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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:16 pm

According to a study…

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... arch-finds

Wonder if they’ve been on here during the course of their research!

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:19 pm

"The fans who held openly misogynistic attitudes towards women's sport saw it as inferior to men's sport, particularly in relation to football"


:D :D saying it is inferior is correct. Crowds of under 1000 in the top division of the women's game proves it isn't as popular as people wish to believe.

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Post by Volvoclaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:20 pm

Durham University, full of big girls blouses
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Post by 2 Bee Holed » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:27 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:16 pm
According to a study…

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... arch-finds

Wonder if they’ve been on here during the course of their research!
No it isn't darling.

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Post by Rowls » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:35 pm

Women's football is not as good as men's football. This is self evident.

It doesn't detract from the spectacle, but it does mean it's not as good. Just as I'd prefer to watch an average Premier League game compared to an average Conference level game, I prefer to watch men's football to women's football.

Women's football has a completely different dynamic and I very much enjoy it. But it would be interesting to know if the above would be considered "misogynistic" by the compilers of this latest study.

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Post by basil6345789 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:08 pm

Determining just what is and is not misogynistic is going to be so very important when the law changes to include it as a hate crime. In order not to breach equality legislation misandrism (women hating men) will have to be the same. By definition feminists are misandrists. Add into that transgender people and it's going to be a minefield sorting out who's said what and it's status when someone complains about someone else saying something. The legal eagles will have a field day.

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Post by Bosscat » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:14 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:08 pm
Determining just what is and is not misogynistic is going to be so very important when the law changes to include it as a hate crime. In order not to breach equality legislation misandrism (women hating men) will have to be the same. By definition feminists are misandrists. Add into that transgender people and it's going to be a minefield sorting out who's said what and it's status when someone complains about someone else saying something. The legal eagles will have a field day.
Bet they are rubbing their grubby little paws as we type basil 😉

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Post by ClaretDiver » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:14 pm

I stopped reading the minute I saw the words Durham University…..

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:15 pm

The study, funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Council (AHRC), is published in the academic journal Sociology and was led by Durham University with researchers at the University of Leicester and University of South Australia.

It surveyed 1,950 male football fans who responded to a call for participants on 150 UK online forums.
Was the survey shared on here originally?

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Post by joey13 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:31 pm

I thought the ironing thread on here was very misogynistic

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Post by aclaretinstevenage » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:53 pm

Misogynist - a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.

I think womens "football" is crap personally. However I certainly don't dislike or despise women nor am I strongly prejudiced against them. I am a huge fan of my wife and my two daughters, I don't always agree with what they think,believe or even do but that's just the way life is.

One of the issues of modern life here in that if we dislike something and say so there's a group somewhere who will see some kind of offence and accuse us of being some kind of "ist".
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Post by bfcjg » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:55 pm

Birds are welcome on this forum, we all need ironing tips in case your missus has covid and you are going out to the pub and she hasn't ironed your shirt .
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Post by claret2018 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:56 pm

You only need to read any thread that mentions female commentators on here to know the report is right.

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Post by claptrappers_union » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:00 pm

- The fans who held openly misogynistic attitudes towards women's sport saw it as inferior to men's sport, particularly in relation to football.

In football it is, thats a fact. But for the sake of my opinion, League Two and Conference League football is better quality than WSL... but you're not allowed to say it with being called out on it.

- There was also extreme hostility towards increasing media coverage of women's sport, which was seen as "positive discrimination" or "PC nonsense".

It is, Sky are actually 'polishing a turd' when it come to women's football. They are hypocrites too. They could do a whole show on Sky Sports News or on Monday Night Football analysing the downfall of Dele Alli, the defensive decisions of Harry Maguire or a has-been manager like José Mourinho. They wouldn't dare give the same coverage about a professional female in the women's game.

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Post by NottsClaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:01 pm

Hardly news. Just looking at this board, it is indeed rife with misogyny. Mostly from some very fragile male egos.

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Post by RMutt » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 pm

Funny women’s football, it must be one of the rare sports that constantly gets compared to the male equivalent. When everyone was lauding Raducanu there weren’t many saying, ‘Yes but she’s no Andy Murray is she?’

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Post by HahaYeah » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:10 pm

Womens football is crap because they have smaller feet - which on a lighter note enables them to get closer to the cooker.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:15 pm

https://www.sportbible.com/football/new ... 0-20210113

This game to me demonstrates the level of women’s football.

I don’t watch it, I did try once, but it has no interest due to the level played.

I also turn off when women are pundits, I just find I end up disagreeing with what they are saying.

The article is probably reporting on opinions like mine, but I don’t dislike women at all.

I mentored several apprentice girls who became excellent engineers.

Surely it’s my freedom of choice who I watch or listen to.

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Post by tarkys_ears » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:18 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:56 pm
You only need to read any thread that mentions female commentators on here to know the report is right.
You've sadly only got to listen to any female commentator to know they're right.

I seem to recall the slagging off of nearly every male commentator we get too. Whats the word for that? Oh... "equality"

Sorry to hurt your feelings, love.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:19 pm

RMutt wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 pm
Funny women’s football, it must be one of the rare sports that constantly gets compared to the male equivalent. When everyone was lauding Raducanu there weren’t many saying, ‘Yes but she’s no Andy Murray is she?’
I did watch her semi final and final, both were very entertaining matches. It’s a shame she hasn’t been able to repeat those heights of performance again so far. Hopefully she will.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:19 pm

I don't think much of the quality of women's football.
Does that make me a misogynist?

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Post by bobinho » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:20 pm

Although the quality is lacking somewhat compared to the men’s professional game, having watched a little women’s football, is it also fair to say they play the game with more honour and integrity than the men’s professional game?

That for me is refreshing to see, and I think it improves the watch. Will it go the same way as the men’s game? Undoubtedly, if and when the money turns up.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:27 pm

bobinho wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:20 pm
Although the quality is lacking somewhat compared to the men’s professional game, having watched a little women’s football, is it also fair to say they play the game with more honour and integrity than the men’s professional game?

That for me is refreshing to see, and I think it improves the watch. Will it go the same way as the men’s game? Undoubtedly, if and when the money turns up.

Have you seen the "highlights" of BFC vs Sheffield Utd?

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Post by bobinho » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:29 pm

RMutt wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 pm
Funny women’s football, it must be one of the rare sports that constantly gets compared to the male equivalent. When everyone was lauding Raducanu there weren’t many saying, ‘Yes but she’s no Andy Murray is she?’
The gulf in class between your chosen sports and participants doesn’t add anything to your point I’m afraid. Murray would probably beat Raducanu, but she’d take games without a doubt. I think she’d lose but it wouldn’t be as clear cut as Man City men beating Man City women. The girls would lose by at least 20 goals (maybe considerably more) and wouldn’t score against the men at all. All hypothetical of course but it’s what I believe we would see.

There are of course sports that women and men should be able to compete at on a level playing field. Darts and snooker to name but two, but there will be more obviously.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:33 pm

bobinho wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:29 pm
The gulf in class between your chosen sports and participants doesn’t add anything to your point I’m afraid. Murray would probably beat Raducanu, but she’d take games without a doubt. I think she’d lose but it wouldn’t be as clear cut as Man City men beating Man City women. The girls would lose by at least 20 goals (maybe considerably more) and wouldn’t score against the men at all. All hypothetical of course but it’s what I believe we would see.

There are of course sports that women and men should be able to compete at on a level playing field. Darts and snooker to name but two, but there will be more obviously.
Maybe you didn’t look at my link.
Brazil woman’s national side played an under 16 lads team of a pro club. They lost 6-0. Under 16’s lads will beat a national side, it’s just how it is.

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Post by RalphCoatesComb » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:38 pm

Misogyny? Is he the Croatian that we're after?

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Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:39 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:56 pm
You only need to read any thread that mentions female commentators on here to know the report is right.
Why, does the report say that female commentators are not very good?

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Post by claptrappers_union » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:43 pm

RMutt wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 pm
Funny women’s football, it must be one of the rare sports that constantly gets compared to the male equivalent. When everyone was lauding Raducanu there weren’t many saying, ‘Yes but she’s no Andy Murray is she?’
You make a good point, but it's reasonable to say that within the context of what it is meant in...

I don't think there is anything wrong in saying, "I don't like watching women's tennis because the quality is inferior to mens tennis' (Not that I like tennis)

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Post by expoultryboy » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:50 pm

I'll level it up claret2018 , jermaine jenas is worse than any female commentator (at everything) .

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Post by bobinho » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:54 pm

Sorry lowbank I didn’t. Have now.

We should be free to watch what we want without risk of being singled out or shamed, unless of course the reason you choose not to watch something is for no other reason than there are females involved. Surely we are past all that aren’t we?

I currently mentor some fabricating apprentices. One of them is a girl. She is absolutely fantastic, wish I had more like her.

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Post by bobinho » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:02 pm

I suppose it just comes down to the quality. The quality of what we watch is important to us. That’s why I watch MotoGP bike racing ahead of the sv650 cup. That’s why I watch the PDC ahead of the BDO. That’s why I watch the world snooker championship instead of my brother knocking in a 17 break down the club.

Football is my main sport. As I mentioned earlier, women’s football has only one advantage over the men’s professional game. Less cheating.

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Post by dsr » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:03 pm

bobinho wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:29 pm
The gulf in class between your chosen sports and participants doesn’t add anything to your point I’m afraid. Murray would probably beat Raducanu, but she’d take games without a doubt. I think she’d lose but it wouldn’t be as clear cut as Man City men beating Man City women. The girls would lose by at least 20 goals (maybe considerably more) and wouldn’t score against the men at all. All hypothetical of course but it’s what I believe we would see.

There are of course sports that women and men should be able to compete at on a level playing field. Darts and snooker to name but two, but there will be more obviously.
Murray would certainly beat Raducanu, and if it wasn't 6-0 6-0 I'd fall over backwards. He hits the ball too hard and covers too much ground. Someone suggested a few years back that Serena Williams should play Djokovic and she laughed at the idea. She said she wouldn't win a game.

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Post by NottsClaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:05 pm

Not wishing to watch women's football isn't misogyny by the way, that's not what the report is saying.

But rather the way women are talked about - often on here and among football fans more generally - it makes you think this board's users are 90% spotty virgins or divorced dads blaming women for everything. For what it's worth, I don't watch much women's football, which it is possible to do without crying about every article or highlights package you happen to see.
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Post by RMutt » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:11 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:43 pm
You make a good point, but it's reasonable to say that within the context of what it is meant in...

I don't think there is anything wrong in saying, "I don't like watching women's tennis because the quality is inferior to mens tennis' (Not that I like tennis)
I think you and bobinho both sort of proved my point.(sorry bobinho I haven’t learnt how to do the multiple quote thing yet!) That is, there are very few other sports that get the men’s version compared to the women’s version. I don’t like tennis either, men or women’s type!

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:16 pm

To add some balance from myself.
I did watch Fallon Sherrock in the darts the other year. I thought she played brilliantly. I do think there are sports where gender does not matter. Darts being one.
Hopefully more women take up Darts and get to her level.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:25 pm

expoultryboy wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:50 pm
I'll level it up claret2018 , jermaine jenas is worse than any female commentator (at everything) .
You're going to get really upset if he takes over from Gary as MOTD host..

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Post by Spiral » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:03 pm

I love this:

Co-author John Williams, from the University of Leicester, said: "The increase in media coverage of women's sport on both the BBC and subscription channels was openly supported by some men.

"But it also clearly represents, for others, a visible threat - an attack on football as an arena for 'doing' masculinity."


Or in other words, footy blokes feeling as though their safe space is being invaded. Bit snowflakey, that, if you ask me.

It's not as though a dislike of women's football is in-and-of-itself misogynistic, it's the hostile nonsense that often accompanies that expressed dislike which is misogynistic (look at the side-splitting cooking and cleaning jokes on this thread). Saying you don't like women's football is about as uncontroversial as saying you don't like haggis, but if that sincere dislike of haggis becomes the inspiration, the springboard for some unhinged anti-Scot diatribe then there's a bigger issue here than the taste of haggis.

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Post by Dy1geo » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:10 pm

Just because I don’t watch women’s football outside of the international tournaments doesn’t make me misogynistic, I don’t watch it because it’s generally poor to watch.
With regards Commentators you can criticise female ones if you think there tone doesn’t suit the game but I will also have a moan at male ones as well.

Talent will come through, I find Emma Hayes an excellent pundit, Claire Balding an excellent presenter and in Horse Racing more and more female jockeys are breaking through.

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Post by Spiral » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:23 pm

The study didn't find that a dislike of women's football was misogynistic. It found that footy messageboards can be sexist as fk. Nobody needs to defend themslelves by saying 'disliking women's football isn't misogynistic,' because nobody is making that accusation.

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Post by AfloatinClaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:28 pm

Discrimination and/or persecution, be they on the basis of gender, age, race, religion, sexual preference, politics or anything else has no place in this world...

Except for the Welsh, I do accept to there being a special exception for the Welsh; oh and Leeds, Wolves and Rovers fans too. but that's more 'fair comment' than discrimination.

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Post by Dy1geo » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:32 pm

Spiral wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:23 pm
The study didn't find that a dislike of women's football was misogynistic. It found that footy messageboards can be sexist as fk. Nobody needs to defend themslelves by saying 'disliking women's football isn't misogynistic,' because nobody is making that accusation.
The line I got out of it was

“The fans who held openly misogynistic attitudes towards women's sport saw it as inferior to men's sport, particularly in relation to football.”

They need to define what a misogynistic attitude to women’s sport actually is. I do think some women’s sport is inferior to men’s so by saying that they are labelling me as a misogynist.

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Post by claretandbluesky » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:34 pm

Think misandry is alive and well but not worthy of research.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:40 pm

I'll ask the Mrs what she thinks...

When she's done me tea and finished the housework :D

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Post by Spiral » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:42 pm

Dy1geo wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:32 pm
The line I got out of it was

“The fans who held openly misogynistic attitudes towards women's sport saw it as inferior to men's sport, particularly in relation to football.”

They need to define what a misogynistic attitude to women’s sport actually is. I do think some women’s sport is inferior to men’s so by saying that they are labelling me as a misogynist.
No, there's a bit of a misunderstanding there. If you look again at the sentence you've quoted, that exact sentence does not assert that a dislike for women's football is misogynistic. The sentence proposes that in those who express misogynistic views, their expressed dislike of women's football is predicated on their sexism. There's a sharp distinction between those two things which can seem blurred with an unclear reading of the sentence you've quoted.

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Post by Spiral » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:49 pm

Actually let me add to that. I do actually agree with you that a clearer definition of what 'misogynistic attitudes towards women's sport' means would be helpful, but it seems from the article reporting on the study (which doesn't seem to be linked to in the SSN article) that it in no way argues that a dislike of women's sport = misogyny.
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:49 pm

Dy1geo wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:10 pm
Just because I don’t watch women’s football outside of the international tournaments doesn’t make me misogynistic, I don’t watch it because it’s generally poor to watch.
With regards Commentators you can criticise female ones if you think there tone doesn’t suit the game but I will also have a moan at male ones as well.

Talent will come through, I find Emma Hayes an excellent pundit, Claire Balding an excellent presenter and in Horse Racing more and more female jockeys are breaking through.
Now horse racing is a good one.
My first wife was horse mad and her best mates parent had loads of dosh.
They always had a horse in trading with mr Berry.
Me and her best mate hubby went for a game of golf as the girls went for a horse ride.
My missus appeared near the golf course the horse was bucking and getting really wound up. Not being a horsey person I was like WTF. Now Patrick he’d known her from when she was young lass and he told she was doing it on purpose to wind up the horse.
She was on a horse and hope I spell it correct, Rubinka, think she came 2nd in a 1.4 furlong race, but had a good pedigree.
There was a mile long field which she turned the horse into and then she let it go.
In that first half mile I saw it was her adrenaline rush, as motorbikes were mine.

Could she have been a jockey, well light enough and crazy for speed on a horse. Plus she certainly understood horses.
Patrick won several pure Arab races, so knew his horses.
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Re: Misogyny rife of football messageboards

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:01 pm

Spiral wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:23 pm
The study didn't find that a dislike of women's football was misogynistic. It found that footy messageboards can be sexist as fk. Nobody needs to defend themslelves by saying 'disliking women's football isn't misogynistic,' because nobody is making that accusation.
It's clear as day on here when Emma Hayes, Chelsea's WSL manager, is added to the conversation about available jobs in men's football :lol:

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Re: Misogyny rife of football messageboards

Post by timshorts » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:05 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:03 pm
Murray would certainly beat Raducanu, and if it wasn't 6-0 6-0 I'd fall over backwards. He hits the ball too hard and covers too much ground. Someone suggested a few years back that Serena Williams should play Djokovic and she laughed at the idea. She said she wouldn't win a game.
That's why women's tennis is more fun to watch - as long as you don't get one that makes that artificial moaning noise all the time.
When it turns into "who can serve the hardest" it's lost pretty much the only thing that almost stops it from being a bore fest.

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Re: Misogyny rife of football messageboards

Post by timshorts » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:07 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:01 pm
It's clear as day on here when Emma Hayes, Chelsea's WSL manager, is added to the conversation about available jobs in men's football :lol:
There are a lot of clubs I'd happily see her manage. It's her voice that grates. It's got nothing to do with her being a woman. The man in the cinch adverts taking about mo-uhs is just as bad
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Re: Misogyny rife of football messageboards

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:16 pm

bobinho wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:29 pm
. Murray would probably beat Raducanu, but she’d take games without a doubt.
She would not even get close to taking a game off him, unless he was drunk playing with his left hand.

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