Spurs kicked out of Europe

[Quickenthetempo]

After forfeiting their game against Rennes they were awarded a 3 nil loss. That meant they finished 3rd in the group and out on their nelly.

I wish the premier league had the same rules.

[CaptJohn]

I see that UEFA have deemed that Spurs forfeited their game against Rennes due to COVID outbreak. Well done UEFA, it's a pity the PL haven't done the same against clubs cancelling matches for the same reason.

[jrgbfc]

Probably not a bad outcome for Spurs really. The Conference League is a bit Mickey Mouse and it allows them to concentrate on the league.

[Gordaleman]

I see that UEFA have deemed that Spurs forfeited their game against Rennes due to COVID outbreak. Well done UEFA, it's a pity the PL haven't done the same against clubs cancelling matches for the same reason.

Would you still think the same if Burnley had a major outbreak? Losing the chance of points now would likely see us relegated.

[RalphCoatesComb]

I'm fine with this, providing it is exercised across the board.

[Quickenthetempo]

Would you still think the same if Burnley had a major outbreak? Losing the chance of points now would likely see us relegated.

Yes. I even think Spurs should have been awarded 3 points against us when we couldn't put the game on because of snow.
It might have been a freak storm but if clubs knew they would lose the 3 points, then clubs would find a way of getting the game on.

If games get called off during a game by the ref then replay them, but they should all start.

[Gordaleman]

Yes. I even think Spurs should have been awarded 3 points against us when we couldn't put the game on because of snow.
It might have been a freak storm but if clubs knew they would lose the 3 points, then clubs would find a way of getting the game on.

If games get called off during a game by the ref then replay them, but they should all start.

That doesn't make sense at all. You think the Burnley Spurs game should have been allowed to start, even though the pitch markings weren't visible? How would that work? Allow all the fans in and then the ref abandons the game after a minute or two because the conditions are unplayable? Yes, that's a brillint idea.

[Quickenthetempo]

That doesn't make sense at all. You think the Burnley Spurs game should have been allowed to start, even though the pitch markings weren't visible? How would that work? Allow all the fans in and then the ref abandons the game after a minute or two because the conditions are unplayable? Yes, that's a brillint idea.

No, I mean clubs would have solutions put in place to stop snow getting on the pitch if 3 points depended on it.

[Clarets4me]

The precedent is now set, 3-0 wins against Watford and Villa, up to 16 points, goal difference of -1 ... Happy Christmas, everyone !

[dsr]

Yes. I even think Spurs should have been awarded 3 points against us when we couldn't put the game on because of snow.
It might have been a freak storm but if clubs knew they would lose the 3 points, then clubs would find a way of getting the game on.

If games get called off during a game by the ref then replay them, but they should all start.

What happens if the pitch is under 6 feet of snow and the M6 is closed? I doubt Spurs would be too keen on the idea of coming up here and getting changed, just to hear the ref whistle to kick off and whistle a second later to abandon the match.

Off topic, they have a peculiar rule in the North West Counties League (at least, they used to 0 it might have changed) that they couldn't postpone a match until the day of the game. Which resulted at least once on Colne having to say a match was still on, even though they couldn't do a pitch inspection without getting heavy machinery in to shift the snow.

[dsr]

No, I mean clubs would have solutions put in place to stop snow getting on the pitch if 3 points depended on it.

A roof? Not sure many clubs could afford it.

[Roosterbooster]

No, I mean clubs would have solutions put in place to stop snow getting on the pitch if 3 points depended on it.

You mean build a roof? For an outdoor sport?
Other option is move us all to the Canaries over the winter...

[dsr]

Other option is move us all to the Canaries over the winter...

Norwich?

[Gordaleman]

No, I mean clubs would have solutions put in place to stop snow getting on the pitch if 3 points depended on it.

Were you even in Burnley when the Spurs game was called off? Nothing that Burnley could possibly have done would have saved that game. The snow wasn't even forecast to be heavy, yet it came down at a heck of a rate, and even though the undersoil heating had been on for three days, it couldn't cope. Mother nature called the game off, and there was nothing Burnley could have done to save it.

[Quickenthetempo]

You could build a roof if building a new stadium, too much work for an odd shaped ground like Turf Moor.

Highly paid professionals would come out with great ideas but here's mine.

Sheeting on the pitch or big marquees so groundsman can work on it/players warm up taken off the pitch as late as possible.
Sheeting like a tempory roof system from Longside upper to Bob Lord roof, fixed in on a slope.

Same with the areas around the ground not fit. If clubs lost 3 points these areas would be re-done with non slip surfaces.

You only make improvements when your harsh.

Some clubs might prefer to just lose the 3 points than suffer additional cost? Their choice.

[Quickenthetempo]

Were you even in Burnley when the Spurs game was called off? Nothing that Burnley could possibly have done would have saved that game. The snow wasn't even forecast to be heavy, yet it came down at a heck of a rate, and even though the undersoil heating had been on for three days, it couldn't cope. Mother nature called the game off, and there was nothing Burnley could have done to save it.

Heavy snow was forecast.

[Shaggy]

Were you even in Burnley when the Spurs game was called off? Nothing that Burnley could possibly have done would have saved that game. The snow wasn't even forecast to be heavy, yet it came down at a heck of a rate, and even though the undersoil heating had been on for three days, it couldn't cope. Mother nature called the game off, and there was nothing Burnley could have done to save it.

Dig out the lines and use an orange ball… like they used to do

[Gordaleman]

You could build a roof if building a new stadium, too much work for an odd shaped ground like Turf Moor.

Highly paid professionals would come out with great ideas but here's mine.

Sheeting on the pitch or big marquees so groundsman can work on it/players warm up taken off the pitch as late as possible.
Sheeting like a tempory roof system from Longside upper to Bob Lord roof, fixed in on a slope.

Same with the areas around the ground not fit. If clubs lost 3 points these areas would be re-done with non slip surfaces.

You only make improvements when your harsh.

Some clubs might prefer to just lose the 3 points than suffer additional cost? Their choice.

All that work and cost for one game in what, five years? I really don't think that's a cost effective way to spend money.

[Quickenthetempo]

Dig out the lines and use an orange ball… like they used to do

There were pictures of an under 11s game being played at the same time on social media.

[dsr]

Heavy snow was forecast.

I was keeping a close eye on weather forecasts because I had to go to Durham that day, and neither the BBC nor YR.NO were forecasting heavy snow.

[Gordaleman]

Dig out the lines and use an orange ball… like they used to do

The lines were being constantly cleared but were quickly covered again. Maybe you think we could have had people running on the pitch during the game to clear them again? The ball wouldn't be a problem, but the rate of snowfall was.

[dsr]

You could build a roof if building a new stadium, too much work for an odd shaped ground like Turf Moor.

Highly paid professionals would come out with great ideas but here's mine.

Sheeting on the pitch or big marquees so groundsman can work on it/players warm up taken off the pitch as late as possible.
Sheeting like a tempory roof system from Longside upper to Bob Lord roof, fixed in on a slope.

Same with the areas around the ground not fit. If clubs lost 3 points these areas would be re-done with non slip surfaces.

You only make improvements when your harsh.

Some clubs might prefer to just lose the 3 points than suffer additional cost? Their choice.

What sort of surface is still non-slip when covered in snow or ice?
How long does it take to erect and remove a football-pitch sized tent?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You could build a roof if building a new stadium, too much work for an odd shaped ground like Turf Moor.

Highly paid professionals would come out with great ideas but here's mine.

Sheeting on the pitch or big marquees so groundsman can work on it/players warm up taken off the pitch as late as possible.
Sheeting like a tempory roof system from Longside upper to Bob Lord roof, fixed in on a slope.

Same with the areas around the ground not fit. If clubs lost 3 points these areas would be re-done with non slip surfaces.

You only make improvements when your harsh.

Some clubs might prefer to just lose the 3 points than suffer additional cost? Their choice.

Are you being serious with those ideas?

Sheeting on pitch - would still need clearing of snow
Marquee - again would need clearing of snow before dismantling
Temp sheeting as a roof - yet again would need clearing of snow and also structurally it would bow under the weight of said snow

The only real solution is a proper roof.
An inflatable roof has been at other places, they had one collapse at the NFL stadium for the Minnesota Vikings a few years back due to weight of the snow that had built up although they get 5-6 mths of proper snow/cold weather.
https://www.vikings.com/news/longform/m ... -aftermath

[Quickenthetempo]

Are you being serious with those ideas?

Sheeting on pitch - would still need clearing of snow
Marquee - again would need clearing of snow before dismantling
Temp sheeting as a roof - yet again would need clearing of snow and also structurally it would bow under the weight of said snow

The only real solution is a proper roof.
An inflatable roof has been at other places, they had one collapse at the NFL stadium for the Minnesota Vikings a few years back due to weight of the snow that had built up although they get 5-6 mths of proper snow/cold weather.
https://www.vikings.com/news/longform/m ... -aftermath

Yes, brushing snow of sheets is far easier than grass.

Every temporary roof erected has a snow loading in the calculations. As I say the experts would come up with the final ideas.

As a club we didn't have the equipment or man power to deal with it. As you would expect, Man City far better response.

[Quickenthetempo]

I was keeping a close eye on weather forecasts because I had to go to Durham that day, and neither the BBC nor YR.NO were forecasting heavy snow.

Strange as everyone I know was talking about it the day before.

And Burnley had put the Undersoil heating on for it 5 days earlier.

Not saying them apps reported it mind.

[Stayingup]

Yes. I even think Spurs should have been awarded 3 points against us when we couldn't put the game on because of snow.
It might have been a freak storm but if clubs knew they would lose the 3 points, then clubs would find a way of getting the game on.

If games get called off during a game by the ref then replay them, but they should all start.

No. Different reasons.

[Quickenthetempo]

What sort of surface is still non-slip when covered in snow or ice?
How long does it take to erect and remove a football-pitch sized tent?

Just google non slip for any surface you want.

Depends on man power available. Air beam style tent and 20 men could get shut in 10 minutes. But too many if's and buts in the question.

[Bosscat]

Don't you just love these considered debates on UTC

[Stanbill05]

Don't you just love these considered debates on UTC

I wanna go back to work already ..

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Don't you just love these considered debates on UTC

Some yes, because they give me something to think about, a problem to solve etc, like this one does.

[summitclaret]

Heavy snow was forecast.

Yes and it stopped when predicted. Game should have been put back a bit.

[Quickenthetempo]

Some yes, because they give me something to think about, a problem to solve etc, like this one does.

This thread reminds me of Scaffolding.

On a Tuesday when you need to make money, anything is achieved or problem solved.
On a Friday morning when they want to get to the pub for dinner time, everything is impossible and they find 30 ways why it can't be done.

[Devils_Advocate]

Slight difference between Spurs v Rennes and the two games we had called off in that it was the Premier League who made the decision the games shouldnt go ahead.

If the Premier League calls off a match due to their own Covid guidelines then they cannot then make one team forfeit the match for a decision that was not in the clubs control.

[Woodleyclaret]

So logic dictates that we get awarded walkover and 3 points for Watford and Villa manipulation of covid rules and last minute cancellation of games.

[Quickenthetempo]

Slight difference between Spurs v Rennes and the two games we had called off in that it was the Premier League who made the decision the games shouldnt go ahead.

If the Premier League calls off a match due to their own Covid guidelines then they cannot then make one team forfeit the match for a decision that was not in the clubs control.

Good point.

Other leagues see it different. A National league club have been docked 15 points for not playing one game apparently.
Local leagues have said Covid is not enough an excuse to call games off.

[KRBFC]

I see that UEFA have deemed that Spurs forfeited their game against Rennes due to COVID outbreak. Well done UEFA, it's a pity the PL haven't done the same against clubs cancelling matches for the same reason.

It's nothing to do with the game being cancelled initially, Spurs refused to reschedule the game and said they had zero intention of replaying the game at a later date.

[KRBFC]

if we refuse to reschedule the Spurs game, we should also quite rightly be given a 3-0 forfeit loss.

[IanMcL]

After forfeiting their game against Rennes they were awarded a 3 nil loss. That meant they finished 3rd in the group and out on their nelly.

I wish the premier league had the same rules.

You mean justice and fair play for all?

[warksclaret]

It's nothing to do with the game being cancelled initially, Spurs refused to reschedule the game and said they had zero intention of replaying the game at a later date.

Got what they deserved then

[Myk]

No, I mean clubs would have solutions put in place to stop snow getting on the pitch if 3 points depended on it.

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We just need one of these dome things that The Simpson’s Movie had. Job done

[KRBFC]

Got what they deserved then

Got exactly what they wanted

[Quickenthetempo]

You mean justice and fair play for all?

Yes

[taffy]

I thought part of the reason for calling the game off was that it was unsafe for the supporters in the stands and around the ground

[conyoviejo]

Conte thinking of appealing the decision to throw Spurs out and taking it to the court of Arbitration now..lol

[Rowls]

Spurs kicked out of Europe - Good.

Got what they deserved.

There are people out there who still imagine that the decision to call off our game against them was the correct decision and not at all influenced by Spurs.

[Down_Rover]

I have a vague recollection that Spurs were awarded a Carabao cup match in 2020 v Wimbledon or Orient when the opposition team was not able to field a team

I suppose Spurs readily agreed to this

[KRBFC]

I have a vague recollection that Spurs were awarded a Carabao cup match in 2020 v Wimbledon or Orient when the opposition team was not able to field a team

I suppose Spurs readily agreed to this

You do realise why Spurs have been kicked out of Europe, right?

It's not because the initial game was postponed, they flat out refused to schedule another date to play it. Spurs had no intention of playing that game at a later date, they got exactly what they wanted, a 3-0 forfeit loss.

[elwaclaret]

Would you still think the same if Burnley had a major outbreak? Losing the chance of points now would likely see us relegated.

To be fair Goodall, it has been reported Watford revolved around one player who did not isolate around other players who hadn’t been vaccinated led to the cancellation. Only one covid case

[dsr]

To be fair Goodall, it has been reported Watford revolved around one player who did not isolate around other players who hadn’t been vaccinated led to the cancellation. Only one covid case

And also that Watford could have avoided the postponement if they had either been vaccinated, or used proper social distancing. No doubt they felt the inconvenience to the players of social distancing is more important than the inconvenience to the fans of last minute postponements.