Dyche out brigade…

[Billyblah]

Hmmm I see the likes of moaning Milltown and Murger have gone silent.

[Ric_C]

I've been buzzing since the game last night. Don't get why anyone would come on here and argue with fellow clarets after that?

I'm so happy we have turned a corner, and we have a manager who we can trust to do the business. We are also playing football again, and the players seem to be loving it.

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[Milltown1882]

Hmmm I see the likes of moaning Milltown and Murger have gone silent.

Can probably see my reply further up the post if you actually took a look.

[brexit]

Coyle was the best manager I have seen attractive football and 1.53 ppm Dyche mostly hoofball and 1.38 ppm.
The stats don't lie.

[superdimitri]

Coyle was the best manager I have seen attractive football and 1.53 ppm Dyche mostly hoofball and 1.38 ppm.
The stats don't lie.

You're comparing Coyles PPM including half a season in the premier league?

[brexit]

You're comparing Coyles PPM including half a season in the premier league?

of course I am - it is a valid statistic - remember the good old days when Coyle was god

[arise_sir_charge]

These threads do nothing more than highlight that fact that our fans are exactly the same as other fan groups throughout football.

The board is busier after an abject defeat…..see any football messageboard, Arsenal TV etc etc.

Look at the thread on here calling Brighton fans for being unhappy with Potter, the same Leicester with Rogers etc.

It’s football it’s an emotional business and if people, myself included felt that 1 win in 20 odd was unacceptable then they are entitled to say so, just as those that felt the manager would turn it around are also entitled to say so.

What I do find odd is that generally our upturns start when we change something and yet the manager always seems reluctant to make those changes.

Let’s hope the current form continues.

[ClaretMov]

Sticking by it?

YES

[BLH_Claret]

Sticking by it?

Love a post that ages magnificently.

[bobinho]

All it's all gone quiet over there!

Gonna be VERY noisy tonite Pete....

[thelaughingclaret]

Do people support Dyche or support the club?
The way some love Dyche it seems they support the manager more than the club itself! There is a reason why no other club has come in for Dyche over the years he has been here, and if you are unsure what that reason is just watch that game back again.

[ClaretAL]

I have been a staunch Dyche supporter, but I can't excuse what has just happened, and the credit in the bank has now gone. I think foe our sake and his sake he needs to go. I would like to see Wilder or Martinez in but I think our power to draw a good manager has just gone. It will be a massive rebuild project and Dyche is showing by his team selection and substitutions he just can't recycle a team for your. Massively sad day today for me

[Elizabeth]

Very difficult to feel good about a manager who selected certain players today
who should have been nowhere near starting and can't work out Cornet is not a striker

[arise_sir_charge]

What I do find odd is that generally our upturns start when we change something and yet the manager always seems reluctant to make those changes.

Let’s hope the current form continues.

Sadly, Dyche did what he does and reverted to type, went with his favourites and we’ve fallen part again.

Hopefully he’ll be forced to change midfield again soon and then we might pick up some points

[Newcastleclaret93]

It is quite funny that the OP felt the need to call out posters after two good performances.

Egg in multiple faces

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

very sad that 60-70 year old men want to suck him off after a win or two but there you go

[bobinho]

Sadly, Dyche did what he does and reverted to type, went with his favourites and we’ve fallen part again.

Hopefully he’ll be forced to change midfield again soon and then we might pick up some points

Strangely, some of our brightest upturns in form and performances have come when the changes have been forced upon us.

[jojomk1]

Strangely, some of our brightest upturns in form and performances have come when the changes have been forced upon us.

Exactly

Dyche just doesn't like to change otherwise - tactics or personnel

Hence Westwood straight back in after we take 7 points from 3 games when he is out or on the bench, as at Palace

And the following 3 results with Westwood starting are loss, loss, loss

[arise_sir_charge]

Read my posts, that’s EXACTLY my point,
Force a change and we win a few, give him options and we fall apart.

[Jamesy]

Exactly

Dyche just doesn't like to change otherwise - tactics or personnel

Hence Westwood straight back in after we take 7 points from 3 games when he is out or on the bench, as at Palace

And the following 3 results with Westwood starting are loss, loss, loss

I am aware many of us are frustrated and perhaps angry tonight. However before we totally assassinate Westwood please remember he has been one of our most consistent performing midfielders over the last five years in the Premier League. There is a good argument at present to start Cork ahead of him but let’s show him some respect.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

It’s all about opinions
What did Lowton do wrong for Roberts to start.
Some posters think Pieters is better than Taylor
Others think Taylor is better than Pieters
Jay Rod to start before Weghorst???
MacNeil to be rested???
Cornet wide or up front or on bench ????
Westwood or Cork
5 in midfield or 4 ???

All about opinions

[jojomk1]

The issue is not against Westwood as an individual

It is against an intransigent manager

Facts are there - we took 7 points from 3 games (2 away) with Cork and Brownhill as cm's

Dyche then brings Westwood back and we lose 3 games - and today was a classic example of a game we could/should have won

You can't carry on to defend the indefensible

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Was Westwood alone to be blamed for defeat or players missing a chance before they scored in 85 minute???

[Jamesy]

The issue is not against Westwood as an individual

It is against an intransigent manager

Facts are there - we took 7 points from 3 games (2 away) with Cork and Brownhill as cm's

Dyche then brings Westwood back and we lose 3 games - and today was a classic example of a game we could/should have won

You can't carry on to defend the indefensible

I’m not trying to defend the indefensible. You are correct it is down to Dyche. I was just pointing out that Westwood has been a very good player for us over the years.

[Vegas Claret]

I'm in the not fussed brigade. I won't be gutted if he stays or goes

[Newcastleclaret93]

I imagine the owners would be interested in the signing of someone like Biesla, it would help with the image

[brexit]

I love the anecdote then when he was interviewed it was the first time the board had seen a powerpoint presentation by a potential manager and he was seen as a young modern and forward thinking manager.
Laughable now

[brexit]

I love the anecdote then when he was interviewed it was the first time the board had seen a powerpoint presentation by a potential manager and he was seen as a young modern and forward thinking manager.
Laughable now

[Sheedyclaret]

I want him gone and have done for a while its abysmal and the club is stale to the core

[RalphCoatesComb]

I love the anecdote then when he was interviewed it was the first time the board had seen a powerpoint presentation by a potential manager and he was seen as a young modern and forward thinking manager.
Laughable now

So funny, you had to post it twice

[Dark Cloud]

Cork not playing after 2 victories when he started is totally indefensible (and I'm an SD fan!!) And why was Jay not brought on to play alongside Weghorst today when they have already shown a good understanding and looked dangerous together?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Was Westwood alone to be blamed for defeat or players missing a chance before they scored in 85 minute???

I’d love to see his passing to a teammate stats over the past 3 games!

[Vegas Claret]

Cork not playing after 2 victories when he started is totally indefensible (and I'm an SD fan!!) And why was Jay not brought on to play alongside Weghorst today when they have already shown a good understanding and looked dangerous together?

it's truly unfathomable.

Nailed on he'll play Cork against City and then drop him for the winnable games

[Rileybobs]

Cork not playing after 2 victories when he started is totally indefensible (and I'm an SD fan!!) And why was Jay not brought on to play alongside Weghorst today when they have already shown a good understanding and looked dangerous together?

Just to add some balance, and fact, Cork wasn’t dropped after two defeats - he started against Crystal Palace. Westwood replaced him for the Leicester game which was our third game in eight days. Whether or not that was the right call is debatable, but there was a defensible reason for Westwood to come in against Leicester.

As for who partners Weghorst, that is equally up for debate. Cornet has shown that he has the ability to change a game for us, but equally he doesn’t look comfortable as a centre forward or as a wide midfielder in our system. So we either drop our top scorer for someone who has scored 1 goal this season, or we play him out wide ahead of McNeil or Lennon (who has probably got the edge over the two wide men on recent form). So these decisions are far from clear cut, and certainly not indefensible.

[brexit]

So funny, you had to post it twice

No just to give the slow readers a chance

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’d love to see his passing to a teammate stats over the past 3 games!

He completed the most passes of any Burnley midfielder in all three games and had the highest pass completion percentage in two of the three games in midfield.

[Lancasterclaret]

Any discussion on SD future should wait till the end of the season, and it really should be up to him as well

[RVclaret]

Any discussion on SD future should wait till the end of the season, and it really should be up to him as well

So SD is now bigger than the club?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Any discussion on SD future should wait till the end of the season, and it really should be up to him as well

I just don’t get this? Is SD bigger and more important than the welfare of the club?

I think most fans agree that with our debt relegation will put the club in trouble. Why should the discussion wait until that point?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

He completed the most passes of any Burnley midfielder in all three games and had the highest pass completion percentage in two of the three games in midfield.

I assume not many of those passes went forward as anything in that direction he just seems to smash first time.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I assume not many of those passes went forward as anything in that direction he just seems to smash first time.

Given Westwood has a tendency to laugh forward I would suggest the majority of these passes were forward.

[Lancasterclaret]

So SD is now bigger than the club?

Not at all, but he's just lost three games on the trot

Three games

No point changing, or moaning about changing it at this stage of the season

IMHO of course!

[Lancasterclaret]

So SD is now bigger than the club?

Not at all, but he's just lost three games on the trot

Three games

No point changing, or moaning about changing it at this stage of the season

IMHO of course!

[Lancasterclaret]

I just don’t get this? Is SD bigger and more important than the welfare of the club?

I think most fans agree that with our debt relegation will put the club in trouble. Why should the discussion wait until that point?

With the greatest respect, this board goes into meltdown everytime we lose a game at a level where it is becoming increasingly hard for a club our size to compete in

The discussions always end up the same way, with the same posters outdoing each other into claiming how bad we are and its more than a little tiresome

[Newcastleclaret93]

With the greatest respect, this board goes into meltdown everytime we lose a game at a level where it is becoming increasingly hard for a club our size to compete in

The discussions always end up the same way, with the same posters outdoing each other into claiming how bad we are and its more than a little tiresome

I get your point of view but surely after the last 18 months Dyches position has got to under some scrutiny?

[Lancasterclaret]

I get your point of view but surely after the last 18 months Dyches position has got to under some scrutiny?

At the end of the season

Yes

Now?

Pointless

[Newcastleclaret93]

At the end of the season

Yes

Now?

Pointless

Fair enough, I suspect the owners will have a slightly different view.

[Taffy on the wing]

I love the anecdote then when he was interviewed it was the first time the board had seen a powerpoint presentation by a potential manager and he was seen as a young modern and forward thinking manager.
Laughable now

So is Brexit!

[FCBurnley]

At the end of the season

Yes

Now?

Pointless

Yup pointless is exactly what we have been in last 3 games and goal less as well

[RVclaret]

Fair enough, I suspect the owners will have a slightly different view.

I actually think all the noises that come from the owners suggests they back him and that there’s almost no chance they fire him. Pace has literally been full of praise in every presser for him, from the first one he did saying he hopes they work together for a very long time, to dishing out a new 4 year contract despite just 1 win all season recently. In his programme notes and social media he’s always full of praise after a decent result.

Also, If Dyche is on a reported 80k a week it would likely cost up to £10m to sack him now, perhaps if we go down there’s a clause that reduces his contract significantly, which in turn reduces that cost.