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Garlick Bashers

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:16 pm

I’d be interested to know the correlation between people blaming the previous owner for our current situation and the people that wanted him out of the club.

In my opinion he was driven out of the club by fans expecting us to spend unsustainably each transfer window. The best way to sell the club was to keep it as financially attractive as possible - cash in the bank.

I appreciate he made a huge profit for his investment but he also took a huge risk when he took over. If the club had failed in this league how much money would he have to pump in just to keep us in the championship? The risk and reward are equal for me.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by bfcjg » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:17 pm

If you say so Mike.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:17 pm

Mike Garlick’s sons back.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:18 pm

We need pressers not bashers

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:19 pm

Why would he have to pu.p his own money in? We had 4 years of parachute payments if we had gone down?

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Somethingfishy » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:19 pm

Looks like another sheep has escaped.....

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:20 pm

I thought this was a kitchen utensil
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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:21 pm

Mike Garlick did one hell of a lot of good for BFC.
No-one is perfect
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by HahaYeah » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:23 pm

He's one of them responsible for getting us into this mess, along with Dyche.

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Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:24 pm

He was not driven out by the fans at all. What utter nonsense.

He made the decision some years before the sale actually happened to prioritise a huge return for the majority shareholders over keeping the club progressing as it should have been.

He then decided, with only the best interests of the club at heart apparently, that selling to an American group with no money was the best course of action to safeguard our future.

Sorry, but his last few years in charge stank.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:26 pm

Had the chance to really strengthen after we finished 7th. Got progressively worse after each subsequent window from that point. The rest as they say is history.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by BedfordsDad » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:29 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:16 pm
I’d be interested to know the correlation between people blaming the previous owner for our current situation and the people that wanted him out of the club.

In my opinion he was driven out of the club by fans expecting us to spend unsustainably each transfer window. The best way to sell the club was to keep it as financially attractive as possible - cash in the bank.

I appreciate he made a huge profit for his investment but he also took a huge risk when he took over. If the club had failed in this league how much money would he have to pump in just to keep us in the championship? The risk and reward are equal for me.
I am sure Barry Kilby would have been in a position to offer any appropriate advice to the former Chairman concerning the prudent management of Burnley FC.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Somethingfishy » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:30 pm

The net result is we will likely be back where we started and building from scratch whilst he is a hell of a lot better off. Good work if you can get it.

Yet some on here still hero worship the guy. I despair.
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Post by Papabendi » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:31 pm

Bought one on amazon
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:31 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:17 pm
If you say so Mike.
So that’s 1 - good start.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by ewanrob » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:31 pm

He went from fans favourite to the whipping boy. Money wasn't being spent very well toward the end of his tenure, and that cannot all be down to him. I think it's unfair to pin all the woes on him.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by BigChaCha » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:31 pm

The Cheshire cat, that got the cream, now has a wide cheesy grin after fattening up the Goose and flogging it for a pretty penny!

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:31 pm

Is that what you call a vampire having a w@nk ?

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:39 pm

I think garlick can be blamed for a few issues, despite having done a good job overall. Pace and co have done a much better job of addressing fans issues so far, with actual improvements to the ground, website and shop already. The main issue with garlick though stems from when he was being particularly cautious during the pandemic, refusing to extend contracts and leaving dyche in a difficult position. Luckily, we ended up surviving. Then garlick was in the process of the club sale and we were clearly not even trying to sign players in that summer window.

Garlick had actually responsibly allowed us to spend £20-£40 Million per year for a few years, which kept our squad turning over nicely and kept us up comfortably while we seemed to be improving. It was that year of him selling and therefore not signing anyone which has left us with too much to do now.

On the positive side, the new owners have made a very good start in terms of recruitment in my opinion, and with two or three more windows like that we will certainly be a premier league standard squad. We aren’t as far away as we look.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Shaggy » Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:58 pm

People like to hold Garlick wholly responsible as a way of deflecting the blame from their ginger idol.

to be fair Garlick does take some share of the blame with his prudent approach, however we did spend reasonable money.

the problem with our squad is mainly down to Dyche and the type of players he targets. Gibson was probably the start of the divergence, he was woefully mismanaged by Dyche and his staff. Vydra is another, a Garlick driven signing who Dyche hates to play. Rigg put lots of names infront of Dyche who dismissed them. then the contracts scenario Garlick was 100% right.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:04 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:58 pm
Rigg put lots of names infront of Dyche who dismissed them.
Do you have a list of these names?

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Somethingfishy » Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:05 pm

Shaggy wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:58 pm
People like to hold Garlick wholly responsible as a way of deflecting the blame from their ginger idol.

to be fair Garlick does take some share of the blame with his prudent approach, however we did spend reasonable money.

the problem with our squad is mainly down to Dyche and the type of players he targets. Gibson was probably the start of the divergence, he was woefully mismanaged by Dyche and his staff. Vydra is another, a Garlick driven signing who Dyche hates to play. Rigg put lots of names infront of Dyche who dismissed them. then the contracts scenario Garlick was 100% right.
For the record I hold them both accountable. Combine them both and we had such a narrow market to shop in it was no wonder we found it difficult to get players in. I think we still have that issue with Dyche despite the purse strings being relaxed slightly. He is definitely a big reason why we have had such difficult transfer windows and why our team has the average age it has.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by DuckworthsEA » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:08 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:16 pm
I’d be interested to know the correlation between people blaming the previous owner for our current situation and the people that wanted him out of the club.

In my opinion he was driven out of the club by fans expecting us to spend unsustainably each transfer window. The best way to sell the club was to keep it as financially attractive as possible - cash in the bank.

I appreciate he made a huge profit for his investment but he also took a huge risk when he took over. If the club had failed in this league how much money would he have to pump in just to keep us in the championship? The risk and reward are equal for me.
He was driven out of the club by the offer he received for his shares in Burnley Football Club, and the profit that it made.

I’d be interested to know the correlation between, well a few things, mainly between the lack of investment in players that would improve our first 11 over a number of seasons and the reason why we are in the position we find ourselves in the league.

Like you say, cash in the bank may have resulted in keeping the club financially attractive. Which resulted in your Dad Mike, earning a handsome profit. Which is great for him.

But like you say, it was probably more due to the fact we wanted unsustainable transfer activity. I think most of us are delighted with Maxwell Cornet, he broke the bank didn’t he.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:17 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:16 pm
I’d be interested to know the correlation between people blaming the previous owner for our current situation and the people that wanted him out of the club.

In my opinion he was driven out of the club by fans expecting us to spend unsustainably each transfer window. The best way to sell the club was to keep it as financially attractive as possible - cash in the bank.

I appreciate he made a huge profit for his investment but he also took a huge risk when he took over. If the club had failed in this league how much money would he have to pump in just to keep us in the championship? The risk and reward are equal for me.
Driven out by fans? I’d love to see some evidence of that. The simple truth is he saw an opportunity to make some money by selling. Probably the biggest criticism of him eventually could be who he sold to.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:17 pm
Driven out by fans? I’d love to see some evidence of that. The simple truth is he saw an opportunity to make some money by selling. Probably the biggest criticism of him eventually could be who he sold to.
CT, I trust you to give an honest answer:
Did MG sell his shares, or did he sell the club?

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Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:25 pm

He definitely held back funding and left the squad short for last season, he wanted cash in bank to sell. The way Dyche had previously frittered away finance, I can kinda understand why he didn't want to give him anymore to spend/decided himself who to purchase.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:25 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:22 pm
CT, I trust you to give an honest answer:
Did MG sell his shares, or did he sell the club?
ALK bought 84% of the club from the major shareholders. I believe that is made up of director shares only with Garlick having, by far, the most shares.

He basically presided over the sale of 84% of the club with around half of that going to him.
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Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:25 pm
ALK bought 84% of the club from the major shareholders. I believe that is made up of director shares only with Garlick having, by far, the most shares.

He basically presided over the sale of 84% of the club with around half of that going to him.
I read a lot of comments such as "lining his grubby pockets", comments I find distasteful as they imply dishonesty.
In truth, has MG done anything other than make money out of good financial management?
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:17 pm
Driven out by fans? I’d love to see some evidence of that. The simple truth is he saw an opportunity to make some money by selling. Probably the biggest criticism of him eventually could be who he sold to.
It was widely reported his son was getting vile abuse on FB and twitter.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:32 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:29 pm
I read a lot of comments such as "lining his grubby pockets", comments I find distasteful as they imply dishonesty.
In truth, has MG done anything other than make money out of good financial management?
No, and it was his club, so his money. Not ours
It’s hard to take as he’s supposed to be a fan like us, he’s also a successful business man and that’s the way the majority are and how they’ve managed to do so well in life.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:33 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:30 pm
It was widely reported his son was getting vile abuse on FB and twitter.
His son was a dick on social media tbh

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:34 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:33 pm
His son was a dick on social media tbh
That describes about 90% of social media users. I'm one :D

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Post by IanMcL » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:37 pm

Bash on.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:37 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:33 pm
His son was a dick on social media tbh
As are 99% of people in them Burnley themed groups.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:43 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:30 pm
It was widely reported his son was getting vile abuse on FB and twitter.
So his son is getting abuse on FB & Twitter and that's driven out. Dear oh dear, from what I can see, Garlick has taken the money, and he'd been trying to sell for a number of years, to get the best possible deal for himself and definitely not for the club. At least we had money in the bank previously.
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Post by alf_resco » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:54 pm

Man buys a local supermarket in a poor state. Puts in lots of his own cash with no guarantee it'll work - he could lose the lot. He smartens the place up. Installs a new, unproven manager who knows how to run a supermarket and the shop flourishes. Regular loyal customers are happy and flock there to see the range of new goods on display. Some years later, nothing much has changed. Shop still doing ok but other competitors are making life a bit harder. Owner isn't too keen on spending more money sprucing up the store yet again as it's doing ok but the now well-renowned manager wants more brass spent. Owner then thinks this is as good as it gets and a rival comes in with an offer to buy him out that is simply too good to refuse. So he sells and makes a tidy profit.
Anyone blame him?

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Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:56 pm

alf_resco wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:54 pm
Man buys a local supermarket in a poor state. Puts in lots of his own cash with no guarantee it'll work - he could lose the lot. He smartens the place up. Installs a new, unproven manager who knows how to run a supermarket and the shop flourishes. Regular loyal customers are happy and flock there to see the range of new goods on display. Some years later, nothing much has changed. Shop still doing ok but other competitors are making life a bit harder. Owner isn't too keen on spending more money sprucing up the store yet again as it's doing ok but the now well-renowned manager wants more brass spent. Owner then thinks this is as good as it gets and a rival comes in with an offer to buy him out that is simply too good to refuse. So he sells and makes a tidy profit.
Anyone blame him?
No, but I do blame people who make nonsense comparisons between football clubs and supermarkets.
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:58 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:56 pm
No, but I do blame people who make nonsense comparisons between football clubs and supermarkets.
File under comparisons to soldiers and NHS workers.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:01 pm

alf_resco wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:54 pm
Man buys a local supermarket in a poor state. Puts in lots of his own cash with no guarantee it'll work - he could lose the lot. He smartens the place up. Installs a new, unproven manager who knows how to run a supermarket and the shop flourishes. Regular loyal customers are happy and flock there to see the range of new goods on display. Some years later, nothing much has changed. Shop still doing ok but other competitors are making life a bit harder. Owner isn't too keen on spending more money sprucing up the store yet again as it's doing ok but the now well-renowned manager wants more brass spent. Owner then thinks this is as good as it gets and a rival comes in with an offer to buy him out that is simply too good to refuse. So he sells and makes a tidy profit.
Anyone blame him?
If only it were a supermarket and if only that were the truth.

I wonder how much of his money he did put in? From where did he get his shares?
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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by brexit » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:03 pm

garlick = shrewd business man
garlick bashers = deluded dinosaur supporters

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by bf2k » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:04 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:16 pm
In my opinion he was driven out of the club by fans expecting us to spend unsustainably each transfer window. The best way to sell the club was to keep it as financially attractive as possible - cash in the bank.
Are you ******* serious? The best way to run a football club is to not invest into it.
Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:16 pm
I appreciate he made a huge profit for his investment but he also took a huge risk when he took over.
How was it a risk?
Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:16 pm
If the club had failed in this league how much money would he have to pump in just to keep us in the championship? The risk and reward are equal for me.
Same as last time!

The previous board walked away from this club laughing to the bank when the squad was never adequately invested in.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by bf2k » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:07 pm

brexit wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:03 pm
garlick = shrewd business man
garlick bashers = deluded dinosaur supporters
Just don’t agree with this. A shrewd business man knows how to keep a business at its peak.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by brexit » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:09 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:07 pm
Just don’t agree with this. A shrewd business man knows how to keep a business at its peak.
Or knows when to get out before his staff trash the business
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Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:10 pm

He was definitely driven out who can forget all those ‘Garlick Out’ protests that were held outside the Bob Lord stand main entrance.
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Post by alf_resco » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:10 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:07 pm
Just don’t agree with this. A shrewd business man knows how to keep a business at its peak.
Yes, and a shrewd businessman knows when to get out.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:10 pm

DuckworthsEA wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:08 pm
He was driven out of the club by the offer he received for his shares in Burnley Football Club, and the profit that it made.

I’d be interested to know the correlation between, well a few things, mainly between the lack of investment in players that would improve our first 11 over a number of seasons and the reason why we are in the position we find ourselves in the league.

Like you say, cash in the bank may have resulted in keeping the club financially attractive. Which resulted in your Dad Mike, earning a handsome profit. Which is great for him.

But like you say, it was probably more due to the fact we wanted unsustainable transfer activity. I think most of us are delighted with Maxwell Cornet, he broke the bank didn’t he.
Just out of interest, how much do you think ALK or any other buyer would of paid for the club if we had been in let’s say c£200m of debt?

Was Cornet much more expensive than Wood? Remember his signing pre-Garlick out.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by daveisaclaret » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:11 pm

I can only assume that anyone who compares football clubs to supermarkets is happy to switch between Burnley, Blackburn and Preston as easily as I switch between Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury’s.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by brexit » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:12 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:10 pm
He was definitely driven out who can forget all those ‘Garlick Out’ protests that were held outside the Bob Lord stand main entrance.
No he saw a chance to make a profit and took it.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by bf2k » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:14 pm

brexit wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:09 pm
Or knows when to get out before his staff trash the business
His staff trash it? You obviously don’t know his to run a business. If you believe your staff are crap you get rid and get new.
alf_resco wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:10 pm
Yes, and a shrewd businessman knows when to get out.
But this isn’t any normal business is it? It’s a business they were supposed to be fans of. A business that they all had and probably still have a vested interest in.

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Re: Garlick Bashers

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:16 pm

bf2k wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:14 pm




But this isn’t any normal business is it? It’s a business they were supposed to be fans of. A business that they all had and probably still have a vested interest in.

I used to think that.... until I got called a customer. ;)

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