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Personally I listen to Talk Sport more than any station. Yes there is a significant amount of rubbish on it, but fortunately I treat that as just that, and erode it from my memory. What does however keep me listening is the amount of good features, good interviews( including people like SD, Paul Fletcher, our own CT) ,up to the minute news and several debates that take place. I have listened to some great debates between Simon Jordan and both Danny Murphy/ Trevor Sinclair. Believe me the latter two don't hold back with Jordan and bring him back to earth.
For me the feature and additional media coverage that the new owners are creating in terms of their inability to pay back the first major instalment is only telling me what we already knew. The owners have borrowed heavily to buy out the major shareholders, they used the cash reserves to help achieve this, crowds are falling from both COVID fears and our own performances, and relegation is as likely to happen as it was looking for Sheffield Utd 12 months ago. The income streams they were envisaging just have not materialised, and the owners realise that the Championship will seriously reduce our positive cash flow, which is currently being used to fund interest charges. If I have missed anything right now that appears positive to a Burnley fan, that we can cling on to, will someone please let me know
For me the feature and additional media coverage that the new owners are creating in terms of their inability to pay back the first major instalment is only telling me what we already knew. The owners have borrowed heavily to buy out the major shareholders, they used the cash reserves to help achieve this, crowds are falling from both COVID fears and our own performances, and relegation is as likely to happen as it was looking for Sheffield Utd 12 months ago. The income streams they were envisaging just have not materialised, and the owners realise that the Championship will seriously reduce our positive cash flow, which is currently being used to fund interest charges. If I have missed anything right now that appears positive to a Burnley fan, that we can cling on to, will someone please let me know
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Quite right and I would add why would anyone in their right mind listen to it.SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:03 amWho in their right mind would submit to be interviewed by Talksport
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Erm, lots of respected people in the game are happy to be interviewed by talksport. Additionally lots of people of sound mind listen to it.
I think the issue here is let’s attack any media that try and constructively criticise our club, our ownership, our transfer policy, our playing style etc. We are bottom of the league with a poor ageing squad, many of them soon to be out of contract. We have just sold our centre forward to a relegation rival and any decent signings during this window look unlikely. On top of that we have new venture capitalist owners who appear to be struggling to raise additional funds. Of course the media are going to be scrutinising goings on at BFC. I would be disappointed if they weren’t.
I think the issue here is let’s attack any media that try and constructively criticise our club, our ownership, our transfer policy, our playing style etc. We are bottom of the league with a poor ageing squad, many of them soon to be out of contract. We have just sold our centre forward to a relegation rival and any decent signings during this window look unlikely. On top of that we have new venture capitalist owners who appear to be struggling to raise additional funds. Of course the media are going to be scrutinising goings on at BFC. I would be disappointed if they weren’t.
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I used to listen to itJamesy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:14 pmErm, lots of respected people in the game are happy to be interviewed by talksport. Additionally lots of people of sound mind listen to it.
I think the issue here is let’s attack any media that try and constructively criticise our club, our ownership, our transfer policy, our playing style etc. We are bottom of the league with a poor ageing squad, many of them soon to be out of contract. We have just sold our centre forward to a relegation rival and any decent signings during this window look unlikely. On top of that we have new venture capitalist owners who appear to be struggling to raise additional funds. Of course the media are going to be scrutinising goings on at BFC. I would be disappointed if they weren’t.
But now its bantz and ********, and its all about getting people annoyed about their football club and the two presenters take completely different and equally bats**t views to try to get people to call in
Its actual match coverage is fine, but everything else is unlistenable tripe
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Correct years ago used to listen to Hawksbee n Jacobs at least it was a bit intelligent in parts don't think even they are on together anymore.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:17 pmI used to listen to it
But now its bantz and ********, and its all about getting people annoyed about their football club and the two presenters take completely different and equally bats**t views to try to get people to call in
Its actual match coverage is fine, but everything else is unlistenable tripe
Now some of the esteemed presenters are Jim White, Darren Gough, Trevor Sinclair (least he is probably sober on there and not being racist to coppers or pi**ing his pants) Adrian Durham amd Jamie O Hara it is like you have to be a bit thick to get a gig on there
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They weren't constructively criticising our club our club last week when they were pretty much accusing us of selling Wood, just so that we could get the game at the weekend postponedJamesy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:14 pmErm, lots of respected people in the game are happy to be interviewed by talksport. Additionally lots of people of sound mind listen to it.
I think the issue here is let’s attack any media that try and constructively criticise our club, our ownership, our transfer policy, our playing style etc. We are bottom of the league with a poor ageing squad, many of them soon to be out of contract. We have just sold our centre forward to a relegation rival and any decent signings during this window look unlikely. On top of that we have new venture capitalist owners who appear to be struggling to raise additional funds. Of course the media are going to be scrutinising goings on at BFC. I would be disappointed if they weren’t.
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The fact is he has & he’s got experience from doing so previously & made mistakes along the way so he knows what he’s talking about, some people seem to be completely dismissive of Jordan because he’s giving opinions which they don’t agree with even to the extent of ignoring facts.
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It’s almost getting to the ‘Siege Mentality’ state on here now.
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Yes but, but the Daily Mail said and someone else said but Simon Jordan thinks………
On the subject of Talk Sport it was ok when it talked about sport same as Sky Sports News was good when it reported sports news, the latter in particular having declined rapidly as it spends 9 months of a year speculating about 3 months that are “transfer windows”. It’s painful stuff.
On the subject of Talk Sport it was ok when it talked about sport same as Sky Sports News was good when it reported sports news, the latter in particular having declined rapidly as it spends 9 months of a year speculating about 3 months that are “transfer windows”. It’s painful stuff.
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Its not, its stating what Talksport modus operandi is and why we don't listen to it
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Perhaps Pace can't appear on talksport as he's currently away negotiating terms with players like he did with Cornet? Just a thought.
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I very rarely listen to Talk Sport but have to agree with the horrendous decline of Sky Sports News.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:32 pmYes but, but the Daily Mail said and someone else said but Simon Jordan thinks………
On the subject of Talk Sport it was ok when it talked about sport same as Sky Sports News was good when it reported sports news, the latter in particular having declined rapidly as it spends 9 months of a year speculating about 3 months that are “transfer windows”. It’s painful stuff.
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Does anyone know what Jordan said about something he has no right commenting about this morning?
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If you don’t listen how do you know what it’s modus operandi is ?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:34 pmIts not, its stating what Talksport modus operandi is and why we don't listen to it
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It’s funny then, how millions of listeners tune into Talksport every day? They must be doing something right to retain a massive audience like that?Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:34 pmIts not, its stating what Talksport modus operandi is and why we don't listen to it
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I might be mistaken but don’t all white vans come with it pre-tuned?
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Millions tune into stuff I don't watch or listen to
It works for them, but lets not pretend its a serious sports discussion show because it isn't
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Hawksbee and Jacobs are still on.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:27 pmCorrect years ago used to listen to Hawksbee n Jacobs at least it was a bit intelligent in parts don't think even they are on together anymore.
Now some of the esteemed presenters are Jim White, Darren Gough, Trevor Sinclair (least he is probably sober on there and not being racist to coppers or pi**ing his pants) Adrian Durham amd Jamie O Hara it is like you have to be a bit thick to get a gig on there
Darren Gough has left to take over Yorkshire County Cricket, I think Darren Bent has replaced him on Drive.
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The same Darren Bent who tacitly implied that Sean Dyche was a racist as a reason for playing no black players, and then grudgingly apologised to Dwight McNeil after being informed he was mixed race.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:14 pmHawksbee and Jacobs are still on.
Darren Gough has left to take over Yorkshire County Cricket, I think Darren Bent has replaced him on Drive.
Guys a tool, well suited to a seat at the side of Durham!
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GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:14 pmHawksbee and Jacobs are still on.
Darren Gough has left to take over Yorkshire County Cricket, I think Darren Bent has replaced him on Drive.
Ahh I have put it on in the past during those hours and someone different has been on.
I have seen Darren Bent cover a game on sky in the studio and he struggled, radio seems a fair jump for him to be suitable for.
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Which bit of the criticism is constructive?Jamesy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:14 pmErm, lots of respected people in the game are happy to be interviewed by talksport. Additionally lots of people of sound mind listen to it.
I think the issue here is let’s attack any media that try and constructively criticise our club, our ownership, our transfer policy, our playing style etc. We are bottom of the league with a poor ageing squad, many of them soon to be out of contract. We have just sold our centre forward to a relegation rival and any decent signings during this window look unlikely. On top of that we have new venture capitalist owners who appear to be struggling to raise additional funds. Of course the media are going to be scrutinising goings on at BFC. I would be disappointed if they weren’t.
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It’s well within their remit to try to engage with all clubs to discuss football that’s why some people tune in to listen to them. If everybody refused to engage with them you wouldn’t have much of a show, credit to the owners that do appear & keep the fans informed.
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You should give The Press Pass or Trans Europe Express shows a try then. There is also some good stuff on TS2, especially cover the Football League. The powers that be seem to be reducing the amount of shouty false polar views between presenters style, and adopting more light entertainment broadcasting hence the recent additions of Laura Woods, Ali McCoist, Jamie O'Hara and more daytime exposure of Andy Goldstein and Jason Cundy. Durham has been shunted off to introducing evening matches and Saturday results reporting. His show with Darren Gough was unlistenable in the end, whereas Goldstein and Bent are actually quite funny together.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:46 pmMillions tune into stuff I don't watch or listen to
It works for them, but lets not pretend its a serious sports discussion show because it isn't
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Well he won't have to worry about that as there's F all good news to share.SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:14 amYes I’m sure Talksport is precisely where Pace thinks he should be sharing any good news.
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and super fan Garlick agreed to it allKRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:01 amSilence is deafening, has Pace even addressed anything about Wood leaving?
I'm not sure why fans like Sidney were so happy with the way this takeover was structured, incredibly detrimental to our finances, sucking finance out of the club to finance ALK debts, was an incredible risk.
Using the clubs TV money income and finance from selling players (who were here before ALK arrived) is a disgusting filthy way to takeover a club.
Simon Jordan just ripped them apart, ALK refused to show up and be interviewed.
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I doubt that he would have been had he known it would come to this.
Don't forget, he may have to pick up the reins.
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So we accept that Mr Pace and ALK are on the level....
So why are Talksport and some newspapers implying the opposite?
So why are Talksport and some newspapers implying the opposite?
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So we are now taking talksport as the truth? Heavens above. Its primary aim is to stir things up to provoke discussion. The mail has a story that they could have read off this message board.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:00 pmSo we accept that Mr Pace and ALK are on the level....
So why are Talksport and some newspapers implying the opposite?
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I didn't say that they were telling the truth, did I?
I asked a question: why are certain elements of the media casting doubt on our new owners?
And don't tell me they get their info from this MB.
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Because its slow news day. I'm not saying they did get their news from here. I suggested they may as well have done. It's old news.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:06 pmI didn't say that they were telling the truth, did I?
I asked a question: why are certain elements of the media casting doubt on our new owners?
And don't tell me they get their info from this MB.
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So you think that's the reason? Fair enough if you do.
TBH, it's not the first time TalkSpurt have had a bit of a go at our new owners.
I'm sure that if they were looking at a topic for no better reason than to wind up fans they'd pick a club with a larger fan base.
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Actually instead of guessing & spouting try reading what he has said, as for Simon Jordan you might want to look at the accounts of Simon Jordans time at Crystal Palace, absolute chaos, i live near Marbella & know about his finance dealings here, so read facts & if you don’t know them don’t comment.
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None of your Guardian reading lot driving white vans then?arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:40 pmI might be mistaken but don’t all white vans come with it pre-tuned?
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Exactly it appears incredibly strange why talkSPORT have a beef with AP/ALK & seemingly nobody else well not to this degree anyhow. Smoke & fire are the 2 jump out words that appear.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:24 pmSo you think that's the reason? Fair enough if you do.
TBH, it's not the first time TalkSpurt have had a bit of a go at our new owners.
I'm sure that if they were looking at a topic for no better reason than to wind up fans they'd pick a club with a larger fan base.
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Yes, he said what any intelligent person would say and that is it is a concerning deal and Burnley fans should be concerned. For the simple reason that while clubs like Manchester United have a fairly stable revenue stream and can generate lots of cash Burnley has a higher risk of relegation and that raises the risk involved in a leveraged buyout. In other words as long as you are making money you have enough to fund the buyout but there is nothing more likely to reduce the clubs revenue than relegation.
He seemed fairly knowledgeable, knows who Mike Garlick is and overall seems to be genuinely concerned for the club Or at least as much a anyone who has no reason to be concerned could be.
Possibly two controversial points, firstly he found the whole idea of Scouting apps and AI pretty amusing but more importantly he continues to allege that the Wood transfer clause was due up in the summer and having read Burnley's statement he felt it was a bit vague, which re-enforced his view.
It seems unlikely to me that ALK has reneged on payments or the Chris Wood release clause was due up in the summer. It also seems unlikely that Burnley sold Wood due to finance problems; however, much of what he said still made sense.
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Some distinct differences appear between the 2 videos upon selling wood when he alleges the release clause was effective in the summer it was a somebody that had told him, the 2nd video talking about Andy Carroll it later emerges that people in & about football have been telling him about the release clause, so it initially started off with a somebody solely & then more people of a undetermined number.ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:20 pmYes, he said what any intelligent person would say and that is it is a concerning deal and Burnley fans should be concerned. For the simple reason that while clubs like Manchester United have a fairly stable revenue stream and can generate lots of cash Burnley has a higher risk of relegation and that raises the risk involved in a leveraged buyout. In other words as long as you are making money you have enough to fund the buyout but there is nothing more likely to reduce the clubs revenue than relegation.
He seemed fairly knowledgeable, knows who Mike Garlick is and overall seems to be genuinely concerned for the club Or at least as much a anyone who has no reason to be concerned could be.
Possibly two controversial points, firstly he found the whole idea of Scouting apps and AI pretty amusing but more importantly he continues to allege that the Wood transfer clause was due up in the summer and having read Burnley's statement he felt it was a bit vague, which re-enforced his view.
It seems unlikely to me that ALK has reneged on payments or the Chris Wood release clause was due up in the summer. It also seems unlikely that Burnley sold Wood due to finance problems; however, much of what he said still made sense.
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The highlight of Jordan’s life, his greatest achievement even, is that he lost £40m taking Crystal Palace into administration.
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You would still swap your wealth with him.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:33 pmThe highlight of Jordan’s life, his greatest achievement even, is that he lost £40m taking Crystal Palace into administration.
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I didn't hear the Andy Carroll but but I think you have to differentiate between making concrete statements about a contract and a general view on leveraged buyouts.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:29 pmSome distinct differences appear between the 2 videos upon selling wood when he alleges the release clause was effective in the summer it was a somebody that had told him, the 2nd video talking about Andy Carroll it later emerges that people in & about football have been telling him about the release clause, so it initially started off with a somebody solely & then more people of a undetermined number.
And by the sound of it - it's more like football gossip as opposed to being told by someone in the know.
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To be fair to SJ, all he was saying was the leveraged takeover was ok at clubs like Man U because they know what is coming thru the door money wise. And although the Burnley buyout is a lot less, the worry is trying to service it with the small revenue we get....and I personally think he bang on the money. Pace and his money men are a year in, and where is the investment they promised.
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Well they had a bit of a war chest when they took over so they either haven't been able to find the right players with the AI or they haven't wanted to invest in the squad when it was (as it turned out) clearly required.ewanrob wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:42 pmTo be fair to SJ, all he was saying was the leveraged takeover was ok at clubs like Man U because they know what is coming thru the door money wise. And although the Burnley buyout is a lot less, the worry is trying to service it with the small revenue we get....and I personally think he bang on the money. Pace and his money men are a year in, and where is the investment they promised.
I am not against ALK or Pace merely trying to represent the facts as best I can. Prior to Wood leaving we had won 1 game in 17 and even with the spend at the beginning of the year, if you can believe the various transfer web sites, there has been a virtually zero net spend over the last three years.
For the record I would have guessed we would be ok this year with the quality transfers we made in September but I don't have the money or temperament to buy community based football clubs.
Overall Jordan used the word "concerned" and that seems just about appropriate for any sensible Burnley fan.
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Possibly, but I’m very happy with the wealth I’ve got, a bit more wouldn’t make a huge amount of difference to my lifestyle.
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It's getting almost hysterical at the moment.
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Tricky questions?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:06 amPeople who don’t like answering tricky questions & have got things to hide I think.
They are hardly Paxman are they?
Talk sport is an absolute joke of a station. It’s like loose women, but on the radio and staffed by the old boys network.
If a talk sport presenter told me it was raining outside, I’d open the door and check for myself.
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