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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by matttheclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:14 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:09 pm
To be fair when he burst onto the scene at 19 years old, scoring and assisting plus was in the 21s side, it looked like he had a big future. The player of back then scores or assists in the first half today.
Biggest disappointment I have with McNeil is that he's no better player now at 22 than he was when he broke through three years ago. For someone who has played over 100 PL games now, I'd have expected him to really have kicked on with his game.

He's gone backwards if anything though. 0 goals and 1 assist this season isn't it? Nowhere near good enough.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:12 pm
He's been ran into the ground and has absolutely zero confidence because of it. Top 5 in the league in the tackles chart, he's one of the players you will see improve dramatically with a new manager in.
‘Top 5 in the league on tackles’. He’s a winger, he’s got 1 assist all season.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by KefkaClaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:15 pm

He's a wing back, too one-footed to be a winger.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:15 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:09 pm
To be fair to McNeil, he’s had and has a lot of expectation put on him ever since he broke into the team. It’s a lot for a young lad and he’s not helped by there being so few options - either to give him a spell on the sidelines or to share the creative requirements on the pitch.

We all know that there’s a damn good player in there, he’s shown as much on plenty of occasions. He will come good again but at the moment he does look devoid of confidence.

Him getting dogs abuse from the stands won’t help him or the team.
He was fine first half. Missed the big chance but was causing problems nonetheless. Surprised by the vitriol when there were clearly bigger issues. Westwood did nothing all game. Failed to keep possession, behind play constantly and no challenges from him. Think it was misdirected today.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by KRBFC » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:16 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:15 pm
‘Top 5 in the league on tackles’. He’s a winger, he’s got 1 assist all season.
Who's fault is it that Mcneil's top 5 for tackles in the league?

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:16 pm

I'm not overly bothered if a player tries to beat a man and can't, tries a pass and fails - I can't have a player giving up when he does either of those things though. He did it 3 times.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:16 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:16 pm
Who's fault is it that Mcneil's top 5 for tackles in the league?
The manager that’s immune to criticism.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by buzzclarets79 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:17 pm

Second goal just slowly walking back, not a care in the world, which meant Tarks had to come across to help cover, leaving a massive gap in the centre.

When through in the first half, although he mis-controlled it, he just gave up on it, didn’t fight for it, Jay Rod did and got the ball back.

Think we lump extra expectations on him as he as seen as our creator, but that says more about the squads ability to create than how good McNeil is.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:18 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:09 pm
To be fair to McNeil, he’s had and has a lot of expectation put on him ever since he broke into the team. It’s a lot for a young lad and he’s not helped by there being so few options - either to give him a spell on the sidelines or to share the creative requirements on the pitch.

We all know that there’s a damn good player in there, he’s shown as much on plenty of occasions. He will come good again but at the moment he does look devoid of confidence.

Him getting dogs abuse from the stands won’t help him or the team.
Spot on !

But he is a well paid professional footballer who had a bad game, by anyone's standards, today

Supporters help to pay his wages and are therefore within their rights to give him some personal criticism for that performance (and he wasn't the only one to blame)

It's up to Dwight to put that "abuse" behind him and strive to come back and win the same people back over to his side

Next Saturday is the perfect opportunity

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by KRBFC » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:19 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:16 pm
I'm not overly bothered if a player tries to beat a man and can't, tries a pass and fails - I can't have a player giving up when he does either of those things though. He did it 3 times.
He doesn't look like he's enjoying playing for us at all, does he? his facial expressions and body language just screams boredom and shot to pieces of any confidence. Maybe he's in the same mental comfort zone as Chris Wood.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:23 pm

matttheclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:14 pm
Biggest disappointment I have with McNeil is that he's no better player now at 22 than he was when he broke through three years ago. For someone who has played over 100 PL games now, I'd have expected him to really have kicked on with his game.

He's gone backwards if anything though. 0 goals and 1 assist this season isn't it? Nowhere near good enough.
so what do you put that down to?

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:23 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:19 pm
He doesn't look like he's enjoying playing for us at all, does he? his facial expressions and body language just screams boredom and shot to pieces of any confidence. Maybe he's in the same mental comfort zone as Chris Wood.
possibly but either way I'll never excuse a player giving up, doesn't matter if it's a Sunday league player or a PL player - look how hard City work with their talent. It's inexcusable
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:24 pm

He shouldn't put on the Burnley shirt again this season, he needs resting, he needs to get his head straight.

Maxwel and Lennon out wide, Weghorst and Rodriguez up front.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:25 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:24 pm
He shouldn't put on the Burnley shirt again this season, he needs resting, he needs to get his head straight.

Maxwel and Lennon out wide, Weghorst and Rodriguez up front.
I agree on most of that, but that’s two strikers that don’t score goals. We need a tactical change massively

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Claret3495 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:28 pm

Wants docking a weeks wages for his **** poor attitude. Pathetic.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:29 pm

I think since he came into the team as a bright, young attacking talent with massive potential, he has adapted perfectly to our defensive framework.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:29 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:25 pm
I agree on most of that, but that’s two strikers that don’t score goals. We need a tactical change massively
No one else to play up front than these two, Vydra out Barnes league one level.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:30 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:09 pm
He's a 22 yr old professional football player
So what?

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by BleedingClaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:30 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:29 pm
I think since he came into the team as a bright, young attacking talent with massive potential, he has adapted perfectly to our defensive framework.
That would be him improving
He doesn’t track back

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:45 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:13 pm
There is no excuses for a premier league footballer to miss the chance he missed today.
There are.

But what there is no excuse for is giving up on a ball in the first half, where another Claret player ( forgot who) who was further away, managed to get to .

Pull your f***ing finger out Dwight, and stop f***ing sulking.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Denno97 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:02 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:15 pm
‘Top 5 in the league on tackles’. He’s a winger, he’s got 1 assist all season.
Our wingers are glorified full backs. He’s fits the framework like a glove

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by matttheclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:10 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:23 pm
so what do you put that down to?
Good question

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:15 pm

There’s a reason no club has any interest in DM . He is terribly one footed , average crosser at best, terrible ball retention , can’t shoot , can’t score , weak as a kitten in the challenge .
That said he’s ( cornet aside ) our only real creative outlet

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:23 pm

He's being dragged back by Dycheball.

Look at how Cornet started now look where he ends up most of the time - back defending.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:26 pm

Needs a rocket up his ass unfortunately . He has been fantastic for us and anybody who says otherwise Is kidding themselves, however throwing his arms in the air every time he loses the ball, not tracking back, and even giving up on his own dribble today in the opposition box is screaming either a lack of belief or that his head isn’t in it anymore . I hope he can prove me wrong but I don’t think the fight is quite there with him at the moment.

The supporters getting on his back will not help - he actually needs egging on much more and supporting as he is clearly a confidence player.

Come on Dwight , head up, shoulders back and graft graft graft UTC

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:29 pm

Works hard, never hides and has to do all the creative stuff

Course, after a bad performance from the team, its always got to be one player at fault

It wouldn't be UTC if it wasn't

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:32 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:29 pm
Works hard, never hides and has to do all the creative stuff

Course, after a bad performance from the team, its always got to be one player at fault

It wouldn't be UTC if it wasn't
I think you'll find that writing this off as an UTC thing is not going to hold water

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by warksclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:32 pm

I blame the manager and coaches for the lack of guidance in what he should do. He is a young man still and needs encouragement , coaching and direction in the way he plays

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by RVclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:29 pm
Works hard, never hides and has to do all the creative stuff

Course, after a bad performance from the team, its always got to be one player at fault

It wouldn't be UTC if it wasn't
I don’t think it’s just UTC. Fans in the stadium were giving him quite a bit throughout. Even Dyche just alluded to it in his presser. Mainly due to when he gave up on chasing the ball a few times and made a lacklustre attempt at defending their first goal.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by LongSider75 » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:36 pm

Got to say, he is no better than average. Reminds me of Chris Eagles. Ties himself in knots and gives the ball away too often. No other left back would put up with his lack of disciplne. See ya !!

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:42 pm

Puts in the yards off the ball but with no intensity, which is why our left side is usually relentlessly targeted - although not so much since Roberts’ introduction.

Thought he’d turned a corner after being benched but maybe not. It’s a big problem as we are reliant on an in-form McNeil.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by daveisaclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:43 pm

Had some great touches in the first half, his body language is often awful but his football isn't. People way overreact to it.

I think the people who think he's a Championship standard player may be quite shocked if we are in that league next season when they see how crap the wingers are compared to our Dwight.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by helmclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:59 pm

The abuse he gets from his own fans is disgraceful.

He’s clearly a young player very low on confidence.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Long Time Lurker » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:04 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:13 pm
There is no excuses for a premier league footballer to miss the chance he missed today.
Premier league footballers miss those chances every day. He did well to quickly react to the unexpectedly poor punch out and bring the ball under control to permit a shot. Granted, he should have put it in the net, but it wasn't an easy chance given the reaction time involved and the bodies in front of him and around him.

On the other hand, the moment when he was charging forward and appeared to be struck down with indecision was a concern.

Likewise, and more of an issue, was when he actively switched off while Rodriguez was still challenging for the ball. Jay did really well to keep the ball in play, but McNeill was away with the fairies when the ball came towards him. Switching off while the ball is still in play is unacceptable at any level.

In terms of his overall performance I don't think Dwight was any worse than anyone else today. We had a really solid first half which could have put us ahead, where it not for a few players missing chances or fluffing the vital last pass. The teams went in at the end of that first half and like us fans they must have been optimistic about getting something against a top 6 club. Let us not forget a draw and a point against Chelsea is more than we have got from them in a long while.

I do think we also looked to be getting a little to cocky and overly sure of ourselves at times. At one point I recall Collins charging up the left of the pitch under the impression that he was our new winger. Eventually losing the ball after a storming run and then turning round with a big grin on his face. It was fun to watch, but how exactly does that play with the idea of " keeping our defensive shape ". Such a move made sense when he was at Stoke, playing as a right back, but as a PL centre back it is risky and dangerous.

Cometh the second half, cometh the collapse. Our players came out looking to ease into the second half. Chelsea switched it up a gear, hit us early, helped by some poor defending, and then we completely imploded ...... making it easy for them to score and score again.

That wasn't because Dwight was poor it was because all of our players were poor. They switched off as a unit and gave a dangerous team the space and freedom they needed to carve us apart.

A loss today was probably the most likely result, but the manner of the loss was a concern. I can see goal difference playing a part this season and shipping four won't help our cause. The first of those goals was down to complacency and the other three were down to a complete breakdown in confidence. We lost lost the mental battle with ourselves.

Hopefully the steam will focus on the good first half and the second half will hammer home the " don't switch off and don't take teams for granted " message that we obviously need to learn.

Pieters is injured, but he has done very well lately. However, one of the reason is that he doesn't range as far forward as Taylor does. That makes it easier for him to fulfil his defensive duties. Cornet looked defensively suspect when he played on the the left earlier in the season. I don't think playing the pair of them will make us defensively stronger than the Taylor/McNeill partnership and nor will it increase our ability to notch up the progressive distance, apply pressure and create more chances.

Playing McNeill out of position, on the right, definitely affected him this season. It didn't work and his performances on the right set the snowball rolling, making him a focus for the constant criticism he is now receiving. Criticism that is not wholly deserved. However, it bears repeating that our small tactical teaks in the first 18 games ( minus the one against Brentford ) made all of our players look crap. Dwight was simply one of may players who were under performing.

The last few games have shown us what we can do and how well our team can play when we focus on doing what we do best. That is largely down to using players in positions that correspond to their strengths. We have also done well to quickly respond to the added dimensions that Weghorst brings to the team and our pressing, midfield link up play, has benefitted hugely from his introduction.

We just need to keep our heads, focus on the task in hand, maintain our confidence and strive to win awkward. Normally, I would say win ugly, but I think we have played some good looking football in the last few matches. Having chipped off some of our heavy schedule burden, the lads will now have added the benefit of a bit more recovery time, which should help a small squad like ours.

Keeping our place in the top league is still a possibility now that we have got back to playing the way that works. Its just a shame that we decided to stick with our experimental tactical tweaks for so long instead or reverting back to what works earlier. Persisting with a system that didn't work until the Leeds match forced the issue made a difficult task a lot more difficult.

Stick with what works, focus on the good performances in the last few matches, maintain our belief, look to Lennon to progress the ball down the right as well as McNeill on the left ( which could make McNeill less of an obvious target, buying him more time and space ).

We also need to take into account that Wout can carry the ball forward ( although not at great speed ) which sometimes makes him a respectable option for early central passes to his feet instead of looking to float in crosses from deep all the time.

Weghorst gives us far more playing options than Wood did as we have already seen. On the whole we have done extremely well to adapt to him in such a short space of time and capitalise on the resulting advantages. However, I do think that McNeill could maybe look to integrate with Wout a touch more instead of always charging forward as he is obviously being asked to do. Racking up the progressive distance to push us up the field is good, it is important to keep it up, but occasionally other options can come into play that can be exploited to good effect.

Earlier in the season Dwight regularly drifted into the centre, the left striker stayed in the centre and our left flank was left dangerously exposed as a result. I would also like to see Dwight trying to come into the centre occasionally, but not as frequently as he was being asked to do earlier in the season, providing that Cornet or Rodriguez move out to the left as a means of temporarily filling in the resulting gap in our shape.

Out of the two I think Jay looks the better partner for Wout at the moment. Wood was acting as a nurse maid, holding the defenders off Cornet when he was with us. Wout is a lot more mobile than Wood, which makes it difficult for him to do that without sacrificing all of the positives he has added to our play. Arguably, that requirement also diminished the effectiveness of Wood, albeit to a lesser degree given his limited game.

Despite his obvious commitment to do well for us, and all of his positive technical qualities, Cornet does seem to suffer when he doesn't have a dedicated protection detail keeping the oppositions defenders off his back. For my likening, he seems to get pushed off the ball a little to easily at times. Improving his defensive game and his contributions off the ball would seem to be the key to unlocking the next level of development from Cornet. That would also make him even more effective in our system, whatever role he plays.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by helmclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:07 pm

There were quite a few worse than Dwight today.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Long Time Lurker » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:10 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 6:43 pm
Had some great touches in the first half, his body language is often awful but his football isn't. People way overreact to it.
Nods, his body language mirrors the way he runs. A good description would be languid. He doesn't look like a majestic sprinter, but he gets up and down the field to very good effect. It is the same with his overall demeanour, he simply lacks the joyously overt " look at me everyone " bells and whistles.

The thing is you don't need to be a flag waving picture of exuberance to be a good player and put in a good performance. That only applies to cheer leaders.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:11 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:24 pm
He shouldn't put on the Burnley shirt again this season, he needs resting, he needs to get his head straight.

Maxwel and Lennon out wide, Weghorst and Rodriguez up front.
Words fail me
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Elizabeth » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:28 pm

I've hoped all season that a goal would turn McNeil's game around but it is the time now to take him out of team. His confidence is at rock bottom and it's not doing the side any good. It was sad to see his pain as he held his head in hands for so long after that first half miss.
No amount of sympathy for him is going to help him or the team's situation over the next few months. We need players who look like they are going to fight on the field not mope around when things are going wrong.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:36 pm

The fans didn't boo him when he played crap, they booed him when he gave up, 3 times. I'm not having "he's young" - he's 22. The Premier League is full of players his age and younger.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by JohnMcGreal » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:39 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:05 pm
Cost us the game today
Rubbish.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:55 pm

He was one of our better players today despite having some dreadful moments and being low on confidence. He’s missing Wood and he’s a bit lost

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by RVclaret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:55 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:55 pm
He was one of our better players today despite having some dreadful moments and being low on confidence. He’s missing Wood and he’s a bit lost
Missing Wood? Eh?

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by burnleymik » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:59 pm

He had some great touches in the first half, but the end product was poor. He wasn't our worst player today.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by MrTopTier » Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:59 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:24 pm
He shouldn't put on the Burnley shirt again this season, he needs resting, he needs to get his head straight.
Ffs

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by claretspice » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:01 pm

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 5:17 pm
Second goal just slowly walking back, not a care in the world, which meant Tarks had to come across to help cover, leaving a massive gap in the centre.
This is fascinating. I read this and thought it bore no resemblance to the goal I watched, so I’ve gone and found it online and turns out I was right, this is utter tosh. It describes a counter attacking goal and it was nothing of the sort.

It actually started down our right. Lennon and Roberts doubled up on Mount (I think) so Westwood shuffled across to (sort of) engage the left wing back. At that point, the ball is 15 yards inside our half and we have 8 men behind the ball - including McNeil who far from ambling back has taken up a position ten yards to Brownhill’s left, as you’d expect. They’d both shuffled across to cover the gap left by Westwood which did leave more space out wide when the ball was switched to James, but we are playing Chelsea. Still, no great danger.

Taylor then goes to James as you’d expect, and Tarkowski does end up outside him - but nothing to do with McNeil, it’s all because Pulisic makes a run from the centre to the outside and Tarks has to go with him, stands him up initially but then doesn’t do enough to stop the cross, before Roberts makes a fatal step forwards leaving Mount and getting caught under the cross in one movement. Still, the header isn’t particularly threatening but Pope inexplicably misjudged it and it ends up ghosting in.

So - 3 or 4 players partly to blame, but absolutely none of them called Dwight. But then we’re just blaming for everything at the minute, creating a narrative that he’s not working hard (he is), confusing his disappointment and lack of confidence for a lack of effort (it’s the opposite - he’s trying too hard), ignoring the good things he did (like demanding the ball and never hiding, even when it’s obvious not everything is going his way. That’s real bravery on a football pitch.

Honestly, loads of Burnley fans today who starting raining down moans and groans at him need to evaluate what they’re trying to help the team achieve. McNeil isn’t at the top of his form, especially in front of goal, but he’s not doing badly and hes working hard, trying to get us playing and carrying a threat (more so than a few weeks ago as it happens). Why would you want to impact on the confidence of one of our best players, who Dyche has said is prone to taking stuff to heart, when our chances of survival depend on him performing well? How daft do you have to be?
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by burnleymik » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:03 pm

I am glad Dyche didn't sub him, wouldn't have done him any favours to get pelters. God move to protect him by Dyche.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:09 pm

He's a talent, but he's also (it appears) not hugely mentally strong. And why should he be tbf? He's a really young lad still and he's got a weight of expectation on his shoulders. Having said that, he missed a sitter first half when he and the team played well and after he missed it, his head hit the floor and never came back up and at the highest level, that's not acceptable unfortunately.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by agreenwood » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:12 pm

I think it’s possible to acknowledge he’s not been at his best for a while, without booing him or wanting him out of the club (see Twitter if you don’t think those fans exist).

We can either be patient and supportive of the youngest player in our starting XI (by some distance) or we can hammer him when he’s having a poor game/run of games. I think I know which of those two options is more likely to see him return to form and help the team.
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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:24 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:12 pm
I think it’s possible to acknowledge he’s not been at his best for a while, without booing him or wanting him out of the club (see Twitter if you don’t think those fans exist).

We can either be patient and supportive of the youngest player in our starting XI (by some distance) or we can hammer him when he’s having a poor game/run of games. I think I know which of those two options is more likely to see him return to form and help the team.
Well said.
He's been a shining light since he came in.

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Re: Dwight McNeil

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:24 pm

No time to read the thread,not been back long.

Anyway you look at it Dwight had a poor game, by his body language he knows it, so no point harping on it.
The skied sitter, the giving up when lost control, even when Wout won the loose ball, Dwight fluffed the chance to play in Lennon.
My biggest gripe was I thought he was at fault for the first goal. James couldn't have turned him inside out if he'd just stepped up and closed him down. Standing off just allowed James the space to score a great goal from Chelseas pov, but very poor from ours.

Imo his biggest issue is he overthinks it. You could see the Chelsea players just run and pass with ease. They walk in to space, where we run into it, and consequently struggle to control the ball.
Dwight isn't alone in overthinking it. Matej, Jay also suffer from trying too hard, and thinking too much.

Someone needs to talk to him, and stop putting so much pressure on himself.

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