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by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:44 pm
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:37 pm
Out of cup
Third Botton
Losing support
2 home wins in 2021
And a Chairman who seems to have no money and no ideas
And a manager who has lost the plot
Other than that, same team and formation for next game
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by Rumbletonk » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:44 pm
Mrpotatohead wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:35 pm
Do you get the feeling Tony that we are at THE crossroads and some big decisions are being considered regarding the management team?
I'm pretty sure he won't be consulted
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by TheOriginalLongsider » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:45 pm
I really don’t care about going out of the cup. It’s the performance. We could have won 1-0 and I would still feel the same
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by clarethomer » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:46 pm
Another loss from a winning position - how many is that this season?
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by Colburn_Claret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:46 pm
CombatClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:40 pm
Changing the starting XI feels more like deckchair rearranging every week. I'm not convinced there is a winning XI in there to be found.
I'd settle for an XI that plays with a bit of passion, composure and commitment, the winning would be a bonus.
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by Elizabeth » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:46 pm
Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:34 pm
Nope, it was exactly as expected. The majority of fans saw it coming and gave it a miss.
Yes it was and had nothing to do with us playing an FA Cup tie
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by CombatClaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:47 pm
kentonclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:41 pm
Let's get things into perspective this was no FA Cup "shock" or "upset".
A team rooted in the bottom 3 in the PL and in shocking form with just a single win in the PL this season, has been beaten by a side sitting in 6th place in the Championship with 11 league wins and in good current form.
Bitterly disappointing yes but a Cup upset no.
We're not allowed to compare ourselves to teams from other divisions after that form table upset people who don't understand form tables.
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by joey13 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:47 pm
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:37 pm
Out of cup
Third Botton
Losing support
2 home wins in 2021
And a Chairman who seems to have no money and no ideas
Don’t forget exciting times
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by KRBFC » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:47 pm
clarethomer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:46 pm
Another loss from a winning position - how many is that this season?
Managerial staff out thought like against Brighton, immediate impact from subs while we sit on our hands.
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by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:48 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:37 pm
Not a clue to be honest but I’ve said all season that the performances had been better than the results. And I know when that happens, the performances then drop and you start deserving the results you are getting.
I don’t know how bad the illness/injury situation is at the club but it appears we were poor today again. At Leeds the performance was lacking in so many areas.
All I will say is Tony is the body language of that shower in the immediate aftermath of their winning goal was utterly contemptible. Not one player trying to rev the team up, not one player pointing or shouting, all with their collective heads bowed simply walking away from goal absolutely silent.
An utter joke
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by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:48 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:47 pm
Managerial staff out thought like against Brighton, immediate impact from subs while we sit on our hands.
Problem is we have no subs who can make any impact on a game
In fact we don't have any starters who can make an impact on a game
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by Stu » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:49 pm
To be fair what changes could be made from the bench ?
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by IanMcL » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:50 pm
The young players have to be up to it. Not sure they are.
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by KRBFC » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:50 pm
A left back doesn't make the same mistake Lowton did, Dodgson was sat on the bench, he's not old enough to qualify for a starting spot apparently.
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by warksclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:52 pm
Its not just being knocked out of the Cup, but right now the confidence will have been drained from the team. Meanwhile confidence for Watford and Newcastle will be raised. These two clubs will be treating us as certs alongside Norwich
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by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:52 pm
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:50 pm
A left back doesn't make the same mistake Lowton did, Dodgson was sat on the bench, he's not old enough to qualify for a starting spot apparently.
By 10 years
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by ewanrob » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:55 pm
THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:48 pm
All I will say is Tony is the body language of that shower in the immediate aftermath of their winning goal was utterly contemptible. Not one player trying to rev the team up, not one player pointing or shouting, all with their collective heads bowed simply walking away from goal absolutely silent.
An utter joke
Totally agree, he (SD) has allowed this to happen. Just to pick Wood as an example, quite shocking all season but still on the team sheet every week...sends out all the wrong signals.
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by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:56 pm
FCBurnley wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:41 pm
Injuries/ illnesses can’t have been to prohibitive other wise game would have been postponed. Also from what I am
Reading Huddersfield had 7 first team regulars not in starting XI
You obviously have a greater insight than I have regarding the current health/injury situation at Burnley
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by BennyD » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:57 pm
I was a massive SD fan but, sadly, I fear the future with this regime. Gutless, clueless and embarrassing. This season is done, I'm just hoping for 1 more point to beat Derby's record. However, I'm not convinced we'll get it.
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by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:57 pm
THEWELLERNUT70 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:48 pm
All I will say is Tony is the body language of that shower in the immediate aftermath of their winning goal was utterly contemptible. Not one player trying to rev the team up, not one player pointing or shouting, all with their collective heads bowed simply walking away from goal absolutely silent.
An utter joke
That's how it was at Leeds -it's how it was in those early months of Dyche. It really doesn't help when you have so many players coming out of contract and not knowing what their futures are.
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by Vino blanco » Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:58 pm
Merson has just said on soccer saturday words to the effect that this result could relegate Burnley. He felt Watford had more in them to finish above Burnley after such a defeat by Huddersfield..
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by Aclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:01 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:57 pm
That's how it was at Leeds -it's how it was in those early months of Dyche. It really doesn't help when you have so many players coming out of contract and not knowing what their futures are.
I honestly don't know where we go from here, like you said earlier. The club is at a crossroads.
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by Jimmymaccer » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:01 pm
They’ll be as nervous as hell for leicester and Watford games……..even if we get our noses in front, we”ll let both teams come on to us as we defend deeper and deeper ………and we all know what happens then……..but for these next two games, the fans can play a massive part and we have to be, just have to be behind the lads!!!
Have a beer, forget about today and “rest up” ready for next Saturday!
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by Wile E Coyote » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:03 pm
its the cup, hardly anyone cares. the competition has been a joke for years now, they have been flogging a dead horse with this for ages, but we all know many teams aren't interested.
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by BabylonClaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:14 pm
Ran out of steam really against a younger side who brought on their full sub compliment. The sub of Wood was utterly perplexing though.
I really don't want to gi down though for all those berks talking about how the Championship is better just rerun this game in Your heads as this will be it week I week out for a year
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by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:19 pm
BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:14 pm
Ran out of steam really against a younger side who brought on their full sub compliment. The sub of Wood was utterly perplexing though.
I really don't want to gi down though for all those berks talking about how the Championship is better just rerun this game in Your heads as this will be it week I week out for a year
Injured apparently.
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by beddie » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:38 pm
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:57 pm
It really doesn't help when you have so many players coming out of contract and not knowing what their futures are.
Absolutely spot on. I’m hoping Mr Pace and Dyche will speak together next week about this situation and somehow try and resolve it for the better.
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by BennyD » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:39 pm
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by Flat Stanley » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:40 pm
No confidence, fight or passion. Never seen a Dyche team that just accepts defeat like that. That team has gone, totally lost whatever 'edge' we once had. No way we are staying up. Pretty pathetic. Feels like the end of something and a need to rebuild with younger hungry players. Bring back football that lifts the spirits and is enjoyable to watch not this soul destroying, garbage that is barely tolerable even if we win.
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by Stayingup » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Another conceded from a corner to add to the mistake for the first by Lowton. But we deserved nothing. We were ponderous - slow - , had no creativity, and lack leadership on the pitch. Our close passing was dreadful.
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by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:45 pm
Wood goes off at half time (reason irrelevant) and is replaced by Cork!!!! Discuss!
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by BennyD » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:46 pm
I'm at the point where I hope we do get relegated. We'll really struggle to keep up with this season's standard never mind catch up with next season's. We were always going to get relegated at some point, but it hurts that we are going down without a fight. It's all very sad.
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by claretblue » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:47 pm
Stayingup wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Another conceded from a corner to add to the mistake for the first by Lowton…
…and Bardsley!
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by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:48 pm
beddie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:38 pm
Absolutely spot on. I’m hoping Mr Pace and Dyche will speak together next week about this situation and somehow try and resolve it for the better.
Only way to resolve this situation is to give them all new contracts - happy players means they will perform so much better
On the other hand, why not tell them now that they are not being retained - that will certainly help with morale
This is a group of highly paid people who will never have to work again if that's their choice
I'll be hearing next that they can't put in the desired effort because they are too busy worrying where their next meal is going to come from
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by tiger76 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:49 pm
clarethomer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:46 pm
Another loss from a winning position - how many is that this season?
Brighton, Everton and today are surprisingly our only losses when taking the lead this season, however we have drawn several games when ahead, including often conceding late goals. something which rarely happened in previous seasons.
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by alboclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:49 pm
IanMcL wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:50 pm
The young players have to be up to it. Not sure they are.
Nor are the older players
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by Nonayforever » Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:52 pm
Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:45 pm
Wood goes off at half time (reason irrelevant) and is replaced by Cork!!!! Discuss!
Nothing to discuss. Dyche and Woan think exactly the same. Same old same old !
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by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:03 pm
Nonayforever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:52 pm
Nothing to discuss. Dyche and Woan think exactly the same. Same old same old !
I am and I will almost certainly remain a Dyche "in" person, but stuff like this really, really doesn't help. That substitution was (imo) instrumental in our utterly appalling second half showing.
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by burnleymik » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:05 pm
Nonayforever wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:52 pm
Nothing to discuss. Dyche and Woan think exactly the same. Same old same old !
That will have been Dyche's decision. He spoke to the team and Woan on facetime at half time according to a reporter.
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by Nonayforever » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:06 pm
Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:03 pm
I am and I will almost certainly remain a Dyche "in" person, but stuff like this really, really doesn't help. That substitution was (imo) instrumental in our utterly appalling second half showing.
Shove Lennon forward & put a young lad on who wants to impress is what ( i think ) the support is craving for.
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