but the argument can be made that we’re not a premier league squad

You make some good, fair and balanced points and its been nice to have a sensible and productive discussion.

[KRBFC]

You must be desperate he’s out for 6 months

Where has this been reported? I knew he was out injured initially wasn't sure how long for though.

[IanMcL]

Jay Rodriguez looked sharp and committed.

[SouthLondonexile]

There’s a wonderful saying - and it applies to Matej Vydra - use it or lose it. There have been many times this season and in previous seasons where Vydra has been given the difficult task to turn the teams’ fortunes around in a few minutes. How often have you seen people look at their watches at 60 minutes and ask the question, surely he needs to come on now. He could have been a game changer, I’m not so sure now.

[Tall Paul]

One of our problems at the moment

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... sed?se=418

Hmm, I'm not sure that's as big a problem as it seems, just look at the teams at the top of that list. It's encouraging that we're creating big chances and if that continues I'm sure the results will improve.

It's defensively we seem to have struggled more than usual this season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Hmm, I'm not sure that's as big a problem as it seems, just look at the teams at the top of that list. It's encouraging that we're creating big chances and if that continues I'm sure the results will improve.

It's defensively we seem to have struggled more than usual this season.

Arnt we towards the top of this chart every season?

I know Wood was certainly up there last season

[RMutt]

Hmm, I'm not sure that's as big a problem as it seems, just look at the teams at the top of that list. It's encouraging that we're creating big chances and if that continues I'm sure the results will improve.

It's defensively we seem to have struggled more than usual this season.

It’s a problem if the teams above us in that table are creating many more chances, which I suspect they are.

[Tall Paul]

It’s a problem if the teams above us in that table are creating many more chances, which I suspect they are.

The table needs more context then. Looking at it in isolation, it appears to have a fairly high correlation with the league table with Burnley seemingly an anomoly.

[Tall Paul]

It's strange, I can't find a stat for big chances created by team. The PL site has a big chances created by player stat and when filtered by Bunley players the total is 18, so it looks like we've scored just 3 from 18.

That seemed really low so I had a look at Arsenal (just because they're first alphabetically) and according to the PL stats their players have created 12 big chances between them but Arsenal have missed 15, so something isn't right.

[beddie]

In his defence, we’ve given him few opportunities to start, we certainly don’t play to his strengths with this long ball. He’s never really had another ball to feet player of quality along side of him. Dyche doesn’t appear to trust him. In regard to the miss at Newcastle it wasn’t straight forward, the ball wouldn’t come down quick enough and he was closed down quickly which resulted in a stretched snap shot. I still think in a team that moves the ball quicker on the deck we’d see him at his best. I get the feeling he’s not wanted - trusted by Dyche.