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4-2-3-1 ?

Post by FCBurnley » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:08 pm

Just about to watch Arsenal
V West Ham (sadly) and I notice both teams are using a 4-2-3-1 formation
Not that we ever will but what would your Burnley team be in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Mine would be

Pope

Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor

Cork Brownhill

Cornet Westwood. McNeil

Wood

Much harder to select than usual 4-4-3

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:10 pm

Cork out of that, Westwood never seen being a 10. JBG in.

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by FCBurnley » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:19 pm

Don’t see JBG as a defensive midfielder. Corky has the experience in a more defensive role. Amazing how many more different options it gives you

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:33 pm

Unlikely that we will see it in it’s true form - but the 4411, 451 and 433 are all variations of the same thing.
It would be great to see:
Cornet McNeil JBG
Wood/Jay/Vydra

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by KRBFC » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:16 pm

people still haven't realised JBG offers nothing then..... open your damn eyes

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:46 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:16 pm
people still haven't realised JBG offers nothing then..... open your damn eyes
Apart from the fact he’s been pretty good this season, is good running with the ball, good shot, good passer. Yeah nothing.

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by KRBFC » Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:20 am

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:46 pm
Apart from the fact he’s been pretty good this season, is good running with the ball, good shot, good passer. Yeah nothing.
He's been good at what exactly?

Good shot? 3 goals since 2018-19
Good passer? 2 assists since 2018-19.

Running with the ball? he's painfully slow and one footed, offers absolutely zilch to us going forward and hasn't for 3 years.

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:22 am

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:16 pm
people still haven't realised JBG offers nothing then..... open your damn eyes
I agree. Offers less in a wide right than he’s ever done before. But at this stage in careers, players often shift to positions where their current skills (experience, tenacity) replace the skills they’re losing (pace, crossing). Absolute no brainer to consider other positions rather than your “open your damn eyes” vitriol.

I think he’d do well in a deeper, central midfield role personally.

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Down_Rover » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:30 am

FCBurnley wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:08 pm
Just about to watch Arsenal
V West Ham (sadly) and I notice both teams are using a 4-2-3-1 formation
Not that we ever will but what would your Burnley team be in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Mine would be

Pope

Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor

Cork Brownhill

Cornet Westwood. McNeil

Wood

Much harder to select than usual 4-4-3
4-4-3 might give us an advantage. Can we try 5-4-3-2 and see if anyone notices?

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by andyh » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:39 am

FCBurnley wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:08 pm


Much harder to select than usual 4-4-3
It is the extra man that makes it easier :lol:

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:39 am

What JBG hasn't done at all this season is really offer a consistent attacking threat, but what he's always been really good at is his defensive work for the team.

He's match fit, so can still offer that, and he's certainly our best wide man in that, but we wait to see if he can refind his attacking form as well

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by claret2018 » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:47 am

JBG follows a pattern that lots of our signings follow. They come in and offer an exciting attacking threat, which over time disappears and they become defensive, dull 6/10 type of players.

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:50 am

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:47 am
JBG follows a pattern that lots of our signings follow. They come in and offer an exciting attacking threat, which over time disappears and they become defensive, dull 6/10 type of players.
In his case though, its been a couple of seasons of injuries and he's still feeling his way back from that

I'd be amazed if he got a new contract in the summer, but I hope he can get back to what he was because he was an essentially player for us

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:57 am

Identifying formations on paper often assumes that the players will rigidly be found during a game in this position. But if 2 out of the 3 are also expected to play wide and track whilst the other supports the lone striker, then you have 4-4-2.
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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Bosscat » Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:02 pm

Heres a formation 3-2-1

https://youtu.be/FELNEkPwVAk

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Re: 4-2-3-1 ?

Post by Spijed » Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:20 pm

Back in the day the 3-2-1 formation used by Ted Rogers always worked well.

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