Russia Invades

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:40 pm

Sorry. I was obviously unaware Johnson was in Kiev. I don't like the man but I must say fair play to him.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:46 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:40 pm
Sorry. I was obviously unaware Johnson was in Kiev. I don't like the man but I must say fair play to him.

Think they kept it very quiet till he was there.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:40 pm
Sorry. I was obviously unaware Johnson was in Kiev. I don't like the man but I must say fair play to him.

I had only just seen a tweet from the Ukrainian embassy about it or I’d have been agreeing with you.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:57 pm

Hi Lowbank,

That's perfectly understandable. Whilst I doubt Putin would order his troops to take Johnson out - although one does wonder all the same - there are no guarantees all Russian troops have left Kiev. They are committing the worst possible crimes so assassinating a politician might seem quite natural to one of them.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:08 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm
I had only just seen a tweet from the Ukrainian embassy about it or I’d have been agreeing with you.

Hi Jarrow,

Many thanks for your post.

There's absolutely no problem! I didn't take it personally.

We're all on the same side on UTC and we're all on the same side on this thread which we all wish had no reason to exist. But there is a war in Ukraine and we all want to know the truth. We need to know the truth. I have children and I need to tell them the truth.

This thread has shown the very best of what a forum can achieve ie solidarity and respect amongst its members. No "points scoring", no BBBs.

I have the least military knowledge of the regular contributors and I come on here to learn.

I'm truly grateful to you and all the other Clarets who are sharing their knowledge and sources of info.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:21 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:57 pm
Hi Lowbank,

That's perfectly understandable. Whilst I doubt Putin would order his troops to take Johnson out - although one does wonder all the same - there are no guarantees all Russian troops have left Kiev. They are committing the worst possible crimes so assassinating a politician might seem quite natural to one of them.

Should never rule anything out. Putin has been trying to draw us in, so you never know.
When you say Ukraine bombed it’s own people with missiles I don’t think think they even have, you will do anything in my book.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:18 pm

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:54 pm

It’s looking like it’s going to be fairly quiet for a few days whilst the Russians regroup and try to re-arm.

Now it’s difficult to read between the lines of all the stuff that’s written.

If we try to go half way between reports, Russia has limited resources to deploy.

I expect in a few days they (Russians) will start to take ground , but if we have sent enough weapons I think Ukraine will eventually take it back and some ground the Russians currently hold.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:03 pm

Tells it better than I could, but I fully agree from lots of stuff I have read.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... SApp_Other

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:23 pm

Ukraine has captured 1000 pieces of kit from the Russians. In some cases they now have more kit than before the war started.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... t.html?m=1

jos · Post by **jos** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:36 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:54 pm

If we try to go half way between reports, Russia has limited resources to deploy.

Igor Sushko - “Putin has 40 million males in Russia that he can conscript.”

NEXTA - A new unit of “walking dead” are sent to #Ukraine from one of the poorest and most depressed regions of #Russia - #Tyva.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1 ... 64705?s=21

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:45 pm

jos wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:36 pm
Igor Sushko - “Putin has 40 million males in Russia that he can conscript.”

NEXTA - A new unit of “walking dead” are sent to #Ukraine from one of the poorest and most depressed regions of #Russia - #Tyva.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1 ... 64705?s=21

More lambs to the slaughter of Putin’s alter. They are raw hillbillies being sent to face the cream of the Ukrainian British trained regulars… its just like the Czar and WW1, that caused a Communist Revolution.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:51 pm

NEXTA: One Polish league game unlikely to be streamed in Russia

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... f0tOfv7rJA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:56 pm

ELSEWHERE: REUTERS: Libya moved closer to (another) Civil War with Eastern army commanders Urging road closures West after saying they were withdrawing support for the UN Backed Joint Military Council.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1512 ... f0tOfv7rJA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:03 pm

PHILLIPS OBrien - Western rivalry over who is helping Ukraine most is helping Ukraine far more than a more co-ordinated formal alliance probably would have as nations fall over themselves to be Ukraines best friend and make the result intimately connected to their nations.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... f0tOfv7rJA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:06 pm

NEXTA: Journalist Denis Kesansty tells of the real horror unleashed on Borodyanka

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... f0tOfv7rJA

jos · Post by **jos** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:52 pm

I wasn’t going to post/share this link, but at the end of the video it requests the viewer to share it.

A Ukrainian civilian says Russian troops opened fire on his vehicle, killing his father as they were evacuating from the town of Ivankiv in the Kyiv region. The man captured video of the February 25 attack on his phone and said he and his father, Oleh Bulavenko, had returned to their home to rescue their three dogs. RFE/RL has verified that no Ukrainian troops were in the area at the time of the shooting. The sole surviving dog refused the leave Bulavenko's body after the shooting. (WARNING: Viewers may find the content of this video disturbing)

Karl Von Brux -
'Dad, Please Don't Die!': Harrowing Video Captures Deadly Russian Attack On Ukrainian Father And Son

https://twitter.com/bruxkarl/status/150 ... 39820?s=21

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:57 pm

Phillips Obrien - details of Ukrainian anti-ship defences by Dr. Phil Weir and what is being offered (publicly) by the West as Ukraine braces itself for naval landings.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/sta ... f0tOfv7rJA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:07 pm

NEXTA: Russians are dropping Missiles in Kharkiv on parachutes (presumably to leave live ammo for unwary Ukrainians to find)

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/151 ... f0tOfv7rJA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:13 pm

Ukraine Government - Why is Boris Johnson on a walkabout with President Zelenskiy without either wearing body armour? “Because they bloody can!”

https://twitter.com/ukraine/status/1512 ... f0tOfv7rJA

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:17 pm

REUTERS: Big night ahead in Pakistan. Tensions have been building as Khan looked to hold on by legal trickery, but now a vote of NO CONFIDENCE ousts him…

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1512 ... f0tOfv7rJA

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:17 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:40 pm
Sorry. I was obviously unaware Johnson was in Kiev. I don't like the man but I must say fair play to him.

He never misses a photo op.......

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:18 pm

OSINTtechnical - Russian column advances into Kharkiv Oblast

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/stat ... f0tOfv7rJA

Cubanforever · Post by **Cubanforever** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:21 pm

I'm no Tory by any stretch but fair play Borris

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:28 pm

ROB LEE: VDV Spetenaz snipers (Russian paratroopers) in Hostomel

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1512 ... f0tOfv7rJA

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:29 pm

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:56 pm
Whilst I get the sentiment, it’s not like he went there on his own….!

Or that he was the first in town either.. this is still very brave of him though he could of quite easily done a side step, I guess with some of the language used against us coming out of the Kremlin he is a target above most leaders. I wonder if it was his normal protection or if he had a few seconded from somewhere else.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:26 pm

Cubanforever wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:21 pm
I'm no Tory by any stretch but fair play Borris

Just seen a video of him walking the streets with the president and whilst I’m also not a fan I’ve huge respect for the message he is trying to send, he certainly didn’t have to do what he’s done there

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:41 pm

I am curious about how the russian populace are being kept in the dark
news correspondents report colossal internal support for putin.
Its not so much the obvious reporting within their country being one sided, rather the inability of foreign news leaking into their system.
Surely in the modern technological era there would be ways and means to let the russians have knowledge of the truth. what about russians living abroad who can contact their freinds and families and let them know what has been occuring.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:30 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:41 pm
I am curious about how the russian populace are being kept in the dark
news correspondents report colossal internal support for putin.
Its not so much the obvious reporting within their country being one sided, rather the inability of foreign news leaking into their system.
Surely in the modern technological era there would be ways and means to let the russians have knowledge of the truth. what about russians living abroad who can contact their freinds and families and let them know what has been occuring.

They are getting the message into the younger people in the cities, but in the rural areas (where the soldiers are mainly drafted) and older generations rely on state news just as they always have, Putin can’t be telling lies, it all sounds so familiar; the West was ‘out to get the Soviet Republic from Lenin to the fall of the Wall.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:37 pm

… so a stadium full of bright young things in Moscow, must be right (when no one is telling you they are all Government employees under threat of the sack)

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:02 am

NEW YORK TIMES - Former major Russian investor turned Putin enemy reveals the role of the oligarchs, and what motivates Putin and how to end the war

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1512 ... f0tOfv7rJA

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:32 am

interesting
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... last-night

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:34 am

good stuff

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:51 am

Good news we’re supporting them but assume this doesn’t leave us light defensively?

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:10 am

https://youtu.be/lzO7gIT5GYU

^ really good bit of journalism here from Vice that was published at the back end of 2019 - shows the cognitive dissonance of those in Crimea. Mainly how they get influenced off the Russian propaganda machine but deep down know life/things were better under Ukrainian control.

Also shows what the russians real goal was to annex Crimea - it certainly wasn’t liberating people..

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:20 am

Great to read the Johnson "love in"..especially when we're chatting about the ease with which a country's population can be hoodwinked by a populist approach to the media.

jos · Post by **jos** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:47 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:02 am
NEW YORK TIMES - Former major Russian investor turned Putin enemy reveals the role of the oligarchs, and what motivates Putin and how to end the war

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1512 ... f0tOfv7rJA

It’s behind a paywall, So I can’t read it without subscribing.

What did it say?

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:49 pm

A very brave man and talks a lot of sense.
https://youtu.be/-K5S6JC3D5w

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:14 pm

jos wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:47 pm
It’s behind a paywall, So I can’t read it without subscribing.

What did it say?

You do get X amount of articles for free, just got to click the reveal article button

Gibbo · Post by **Gibbo** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:04 pm

Russian 8 mile convoy mentioned by elwaclaret above seems to have come a cropper.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

jos · Post by **jos** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:02 pm

Gibbo wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:04 pm
Russian 8 mile convoy mentioned by elwaclaret above seems to have come a cropper.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

This link will take you directly to the thread

https://twitter.com/jon96179496/status/ ... 63553?s=21

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:58 pm

jos wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:36 pm
Igor Sushko - “Putin has 40 million males in Russia that he can conscript.”

NEXTA - A new unit of “walking dead” are sent to #Ukraine from one of the poorest and most depressed regions of #Russia - #Tyva.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1 ... 64705?s=21

Been reports of Russia running out of guns. If you run out of guns, what you going to send them into battle with???

jos · Post by **jos** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:58 pm
Been reports of Russia running out of guns. If you run out of guns, what you going to send them into battle with???

Hammers and sickles?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:48 pm

Lithuania announces plans to train Ukraine to use Western weapons
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1 ... 9WudU7T2Jg

jos · Post by **jos** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:53 pm

The Financial Times is making key Ukraine coverage free to read to keep everyone informed as events unfold.

https://twitter.com/financialtimes/stat ... 44548?s=21

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:05 pm

another mass grave found, not nice viewing
https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/stat ... uAihl4q4wQ

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:27 pm

jos wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:46 pm
Hammers and sickles?

It’s a serious point.
You can have a population of a billion, but if you only have 1000 guns the rest of the population are just civilians.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:13 pm

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/09/russians ... -16436025/
Interesting article.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:24 am

The Times reporting Finland and Sweden will join NATO in the summer
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fi ... ce=twitter

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:07 am

Allegedly a Russian tank firing into a group of Ukrainian soldiers at close range after Ukrainians mistook it for one of their own. Just shows the fog of war, and what a minute of complacency can cause.

Obviously not a nice video. Don't watch it if you'd rather not see it. It's not bloody, but people were almost certainly killed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/ ... _group_of/