Russia Invades

[Lancasterclaret]

Their supply issues just got a lot worse

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1506922933427576833

[Gibbo]

I don't normally read the Mirror but story about a Russian tank driver driving over his own commander in protest caught my eye. More worrying is the deployment of Russian execution squads to force their own soldiers to fight.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... r-26537421

[Hipper]

I thought this was interesting given all the pictures and satellite imagery we are seeing daily:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60762772

I'm always fascinated by aerial photos and researched a bit the RAFs Photo Reconnaissance Unit (PRU) in WW2 and the organisation behind it, particularly in relation to German naval warship activity.

Often they took stereo photos and you could look at them through a stereoscope. Looking at a warship the masts would come up and poke you in they eye! I was able to see them at various locations including our National Archives, the University of Keele and 'JARIC'. Today the Keele collection (forming the bulk of the photos) and the stuff at JARIC is housed in Scotland but a lot of it can be viewed online:

https://ncap.org.uk/collections

Example:

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This is Copenhagen 12th May 1945. The two biggest intact remaining units of the German Navy are tied up here, Prinz Eugen bottom left corner, and Nurnberg top centre. Prinz Eugen went to the US and was used in the Bikini bomb tests and is still there capsized in shallow water. Nurnberg went to the Russians. I believe it was later broken up but if not perhaps we can expect it off Odessa!

[Hipper]

Hunt for Russian Super Yachts:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60739336

The 'sailing yacht' looks interesting but ugly:

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https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=Philipp ... 0yacht%20a

[Hipper]

Here's a heart warming story of what can happen to good intentioned refugees - these ones are from war torn Syria:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60820974

[RingoMcCartney]

There are some seriously wicked people out there. How can they sink so low ?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vigilantes-st ... 51253.html

This low -


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -ship.html

Ukrainian 18-year-old refugee 'is gang-raped by two men' on board German hotel ship used to house people fleeing war 

The woman was reportedly assaulted by two men one after the other on the Oscar Wilde hotel ship. The alleged assailants, aged 37 and 26, are from Iraq and Nigeria but also hold Ukrainian citizenship, Bild reported.

[Billy Balfour]

Sky News asking some uncomfortable questions to Richi Sunak about his family's links to Russia.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1506902879239651333

[Lancasterclaret]

https://samf.substack.com/p/losing-wars ... dium=email

Good article on what is realistic after a month of war and the prospects for peace

[elwaclaret]

REUTERS: (Dictators United?) India tells Putin and the world India’s ties to Russia remain ‘on there own merit’.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1506 ... 12040?s=21

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[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1506953417935179793

Longer video of the burning amphibious landing ship in Berdyansk, and shows two more rapidly leaving dock, with at least one of them on fire as well

[Billy Balfour]

Pity we have been reduced to crawling to the likes of India for a trade deal. Israel can do one as well, and the same goes for the handful of other countries who have tied their now sullied reputation to Putin.

[Vegas Claret]

My son returned from a short break in Poland two days ago. He stayed in Krakow and visited Auschwitz. He was staggered by the number of American soldiers walking the streets (and at Auschwitz).

Not sure if this footage has already been posted. It's like looking at pictures of Berlin in 1945. There are no civilians shown.

https://twitter.com/lapatina_/status/15 ... 49316?s=21

this seems to be a link to Mariupol - I thought it was going to be from Poland ? Did you link the wrong thing ecc ?



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[Vegas Claret]

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[Lowbankclaret]

REUTERS: (Dictators United?) India tells Putin and the world India’s ties to Russia remain ‘on there own merit’.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1506 ... 12040?s=21

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Sorry for interrupting this post.

Moderator, your doing a fantastic job, well done. Sometimes it’s not easy to recognise we are answering a post that might get it pulled. I answered one yesterday which you correctly deleted very quickly.. so Thank you for your patience.

[Lowbankclaret]

https://samf.substack.com/p/losing-wars ... dium=email

Good article on what is realistic after a month of war and the prospects for peace

That was a very long article, which to be fair details what many on here have been saying or putting links too.

[KateR]

Russia stalling for time, they've already lost more troops in one month than they did in just over nine years during the Afghanistan conflict, Russia aren't the army they try and pretend to the rest of the world they are, captured Russian soldiers have been found badly equipped and with food rations from 2016 and medical supplies dated 1979, poorly maintained vehicle's just being left behind, tactics from the 1940's and troops suffering from frost bite because of inadequate clothing.

To be honest I find this statement astounding, and if anyone had made it prior to the invasion it would have just been laughable, it's still hard to comprehend given the conflicts they been in fairly recently, you'd at least have thought food and medical supplies would be up to recent dates.

[Lancasterclaret]

To be honest I find this statement astounding, and if anyone had made it prior to the invasion it would have just been laughable, it's still hard to comprehend given the conflicts they been in fairly recently, you'd at least have thought food and medical supplies would be up to recent dates.

Thing is, this is a whole new level of warfare that they are involved in compared to what they are used to

Without being too harsh to their opponents, the active military experience of the vast amount of their army will be training only, as only a few would have fought in Syria (and against much weaker opposition)

Ukraine have been NATO trained since 2014 (and it shows) and have also made sure they have maximised their limited military budget (no spending on expensive stuff they don't really need) and they will have been training for this eventuality (worst case scenario for Ukraine is a full scale Russian invasion, and that is what they have got to deal with)

Been mentioned by more than one expert, but the big positive to come out of this is that its very hard to win a war against another largish country with a big army. Which will hopefully make such events even rarely in the future

[Vegas Claret]

use of white phosphorous
https://twitter.com/danriversitv/status ... t-bg9T4p5g

[KateR]

Thing is, this is a whole new level of warfare that they are involved in compared to what they are used to

Been mentioned by more than one expert, but the big positive to come out of this is that its very hard to win a war against another largish country with a big army. Which will hopefully make such events even rarely in the future

Thing is though, even as I know little to nothing regarding war and battles other than many names and historic events dating back before 1066 as I enjoyed history a lot. I have been involved in numerous large projects in remote locations and learned quickly that peoples welfare and the logistics were key to being successful, you and others know much more than I in regard to battles, supply lines and being cut off but in the end it points to a single issue. It's hard to comprehend that if you're making plans for something like an invasion, (even without the historical data on your doorstep regarding supply lines to armies) you need a very good plan in regard to supplying a moving animal that is huge and spread out over a huge distance in poor weather conditions.

Yet it appears clear that was never developed and put into place, it almost seems like they believed there own propaganda, just roll down the streets into the cities with a huge amount of tanks and people with Russian flags and the population will welcome us with open arms, therefore supplies are not that important as we will live off what is there and welcomed as liberators. Writing that just seems incredible in my mind but that is, as I know so well, foolish because I'm thinking of the meetings, where someone like me would try to pick holes in the plan and play the what if game and make people think more regarding plans. As I've noted they are different from us in the west, they simply think different, act different, we had a Russian partner in Sakhalin, in meetings in the early days we would meet with small teams from his and my company. In those discussions the owner spoke, nobody challenged from his side, some would provide back up when I and my team challenged and debated options, it seems almost like a micro-strategy of what might have happened in Putin's meetings as they "planned" the invasion.

This is the big worry, when you realize he/they don't think like us, I will assume for now that Ukraine do think like that and it's better in the discussions regarding an outcome that leads to peace but I fear this is going to long and drawn out, I certainly hope you're right about events like this in the future but human nature being what it is I'm not sure.............

[Taffy on the wing]

There are some seriously wicked people out there. Jow can they sink so low ?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vigilantes-st ... 51253.html

Pond ****!

[Vegas Claret]

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[JarrowClaret]

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1506953417935179793

Longer video of the burning amphibious landing ship in Berdyansk, and shows two more rapidly leaving dock, with at least one of them on fire as well

When I suggested a few days ago that it would be good if they could some long range fires on these boats I didn’t think they would achieve something that looks so successful. Just hope the ship hadn’t finished unloading it maybe wrong but it does look as if there are 2 on fire. The one moored should block the dock at least temporarily for use as well.

[JarrowClaret]

To be honest I find this statement astounding, and if anyone had made it prior to the invasion it would have just been laughable, it's still hard to comprehend given the conflicts they been in fairly recently, you'd at least have thought food and medical supplies would be up to recent dates.

There are a number of facets to this post the first one vehicle maint is something that often gets overlooked. In the British Military they do a series of daily/ weekly/ monthly and annual checks plus a servicing schedule. Now there shouldn’t be but I assume there will be a difference between vehicles that are maintained in a unit and those that are stored separately in some sort of care and pres place that holds vehicles for when they are needed. Another thought for me the Russians have really 2 armies conscript and professional I wonder if the real poor maintenance has involved the conscript side of things not sure I haven’t looked into how the conscripts are integrated are they fully formed units or are they augmentees?

The food medicine side can split as well I don’t think we have seen so much of this in the south and the east the main of not all of these issues have been in the North. This is because they had already formed logistics hubs to the east and south as they already had bases there, but hadn’t really formed anything to the North in Belarus before invading Ukraine. I suspect the reason for this is they didn’t expect to need it, they expected to storm Kyiv and capture Zhalensky quickly.

[KateR]

There are a number of facets to this post the first one vehicle maint is something that often gets overlooked. In the British Military they do a series of daily/ weekly/ monthly and annual checks plus a servicing schedule. Now there shouldn’t be but I assume there will be a difference between vehicles that are maintained in a unit and those that are stored separately in some sort of care and pres place that holds vehicles for when they are needed. Another thought for me the Russians have really 2 armies conscript and professional I wonder if the real poor maintenance has involved the conscript side of things not sure I haven’t looked into how the conscripts are integrated are they fully formed units or are they augmentees?

The food medicine side can split as well I don’t think we have seen so much of this in the south and the east the main of not all of these issues have been in the North. This is because they had already formed logistics hubs to the east and south as they already had bases there, but hadn’t really formed anything to the North in Belarus before invading Ukraine. I suspect the reason for this is they didn’t expect to need it, they expected to storm Kyiv and capture Zhalensky quickly.

I didn't go into the vehicle side of things, but obviously they are part of the logistics and crucial to any supply chain, while completely different in project terms and not having to fight a battle if you don't have the right crane, for instance at the right time critical milestones are missed and delays occur. In regard to that in all locations that were remote/hazardous we had journey management plans and the maintenance of vehicles was stringent. For any army I would expect it to be way better and comprehensive, like many I suspect we believed the propaganda to, in that they were large, well equipped and battle hardened but it appears not.

You last sentence mirrors my thinking in terms of, no real issue, we will be welcomed with open arms, which has caused a huge problem for them.

[Lancasterclaret]

I didn't go into the vehicle side of things, but obviously they are part of the logistics and crucial to any supply chain, while completely different in project terms and not having to fight a battle if you don't have the right crane, for instance at the right time critical milestones are missed and delays occur. In regard to that in all locations that were remote/hazardous we had journey management plans and the maintenance of vehicles was stringent. For any army I would expect it to be way better and comprehensive, like many I suspect we believed the propaganda to, in that they were large, well equipped and battle hardened but it appears not.

You last sentence mirrors my thinking in terms of, no real issue, we will be welcomed with open arms, which has caused a huge problem for them.

And the Russians are still amplifying that last bit - they still haven't transitioned their thinking into that they are fighting a country in which its 100% against them

They are on TV saying things like "We don't hate the Ukrainians, just the Nazis in Kyi'v" but simulataneously shelling areas with the biggest Russian minorities to rubble

It doesn't matter now what they do, they have managed to unite Ukraine in a way that would have been unthinkable a month ago, and that is going to be the biggest danger to them going forward

[Lancasterclaret]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/23/euro ... index.html

CNN report from Dnipro, on the true cost of war

[Dark Cloud]

In keeping with the fact that this is a football message board, it seems patently obvious that Russia has scored a calamitous own goal of Triore proportions and must be desperately looking for a way out which saves face. The whole world has now seen their armed forces as all talk, bluster and impressive uniforms, but little in the way of actual substance. The problem now is that when everything looks totally screwed Putin might choose to do something far, far worse, just because he can't be seen to lose face.

[ClaretMov]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/23/euro ... index.html

CNN report from Dnipro, on the true cost of war

Trouble is all the dog's etc left behind that are roaming free and are starving will start to eat the Dead Russian troops left behind, they will never be identified.

[ClaretLoup]

Another interesting analysis from the excellent Kamil Galeev on the ethnic composition of the Russian Army and its potential impact on their morale and performance.

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/ ... TKlbedJamg

[Lancasterclaret]

Another interesting analysis from the excellent Kamil Galeev on the ethnic composition of the Russian Army and its potential impact on their morale and performance.

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/ ... TKlbedJamg

Yeah, I read that yesterday

I took the slightly less positive view that if the casualties are majority non-ethnic Russians, then Putin will give even less of a s**t than he does now

[Lancasterclaret]

In keeping with the fact that this is a football message board, it seems patently obvious that Russia has scored a calamitous own goal of Triore proportions and must be desperately looking for a way out which saves face. The whole world has now seen their armed forces as all talk, bluster and impressive uniforms, but little in the way of actual substance. The problem now is that when everything looks totally screwed Putin might choose to do something far, far worse, just because he can't be seen to lose face.

Everyone is desperately trying to think of a way that Putin can come out of this with a "win".

No one can

[NewClaret]

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1506953417935179793

Longer video of the burning amphibious landing ship in Berdyansk, and shows two more rapidly leaving dock, with at least one of them on fire as well

Crikey. If I were the crew of either of those ships, I wouldn’t be looking forward to the prospect of returning there.

[JarrowClaret]

I didn't go into the vehicle side of things, but obviously they are part of the logistics and crucial to any supply chain, while completely different in project terms and not having to fight a battle if you don't have the right crane, for instance at the right time critical milestones are missed and delays occur. In regard to that in all locations that were remote/hazardous we had journey management plans and the maintenance of vehicles was stringent. For any army I would expect it to be way better and comprehensive, like many I suspect we believed the propaganda to, in that they were large, well equipped and battle hardened but it appears not.

You last sentence mirrors my thinking in terms of, no real issue, we will be welcomed with open arms, which has caused a huge problem for them.

Basically the Russians never did so what’s/ what ifs

[Lancasterclaret]

Ross Atkins doing one of his excellent reports on Nazism in Ukraine, and how its not the issue that Russia would like it to be

https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status ... 3637890048

[BleedingClaret]

Everyone is desperately trying to think of a way that Putin can come out of this with a "win".

No one can

He can have the long sleep he’s earned

[elwaclaret]

REUTERS: Swiss freeze $6 Billion of sanctioned Russian assets.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1507 ... 11980?s=21

[elwaclaret]

NEXTA: Germany’s E37 Million contribution to Ukrainian arms, some disclosed and those not…

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 77740?s=21

[elwaclaret]

Al Murray tweet - and great comment. Ukrainian band promise to play live in Kyiv during the Birmingham benefit gig. So they can show the world they are still part of it and show the Russians they will never win.

https://twitter.com/rinanpakkala/status ... 25196?s=21

[Hipper]

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1506953417935179793

Longer video of the burning amphibious landing ship in Berdyansk, and shows two more rapidly leaving dock, with at least one of them on fire as well

They both look damaged. The nearest one has some smoke coming from the bow, the other a fire midships. It also seems that munitions are exploding on the badly burning vessel - a piece landed in the water at 1.22, 1.32 and 1.58 on the film. Pity the Ukrainians don't have any submarines nearby.

This might make them more reticent to try bringing in any large vessels again.

[Lancasterclaret]

More on logistics and what the Russians don't have

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status ... 3245128716

[Hipper]

Everyone is desperately trying to think of a way that Putin can come out of this with a "win".

No one can

The same thinking must be going on amongst Putin's cronies. I wonder if some of them haven't already contacted 'The West' putting out feelers as to what might be required for some solution that will save their skins and more important to them, their wealth.

[elwaclaret]

NEW YORK TIMES: US launches latest round of sanctions aimed at those closest to Putin, on Thursday.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1507 ... 20043?s=21

[Cubanforever]

Biden intimated he was going to see a lot of important people...the way he chuckled made me wonder if he's actually going to Kyiv to meet Zelenskiy at some point in the next couple of days

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Biden intimated he was going to see a lot of important people...the way he chuckled made me wonder if he's actually going to Kyiv to meet Zelenskiy at some point in the next couple of days

I think the Russians would notice the convoy of vehicles that the yanks insist on taking everywhere

[bfcjg]

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I hope when all this is over the countries that have supported Russia only expect foreign aid from Russia, no begging nowl out to the rest of us..Be interesting to know how much UK and international aid goes to these countries at the moment, perhaps sanctions should be expanded.

[elwaclaret]

NEXTA: U.S. Volunteers reclaim village for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 79841?s=21

[elwaclaret]

I hope when all this is over the countries that have supported Russia only expect foreign aid from Russia, no begging nowl out to the rest of us..Be interesting to know how much UK and international aid goes to these countries at the moment, perhaps sanctions should be expanded.

All the usual suspects.

[elwaclaret]

NEXTA: Germany and US to announce a deal on gas tomorrow. It will cost more, but take the supply out of Putin’s control.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/150 ... 02950?s=21

[bfcjg]

I've just read an article about UK forces as recent as last year training and aiding the Belarus army, unbelievable.

[elwaclaret]

OSINTtech - Captured Russian Tanks ‘O’ marked - probably North of Kyiv

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... 97067?s=21