We are a championship side

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:43 pm

One thing that was clear from today is that our squad has not got many Premier League quality players in it. Chronic underinvestment for many years has come to bite us.
Premier League or Chanpionship next season our squad needs a total overhaul, and that I worry about.

Pace needs to go all out this window for a CM that can dictate the play, if it costs 25m then so be it, we have to get that sort of player.

nyclaret · Post by **nyclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:44 pm

If some of these players were to leave tomorrow, where would there next club be? Most would be to bottom half Championship/League 1.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:46 pm

DanH90 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:43 pm
One thing that was clear from today is that our squad has not got many Premier League quality players in it.

And you've only just realised this!

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:47 pm

No I haven’t only just realised that, I’ve known this for some time. But actually coming up against a Championship side and being outplayed proves it.

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:52 pm

What defines Premier League quality?

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:57 pm

Actually I tend to agree with the OP. First half today I was thinking Stephens, Jay Rod, Lennon and Brownhill all looked pretty good. Then at half time I remembered we were playing a very average Championship side so they they bloody well SHOULD do, because that unfortunately really is their level these days.

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:58 pm

A player who can consistently perform at the top level. We have possibly 4 players who can (Pope, McNeil, Tarkowski and Cornet)

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:00 pm

An old car can only ride so far without new parts or maintenance

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:00 pm

Belgianclaret that is exactly my point.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:02 pm

Bring it on.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:02 pm

We’d struggle to make the top 6

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:02 pm

DanH90 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:00 pm
Belgianclaret that is exactly my point.

Then it looks like we agree

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:03 pm

It says a lot when your most technical central midfielder, and the only one who can play a ball through the lines on the floor is a 32 year old Dale Stephens.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:10 pm

Bardsley, Pieters, Westwood, Stephens, Cork, Brownhill, Lennon, JBG, Long, Rodriguez would struggle to get into a decent Championship side.

DanH90 · Post by **DanH90** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:16 pm

Thank the lord! Someone finally agrees with me on Brownhill. Running around a lot does not constitute quality. The same goes for Charlie Taylor, now he is just about PL quality but certainly nowhere near as good as Burnley fans make out. His final ball is consistently awful and I dread to think what his assist record is.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:23 pm

Pope
Tarky
Taylor
Cornet

The rest Dwight included wouldn’t get anywhere near a prem side imo

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:26 pm

Tarky!!??? At least 2 awful passes when under no pressure to give possession away in our half today and lucky not to get punished (like last week!) and missed our only chance of the second half by heading over from 6 yards unmarked in added time. Get Collins fit and pick him instead next week. (IMO)

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:27 pm

DanH90 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:43 pm
One thing that was clear from today is that our squad has not got many Premier League quality players in it. Chronic underinvestment for many years has come to bite us.
Premier League or Chanpionship next season our squad needs a total overhaul, and that I worry about.

Pace needs to go all out this window for a CM that can dictate the play, if it costs 25m then so be it, we have to get that sort of player.

I heard the funniest thing from a fan today. He said "take the best 7 players out of City's team and they'd have struggled today"..

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:28 pm

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:27 pm
I heard the funniest thing from a fan today. He said "take the best 7 players out of City's team and they'd have struggled today"..

Bradford maybe.

ClaretMat · Post by **ClaretMat** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:43 pm

We were missing:

Taylor
Vydra
Pieters
Barnes
Roberts
Gudmundson
Collins
McNeil
Cornet

All important members of our squad and and even if Gudmundson, Vydra and McNeil were available today this messageboard would look a whole lot different tonight, as the result would have been different. Our lack of wide men and forwards cost us today, and meant we had a massively unbalanced squad to select from.

If we were going to get a large outbreak of covid then this weekend was perhaps the best one for it to happen and hopefully we will have those affected back next week and any additional cases will be minimal.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:49 pm

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:43 pm
We were missing:

Taylor
Vydra
Pieters
Barnes
Roberts
Gudmundson
Collins
McNeil
Cornet

All important members of our squad and and even if Gudmundson, Vydra and McNeil were available today this messageboard would look a whole lot different tonight, as the result would have been different. Our lack of wide men and forwards cost us today, and meant we had a massively unbalanced squad to select from.

If we were going to get a large outbreak of covid then this weekend was perhaps the best one for it to happen and hopefully we will have those affected back next week and any additional cases will be minimal.

No, nothing would have been any different because although they have been very good in their time for us, none of those three players you mention lower down are any longer capable of altering what happened today. Not good enough. Even McNeil flatters to deceive. When did he last actually hurt a team (other than his own!!)?

ClaretMat · Post by **ClaretMat** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:57 pm

The balance of the side would have been completely different, you can only have so many square pegs in round holes. We had a right back and a central midfielder on our left side today and one striker in the squad.
No doubt the squad needs a refresh, but let's not be too knee jerk after today, given what we had to select from and then Wood going off it was always going to be a tough day.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:08 pm

nyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:44 pm
If some of these players were to leave tomorrow, where would there next club be? Most would be to bottom half Championship/League 1.

There are one or two who would struggle to get a club.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:15 pm

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:08 pm
There are one or two who would struggle to get a club.

I would rip off your right arm to be thought of as being premier League at the minute we aren't even non League and that's no disrespect to them who play at that level

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:18 pm

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:43 pm
We were missing:

Taylor
Vydra
Pieters
Barnes
Roberts
Gudmundson
Collins
McNeil
Cornet

All important members of our squad and and even if Gudmundson, Vydra and McNeil were available today this messageboard would look a whole lot different tonight, as the result would have been different. Our lack of wide men and forwards cost us today, and meant we had a massively unbalanced squad to select from.

If we were going to get a large outbreak of covid then this weekend was perhaps the best one for it to happen and hopefully we will have those affected back next week and any additional cases will be minimal.

The important squad members that you list have mostly been available this season during which we have won just a single PL match and are rooted in the bottom 3. Failed to beat Norwich at home, gave Newcastle their sole PL win of the season and got thrashed by a previously out of form Leeds last weekend.

ClaretMat · Post by **ClaretMat** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:45 pm

That may be the case, but this thread is in response to today's result and there are a lot of reactionary responses on that basis. We've had seasons with a far higher percentage of poor performances, no doubt today was poor but you can't ignore the context of the immediate challenges given today's absentees. The bulk of those mentioned have also been an integral part of our most successful period for over 40 years and that's not including the manager and the backroom staff.

No doubt things aren't a bed of roses at the moment, and the players are only human, confidence can't be in a great place currently. The recent negativity within the fanbase really isn't going to help that.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:53 pm

Dyche has made championship players into a premier league team. Too many are premier league in name only, commanding salaries way above their true worth.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:01 pm

….and he has turned McNeil from a premier league player to a championship player…

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:16 pm

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:43 pm
We were missing:

Taylor
Vydra
Pieters
Barnes
Roberts
Gudmundson
Collins
McNeil
Cornet

I didn’t miss Gudmundson one bit!

He missed the 2nd half at Leeds having contributed nothing the 1st half!

DuckworthsEA · Post by **DuckworthsEA** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:31 pm

Culmclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:01 pm
….and he has turned McNeil from a premier league player to a championship player…

No, he turned him into a premier league player.

Just out of curiosity, do you think that if McNeil was made available for sale, no Premier league clubs would make an offer?

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:34 pm

DuckworthsEA wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:31 pm
No, he turned him into a premier league player.

Just out of curiosity, do you think that if McNeil was made available for sale, no Premier league clubs would make an offer?

Very few. Dyche has turned him in to a left back.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:37 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:34 pm
Very few. Dyche has turned him in to a left back.

You may think Dyche has stifled his attacking threat, but he’s certainly not turned him into a left back.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:40 pm

Norman wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:52 pm
What defines Premier League quality?

today it would have been control the game and out pass a half strength Championship team - we weren't close to doing either, they were way better than us

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:41 pm

DuckworthsEA wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:31 pm
No, he turned him into a premier league player.

Just out of curiosity, do you think that if McNeil was made available for sale, no Premier league clubs would make an offer?

Mmm. He was forced into playing McNeil faute de mieux and he lit up the PL. He is now unrecognisable as that player

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:43 pm

ClaretMat wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:43 pm
We were missing:

Taylor
Vydra
Pieters
Barnes
Roberts
Gudmundson
Collins
McNeil
Cornet

All important members of our squad and and even if Gudmundson, Vydra and McNeil were available today this messageboard would look a whole lot different tonight, as the result would have been different. Our lack of wide men and forwards cost us today, and meant we had a massively unbalanced squad to select from.

If we were going to get a large outbreak of covid then this weekend was perhaps the best one for it to happen and hopefully we will have those affected back next week and any additional cases will be minimal.

Huddersfield had half a team missing

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:44 pm

By championship, i assume you meant League 1?

ClaretMat · Post by **ClaretMat** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:43 pm
Huddersfield had half a team missing

They were on the bench and could be brought on to change the game, with no second forward we were there for the taking second half. You could see that within 60 seconds of the restart.
All we could do was scramble a massively disjointed starting 11 together with a bench made up of defensive players and players without a senior appearance between them.
In previous seasons we have been beaten in cup competitions with better sides out than today and by worse teams.
Don't get me wrong, it was poor, but there were very clear mitigating circumstances. That's not an excuse, it's just the fact of the matter.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:52 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:10 pm
Bardsley, Pieters, Westwood, Stephens, Cork, Brownhill, Lennon, JBG, Long, Rodriguez would struggle to get into a decent Championship side.

7 of those we have the option of clearing out in a few months, and boy do we need a spring clean.

Of those I can only see maybe Brownhill. Cork, Pieters and perhaps Westwood attracting interest from any Championship clubs.

But the question I'd ask is would any of those get in the Bournemouth of Fulham sides, and I'd have to say they probably wouldn't.

DuckworthsEA · Post by **DuckworthsEA** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:16 pm

Culmclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:41 pm
Mmm. He was forced into playing McNeil faute de mieux and he lit up the PL. He is now unrecognisable as that player

Define lit up the PL. Surely a player of his age, that once did light up the league would interest another Premier League side?

In your opinion, why is he now recognisable as that player?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:41 pm

An over abundance of midfield players in the Burnley engine room who's pistons are knackered.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:22 am

DuckworthsEA wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:31 pm
No, he turned him into a premier league player.

Just out of curiosity, do you think that if McNeil was made available for sale, no Premier league clubs would make an offer?

Why does making him available for sale need to be a prerequisite?

Sozturf7 · Post by **Sozturf7** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:00 am

What a load of Tosh.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:03 am

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:26 pm
Tarky!!??? At least 2 awful passes when under no pressure to give possession away in our half today and lucky not to get punished (like last week!) and missed our only chance of the second half by heading over from 6 yards unmarked in added time. Get Collins fit and pick him instead next week. (IMO)

Was also outjumped by Pearson for their winning goal

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:11 am

Ultimately, we are not a bad side. In fact we are a really, really good side, but the fact is you only have to be the 18th best side in the best league in the world to be kicked out of it. At present we look like the 18th best side as results show. Can we become the 17th best side (we were last season) or even better? This season I'm really not convinced unfortunately.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:14 am

WE are so easy and predictable to play against. We will give most PL teams their easiest game of the season in a very competitive league and indeed have done ie Everton, Brighton, Leeds,Norwich,Man Utd-I could go on. Yesterday we played a Championship side with a foreign manager who probably has never heard of Burnley. His coaches will have told him to play 3 at the back as we usually play with two big strikers. It worked-Wood was a passenger all day, went off so all they had to then do was contain Rodriguez. Things must be really dire as I am now wondering when Barnes might be fit-how bad is that.