Russia Invades

[Vegas Claret]

The ones that fly over my house regularly seem to be okay!

Like anything though, no one knows how useful they will be until they are tested in a combat environment

At one point during the Iraq war, Apache squadrons had as many as 80% of their helicopters grounded. 80% out of commission meant only one in five helicopters were combat-capable. Only the US military could possibly afford to have enough of them in the first place to be able to field them effectively at that rate, and only the US military could possibly afford to keep repairing them

[Lancasterclaret]

2nd round of the peace talks due

Lets hope there is some progress, though I don't see how

[TsarBomba]

https://twitter.com/andersostlund/statu ... 32384?s=21

Local supermarkets still open in Kyiv, and largely stocked.

An indication of the incredible discipline and selflessness of the Ukrainian people. In most places in the western world, those shelves would’ve been stripped bare days ago.

[Vegas Claret]

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[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://twitter.com/andersostlund/statu ... 32384?s=21

Local supermarkets still open in Kyiv, and largely stocked.

An indication of the incredible discipline and selflessness of the Ukrainian people. In most places in the western world, those shelves would’ve been stripped bare days ago.

People in Basingstoke were panic buying fuel at the weekend

[Vegas Claret]

LIVE: Russians protest against invasion in Ukraine

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1499 ... P9tFM4oHYA

[Vegas Claret]

LIVE: Russians protest against invasion in Ukraine

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1499 ... P9tFM4oHYA

the second I posted it the police turned up and they all scattered

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1 ... 8257701890

No one buying future Russian oil on the markets

No one

[fidelcastro]

At one point during the Iraq war, Apache squadrons had as many as 80% of their helicopters grounded. 80% out of commission meant only one in five helicopters were combat-capable. Only the US military could possibly afford to have enough of them in the first place to be able to field them effectively at that rate, and only the US military could possibly afford to keep repairing them

And only the US military would need to use them in war so often!

[Vegas Claret]

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1 ... 8257701890

No one buying future Russian oil on the markets

No one

I just heard the same thing on BBC world service. Biggest issue is China still happily doing business with them

[Vegas Claret]

Russia publicly admit they are losing people (even though it is believed the numbers are way higher than their claim)


"Russian Ministry of Defense: there are casualties among our comrades participating in a special military operation - 498 Russian soldiers died in the line of military duty, 1597 of our comrades were injured"

[duncandisorderly]

Those numbers are a lot smaller than the Ukrainian figures for the same thing...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The appropriate response is " and the effing rest"

[Vegas Claret]

Those numbers are a lot smaller than the Ukrainian figures for the same thing...

which is why nobody is remotely having the numbers at all - that's not the point though, it's the fact that Russia are even admitting loses to their own people that is a surprise to everyone

[Lancasterclaret]

There will become a time, probably quite soon, when Russia will start to realise that they are miles behind in the information war, and will start to restrict access to the front lines for any journalist who isn't going to report on what they want to tell them

I never thought the Russians would get this caught out in an information war, but unless it can get through to the average Russian, then they will settle for that

[Lancasterclaret]

4 states voted with Russia in the UN, with 34 refusing to vote

The international pressure can't get much bigger than this, but will it have any effect?

[claretburns]

Binance have ruled out restricting normal Russian people from using their crypto services:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60576373

[KellyClaret]

4 states voted with Russia in the UN, with 34 refusing to vote

The international pressure can't get much bigger than this, but will it have any effect?

Who were the four?

[jos]

the second I posted it the police turned up and they all scattered

Actually not all, I watched about 40 being arrested by a large mob of police in riot gear.

[Lancasterclaret]

Who were the four?

Er, Eritrea, Syria, North Korea and Belarus

[SalouClaret]

Thank you to the regular posters on this thread. Following some of the posted Twitter accounts now. Fascinating but terrible stuff.

[Mala591]

Why don’t Ukraine buy/borrow (from Europe or the US) non-nuclear intercontinental missiles to fire at government and military targets in and around Moscow?

[summitclaret]

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If any of these 11 stand for election again I hope no one votes for them. Well done Starmer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... er-warning

[Burt]

Confirmed Chelsea for sale

[Lancasterclaret]

Another very interesting take

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/sta ... 8762123264

[Gaia]

https://twitter.com/mineuvon/status/149 ... o9k4Q&s=19

st Petersburg protest

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If any of these 11 stand for election again I hope no one votes for them. Well done Starmer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... er-warning

A number of those are very safe Labour seats, hence why they're still in a job

[ClaretInLeeds]

Why don’t Ukraine buy/borrow (from Europe or the US) non-nuclear intercontinental missiles to fire at government and military targets in and around Moscow?

Why buy when people will donate?

[Spiral]

Why don’t Ukraine buy/borrow (from Europe or the US) non-nuclear intercontinental missiles to fire at government and military targets in and around Moscow?

An offensive on targets within Russia's borders carries the very real possibility of nuclear retaliation. The objective of the Ukrainians is to drive the Russians out of Ukraine, not defeat Russia militarily. Of course, outright destroying Russia's militarily capabilities stops the invasion of Ukraine dead in its tracks, but the price paid is escalation to nuclear war.

[KRBFC]

and those missiles would be better used elsewhere, like wiping out Russian troops and equipment currently in Ukraine. I've seen a few successful Ukrainian drone strikes, if anything, they need to ramp that up 10 fold and decimate areas where large troops are gathered, starting with that insanely long convoy of Russian vehicles.

[bfcmatt]

Not certain if this has been posted but a Russian Buisness man has reportedly offered a reward of $1 million for Putin. https://katv.com/news/nation-world/russ ... in-ukraine

[taio]

and those missiles would be better used elsewhere, like wiping out Russian troops and equipment currently in Ukraine. I've seen a few successful Ukrainian drone strikes, if anything, they need to ramp that up 10 fold and decimate areas where large troops are gathered, starting with that insanely long convoy of Russian vehicles.

Was thinking the same earlier. Seems such an obvious thing. But we must be missing something perhaps more obvious.

[KRBFC]

Was thinking the same earlier. Seems such an obvious thing. But we must be missing something perhaps more obvious.

call in the Call of Duty killstreak bombing run and wipe that convoy out

[Vegas Claret]

and those missiles would be better used elsewhere, like wiping out Russian troops and equipment currently in Ukraine. I've seen a few successful Ukrainian drone strikes, if anything, they need to ramp that up 10 fold and decimate areas where large troops are gathered, starting with that insanely long convoy of Russian vehicles.

well the Turkish drones they are using seem to be working but I've no idea how many they have access to. Very difficult to track drones........the USA has LOADS of them. One of the main operating bases (ie, where they control them from) is about an hour north of Vegas at Creech AFB

[Vegas Claret]

Not certain if this has been posted but a Russian Buisness man has reportedly offered a reward of $1 million for Putin. https://katv.com/news/nation-world/russ ... in-ukraine

brave

[KRBFC]

well the Turkish drones they are using seem to be working but I've no idea how many they have access to. Very difficult to track drones........the USA has LOADS of them. One of the main operating bases (ie, where they control them from) is about an hour north of Vegas at Creech AFB

That's why this Russian amateur lot wouldn't last 2 minutes with NATO.

[Vegas Claret]

That's why this Russian amateur lot wouldn't last 2 minutes with NATO.

I posted this yesterday:

I was reading an article earlier by someone with a lot of military years under his belt and he said the way that the Russians had strategically set up NATO would have won this war within an hour from the air.

The issue of course are the nukes which are seemingly taking NATO out of the equation (at the moment)

[Vegas Claret]

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[JarrowClaret]

I posted this yesterday:

I was reading an article earlier by someone with a lot of military years under his belt and he said the way that the Russians had strategically set up NATO would have won this war within an hour from the air.

The issue of course are the nukes which are seemingly taking NATO out of the equation (at the moment)

The Russians strategy has been baffling at best it is almost as if they sent these young kids to there death deliberately surely not????

There doctrine when I was serving was coup de main tactics with overwhelming force. As an Air Defender if they came rolling over the German Plains my life expectancy was 6 minutes 7 days in they are reportedly still getting aircraft shot down by static AD sites not just manportable stuff crazy.

With that all said whoever said NATO would have won the war within 1 hour is talking out of his proverbial. 100% NATO would have had Air superiority in 1 hour maybe that is what he meant after that there would have been an air war bombing key mil sites and infrastructure for a few days followed by a ground invasion.

Seen a few tweets with captured documents saying the invasion was agreed on the 18th of Jan and that they expected the invasion to last 15 days, not sure that is gonna be correct now but hey.

[TheOriginalLongsider]

News reporters need to be more careful. This morning one reporter said that the local brewery was making Molotov cocktails. Later today a brewery had a direct missile hit. Just plain stupid !

[Lancasterclaret]

Kherson captured, being run by a military administration

Melitopol/Khark'iv getting heavily bombed and shelled

Have to reiterate though, the Russians don't have the troops to control the areas they currently occupy, so their occupation completely depends on Ukrainians accepting it

This looks like a Russian supply convoy that has been ambushed, apparently in the Kherson oblast, but the people who have ambushed it look like Ukrainian civilians/militia

Unclear if its happening behind Russian lines, but if it is, then the Russians are going to have supply issues

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499101890570821640

[Vegas Claret]

With that all said whoever said NATO would have won the war within 1 hour is talking out of his proverbial. 100% NATO would have had Air superiority in 1 hour maybe that is what he meant after that there would have been an air war bombing key mil sites and infrastructure for a few days followed by a ground invasion.

it was about air superiority but also based on how the Russians had deployed on the ground - ie Roads full of parked up tanks etc

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://www.ft.com/content/21c6c6bc-9fb ... 11ff527f3a

The USA delay long planned missile tests because they don't want to antagonise Russia after their nuclear threats.

[Vegas Claret]

someone asked me a question before (not on here) and I couldn't give them an answer - his question

What would happen if half of Europe's civilians decided to walk into Ukraine unarmed - would Putin still bomb the hell out of it knowing that these people were from NATO countries ?

[JarrowClaret]

it was about air superiority but also based on how the Russians had deployed on the ground - ie Roads full of parked up tanks etc

Oh against Russia using the tactics they are using at the minute yeh agreed the columns would be toast very quickly. Would they use them tactics against NATO though?

Anyone with a commercial radio and the correct frequencies can work out what is happening they aren’t using secure comms and a lot of civilian radios so they are easily pinpointed. They seem to be barely using there jet aircraft as well which I find very strange as they have a few hundred in the area, they are holding them back for something but what?

The whole thing is a cluster but they will still achieve there aims, unless putin falls from within somehow, just because of sheer volume they can keep throwing at it. Even if the majority of there volume is fairly poor conscripted soldiers.

[tarkys_ears]

Putin will be gone within days or a few weeks,

Abramovich for next Russian Pres. You heard it here first.

[Vegas Claret]

Looks like Kyiv is getting a lot of missile strikes tonight

[Vegas Claret]

Putin will be gone within days or a few weeks,

Abramovich for next Russian Pres. You heard it here first.

We'd all settle for that at this point

[tarkys_ears]

We'd all settle for that at this point

He knows business. He knows the West. He has no sanctions which just screams "next in line". He's widely respected at home and abroad.

His saving face with the Chelsea business....

Putin is done. Finished. It's a matter of time.

[dermotdermot]

There’s a lot more to all this than meets the eye. I have resisted posting on this thread because I simply wasn’t aware of the extent of the conflict between these two states, only that there had been a Ukrainian coup where the right had ousted the left in 2014. I have been looking into it and have been astounded by the somewhat barbaric things that happened at that time between many varying factions. It is all extremely complicated but I’ve discovered one particularly nasty event where Ukrainians set fire to a building (they did, in fact, set many buildings alight) that was occupied by a great many Russians and proceeded to shoot them as they attempted to flee the blaze. It was in Odessa. I’m certainly not trying to justify the invasion but it does give you an insight as to why this is perhaps all happening. Perhaps one or two individuals, such as our rather pathetic foreign secretary, should read up on the facts a little before making ridiculous suggestions that British citizens should make their way to the Ukraine to join the fight for freedom.