Time for the old reliables to be dropped?

[jedi_master]

Mee, Tarkowski, Westwood and Wood, specifically.

These players have let us down this season, some more than others but across the board they have got worse and worse. I can deal with us not winning, if I see effort and desire. They were the bare minimum expectations and also what I have come to expect from these lads. I do not see that now.

It’s time for serious action and a message to be sent by our management.

[claret2018]

And replace them with who?

[ClaretTony]

And replace them with who?

That's the problem. As said previously, I've not seen it this afternoon but I was at Leeds and that was horrendous.

[BabylonClaret]

Yep. Absolutely. That second half was an absolute disgrace.

Fine we were unbalanced there but yet again those centre half's needed a massive rocket up their arse. ******* dreadful. Drop em and get soke others in who actually want to be here next season

[jedi_master]

And replace them with who?

Long, Collins, Brownhill and Rodriguez/Vydra.

Are they as good? Clearly not (debatable with Collins), but we cannot carry players not putting 100% in.

[helmclaret]

We looked like a league 1 team going forward.

So slow and stodgy.

[Boss Hogg]

And replace them with who?

This. We are stuck with what we’ve got.

[BabylonClaret]

Our biggest problem though is up front - Wood is so out of form it's unreal but there is noone who can actually come in.

Stephens has to start next week (I never thought I would say that last season)

[Guller Bull]

I'm old but watching that made me feel 10 years older.

That was grim!

[clarethomer]

That performance was as wet as the weather this morning.

I am really not sure what the answer and to sound like a broken record we are paying for our lack of decent recruitment. It has caught up with us with the ageing squad and lack of options

[ClaretMat]

As frustrating as Wood is at times, if he had stayed on the pitch today or we had any recognised striker to replace him with there was only one winner and it wasn't Huddersfield.

[bodge]

Shocking second half display and Tarky should have equalised in injury time but it would have been undeserved.

Lacking cutting edge and ability, need another Maxwel or two.

[Guller Bull]

As frustrating as Wood is at times, if he had stayed on the pitch today or we had any recognised striker to replace him with there was only one winner and it wasn't Huddersfield.

Completely agree - it was toothless when he went off. Wasn't much better before that to be fair.

[Aclaret]

It can't keep on like this, something needs to change.

[DCWat]

During previous poor runs, we’ve had Dyche mentioning clear the air talks, open meetings with the squad to identify and address problems.

Despite this being the worst of periods, there seems to be little in the way of acceptance of the issues or work to address them. I’m sure that plenty is being said in the background but it appears to be very different this time.

With little being said publicly, it’s almost as if we are simply resigned to the fact that we will be relegated. There’s no fight, no desire and I don’t see any signs of stirring leadership.

Let’s at least have a bloody rallying cry - a we’re all in this together!!

We are down, but the biggest issue now is to address the problems and ensure that whatever the issues are, they do not roll into next season.

[The Enclosure]

We get worse by the game...so many basic errors leading to the opposition scoring.
Too many goal scoring chances missed.I cannot see an answer to this.

[burnleymik]

The complete lack of passion is worrying. None of them are even trying to drag those around them up. They have completely stopped caring.

[agreenwood]

This is the issue.

For all the fanfare Cornet’s signing received in the summer, it wasn’t nearly enough.

Cornet hasn’t played enough anyway and none of the other signings have become anything other than back-ups.

As a result we’re basically in our 4th or 5th consecutive season of more of less fielding the same starting XI.

[BabylonClaret]

As frustrating as Wood is at times, if he had stayed on the pitch today or we had any recognised striker to replace him with there was only one winner and it wasn't Huddersfield.

Can only assume he wasn't 100% as there was zero point in that change.

I mean we played 4 cm across the middle which made us even more unbalanced

[Tribesmen]

Lost for words really , maybe with Wood going off we were really out of shape and lost everything going forward .

[DCWat]

This is the issue.

For all the fanfare Cornet’s signing received in the summer, it wasn’t nearly enough.

Cornet hasn’t played enough anyway and none of the other signings have become anything other than back-ups.

As a result we’re basically in our 4th or 5th consecutive season of more of less fielding the same starting XI.

Exactly this - for all there were good signings, they no where near made up for the previous windows. Central midfield was a must.

[Pearcey]

Something certainly needs to change. I’m usually quite positive but we are just an awful side at the moment. I’m actually quite happy that I’ve got a short notice ACL reconstruction on Monday so I can’t go to Arsenal!

[tiger76]

Collins and Stephens could probably step in to our first XI, after that I'm struggling to find many others TBH. Roberts perhaps but I don't know how match fit he currently is, however that trio couldn't do any worse than the current crop, and they just might bring some much needed zest to our play.

But something has to change as performances are getting worse by the game. Yes we had players missing today, but Huddersfield fielded many of their fringe players, and yet still turned us over.

[Burnley1989]

That's the problem. As said previously, I've not seen it this afternoon but I was at Leeds and that was horrendous.

That 2nd half was much worse

[tiger76]

The complete lack of passion is worrying. None of them are even trying to drag those around them up. They have completely stopped caring.

This nails it for me. Far to many simply running their contracts down now, and they don't give a toss about the club any more.

[taio]

That 2nd half was much worse

It's hard to get worse than the second half performance. Horrible stuff on so many levels.

[alwaysaclaret]

Only just looked at this thread so not read any posts other than the thread itself, so consequently my question is, and play who exactly ??

[Ipreferaflan]

Where to start with that performance?

No intensity, creativity or apparent plan. Players taking the safe/easy option every time. Time has caught up with Dyche - years of prioritising grafting over creativity has left us with a squad (Cornet being the exception) that is totally void of attacking presence or belief. We essentially shut down in the final third of the pitch. I have little sympathy with these players - they are paid premier league wages and should be far braver/better on the ball.

We've had some awful teams over the last 30 years but we've always had one or two who can get the crowd going, but today really optimised the season as a whole, against a weak opposition. They totally dominated that 2nd half and we looked scared every time we crossed the halfway line.

The only positive that can come out of today is that it may force Pace's hand in the transfer market.

[AlargeClaret]

The old guard hand let us down badly , Mee ,Tarky , Westwood , Lowton Cork et al don’t deserve a place . Utter embarrassment

[kentonclaret]

During previous poor runs, we’ve had Dyche mentioning clear the air talks, open meetings with the squad to identify and address problems.

Despite this being the worst of periods, there seems to be little in the way of acceptance of the issues or work to address them. I’m sure that plenty is being said in the background but it appears to be very different this time.

With little being said publicly, it’s almost as if we are simply resigned to the fact that we will be relegated. There’s no fight, no desire and I don’t see any signs of stirring leadership.

Let’s at least have a bloody rallying cry - a we’re all in this together!!

We are down, but the biggest issue now is to address the problems and ensure that whatever the issues are, they do not roll into next season.

Your post DCWat highlights perfectly what I posted on here during last summer arguing that new signings were important to bring new impetus and to freshen up the squad. I actually posted that Sean Dyche was going to struggle trying to get a decent tune out of an old fiddle and to motivate a group of players that have heard it all before.

Sadly that now seems to be the case.

[elwaclaret]

That second half was the most worrying forty five minutes of football I’ve seen from Burnley in many years. I can live with poor form, struggling for confidence and lack of quality as a result what I cannot abide is lack of desire… we had none.

I hate to admit it but the last time we looked so utterly inept we had names like Benson managing the team.

Just dreadful today, I Truly hope it finally wakes the club as we seem content to sleepwalk out of the division at this rate.

Sort it Dyche, or admit you can’t and do the honourable thing. Shocking.

[Andreshotboots]

That's the problem. As said previously, I've not seen it this afternoon but I was at Leeds and that was horrendous.

Today was far worse Tony. At least Leeds,although not at full strength, have some very good players.

Today,they had made several changes with their better players not even in their starting Xl. They upped their game second half and we couldn't string two passes together.

Mr Pace seriously needs to look at things now, the crowd was appalling, and continue to fall in league games. The performances are getting worse weekly.

Not a great time to be a Claret at the moment.

[ClaretTony]

This nails it for me. Far to many simply running their contracts down now, and they don't give a toss about the club any more.

Some of those players not knowing where they stand either

[tiger76]

Some of those players not knowing where they stand either

True! but they're hardly showing their worth are they, and on their current form why on earth would we even consider offering them new deals.

[Andreshotboots]

I'd start by getting Bardsley in until Roberts is fit. At least he looks like he still gives a **** unlike the vast majority of the other players.

[fungus_the_bogeyman]

As frustrating as Wood is at times, if he had stayed on the pitch today or we had any recognised striker to replace him with there was only one winner and it wasn't Huddersfield.

It wasn’t this that lost us the game. It was the fact that Huddersfield brought on four first team players and for the umpteenth time this season, we had no answer. Another game lost from a winning position because another team changes things up and we cannot adapt.

[kentonclaret]

Some of those players not knowing where they stand either

Even more reason then for them to put a full shift in to get a new contract offer put on the table or to secure a deal elsewhere.

[BurnleyFC]

Shocking how some are seemingly undroppable while others barely get a proper chance.

[CombatClaret]

Only just looked at this thread so not read any posts other than the thread itself, so consequently my question is, and play who exactly ??

My thought when people demand changes.

Apart from Cornet starting when fully fit and getting Vydra more minutes just to see what happens, I just don't see how playing flat notes in different orders is meant to find a wonderful new tune.

[ksrclaret]

I hope that’s the last we see of James Tarkowski.

[Denno97]

Wouldn’t shock me if they all got new contracts with Dyche at the helm. No chance he wants to blood youth

[burnleymik]

When you cannot even test the rookie goalkeeper of a lower league opposition, for 50 minutes, with 7 of their first team players out, against a majority of your first team, then there is clearly something very wrong.

[Blatherwickstattoo]

Nobody, and I’m including under23’s can be as bad as what we have been playing like the last 12 months. Give them a chance. We are going down anyway. Gutless, abject, devoid of any ideas , tactically clueless. I’ve seen better Sunday league teams then us.

[Les Lawrence]

Why did we sell Benson and Dunne?

[KRBFC]

Lost for words really , maybe with Wood going off we were really out of shape and lost everything going forward .

Come on wake up, we had nothing in the first half with Wood on the pitch. Surrendering possession and hitting it long.

[ClaretMat]

It wasn’t this that lost us the game. It was the fact that Huddersfield brought on four first team players and for the umpteenth time this season, we had no answer. Another game lost from a winning position because another team changes things up and we cannot adapt.

We were struggling from the start of the second half and tried multiple changes (Cork behind Jay, then Lennon getting closer to Jay, then both wide men). With only one winger throughout the game and one striker in the second half it was a real struggle for us. No doubt their changes helped them but the pattern of the game had changed dramatically before then and it was clear we were finding it difficult to pose a threat. No doubt we should have been able to show much more solidity than we did however.

[KRBFC]

We need action, I'd start by ripping up Cork's contract and paying up for the final 6 months. Yet again he gives up a simple ball in the middle of the pitch, Huddersfield break from it and score. We've seen it happen so many times, Dyche doesn't see it and will continue to play him (**** he even played him right midfield today), It's about time Pace took that decision out of Dyche's hands and shred the contract.

Gudmundsson has 18 months left and looks like a League One player at best, get him out of the club, offer him around for nothing, even pay part of his wages just to get him out. Icelandic league maybe for one last hurrah?

Tarkowski, sell him, overrated and costing us all season long.

Mee, costing us all season long, if he's playing the waiting game, lets take that decision out of his hands. Why are we bending over a barrel waiting on the decision of quite frankly an average defender? Take the captaincy away from him and give it to someone who has committed to the club. Sell/Release.

Vydra wants to leave? let him go now. Take the £7m loss, awful signing.

We are letting these average players rot this club and squad, non performances and contract situations. Why are we relying on commitment from players who aren't committed? The club captain isn't signing and is playing awfully, why is he still captain?

[CombatClaret]

Nobody, and I’m including under23’s can be as bad as what we have been playing like the last 12 months.

It probably could. Maybe they would bring a hunger and a desire to impress, but starting multiple players who might have neither trained with the remaining first team or played in the league at all with fixtures such as Arsenal, Liverpool & United upcoming. I could see a prison style ****ing.

The only hope we has is the managers and players who've gotten us out of it before find something mentally to perform that way again.

[SkiptonClaret]

Why did we sell Benson and Dunne?

Under 30.

[jedi_master]

My thought when people demand changes.

Apart from Cornet starting when fully fit and getting Vydra more minutes just to see what happens, I just don't see how playing flat notes in different orders is meant to find a wonderful new tune.

I provided alternatives further down.

Collins and Long in for Mee and Tarkowski
Stephens or Brownhill in for Westwood and Cork
Vydra and Rodriguez instead of Wood and whoever.

These players are not as good, but I’m sick to death of watching Tarkowski, Wood and Westwood (and, sorry to say, starting to see it with Ben Mee) sauntering through the game appearing to not give a **** what occurs within it. It’s so noticeable specifically with those four because of how good they have been for us - chalk and cheese in terms of desire.