Russia Invades

[Vegas Claret]

That was the night i met my wife!

are you blaming OJ ?

[Vegas Claret]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/statu ... 41540?s=20

Prigozhin says it's over:

"They were going to dismantle PMC Wagner. We came out on 23 June to the March of Justice. In a day, we walked to nearly 200km away from Moscow. In this time, we did not spill a single drop of blood of our fighters. Now, the moment has come when blood may spill. That’s why, understanding the responsibility for spilling Russian blood on one of the sides, we are turning back our convoys and going back to field camps according to the plan."

[AlargeClaret]

That was the night i met my wife!

Hopefully she put up less of a struggle than OJ!

[LeadBelly]

I'd be surprised if Putin has fled. Where would he go that's safer than Moscow? I dont think he's that popular in St Petersburg.

Also- he needs to stay in Moscow to rally the defences, if he goes, theyll more likely cave in.
Maybe the various VIP plane departures are "nearest and dearest" - just in case things go badly.

[yTib]

so no coup today then.

[Elbarad]

BBC saying Belarus leaders office claims Prigozhin has agreed to de-escalate the situation........

Yeah, read it several places on Telegram as well. Be interesting to see what Putin has agreed to. And btw, Prigozhin can now never feel safe again if he stops now imo.

[Vegas Claret]

Yeah, read it several places on Telegram as well. Be interesting to see what Putin has agreed to. And btw, Prigozhin can now never feel safe again if he stops now imo.

yeah he's completely ****** himself

[AlargeClaret]

SKY reporting Belarusian leader has negotiated a deal with Wagner and they’re turning for home ? Rumours Putin has been busily making sandwiches and homemade lemonade for the Wagner troops are not yet confirmed .

[Bordeauxclaret]

Putin looks incredibly weak now doesn’t he?

Even weaker than before.

[Vegas Claret]

Putin looks incredibly weak now doesn’t he?

Even weaker than before.

100%

[Colburn_Claret]

didn't he say he was against the war in Ukraine ? I'm sure he did at some point

He's already stated just yesterday, that the Russian people were conned into this war with Ukraine, by a bunch of lies. If he means that, then he has no need, or legitimacy to continue the war..

[Vegas Claret]

Putin looks incredibly weak now doesn’t he?

Even weaker than before.

or on the other hand who else can over throw Putin ?

[AlargeClaret]

Thus far the only bona fida footage appears to be Wagner troops chatting with locals and queuing for coffee in Rostov .

YP appears to have called Putin’s bluff and this makes VP look weak I’d say .

[NewClaret]

Well this is a disappointing development.

Good luck to Prigozhin staying alive now.

[ecc]

So, Lukashenko repays Putin for protecting him by running errands for him.

[ecc]

Well this is a disappointing development.

Good luck to Prigozhin staying alive now.

I'm not sure a bloodbath in Moscow would have been good news.

Putin's bought time IMO. His credibility in his own country has dropped large time IMHO.

[yTib]

or on the other hand who else can over throw Putin ?

geoff woade. imagine the size of his balls.

[Elbarad]

On the plus side I’ve read today that the Ukrainians have ferried some tanks over the Dnieper near the Antonovsky bridge and are engaging Russian forces there. Sounds like trying to make a bridgehead during the confusion.

[elwaclaret]

Kyiv Independent:

Prigozhin says Wagner will stop march on Moscow.

"Realizing our responsibility for the (possible) spilling of Russian blood from either side, we are withdrawing our columns (marching on Moscow) and going back in the opposite direction to field camps according to our plan," Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin said.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... XbpxEsmRVg

[JohnMcGreal]

so no coup today then.

No coup for you!

One for the Seinfeld fans, there.

[elwaclaret]

Questions already suggesting radio reports of Warner’s call off may be false flag efforts to stop panic.

[yTib]

No coup for you!

One for the Seinfeld fans, there.

weirdly only seen two or three episodes.

seen every curb... though.

[Clovius Boofus]

Good luck to Prigozhin staying alive now.

Quite. Either him or Putin will be dead soon enough, and it looks like the shortest odds are now on Prig.

[dermotdermot]

Talk about anti-climax!

[HahaYeah]

Hysteria.

This is not a coup and if anyone will end up toast it will be this Russian Kurtz type chap.

Posted over 3 hours ago, Yet the HYSTERIA still ratcheted up and up.

[AlargeClaret]

This is like wooing a beautiful woman and after an evening of teasing, rohypnol and fine wine , you’re on the bed ,she’s stripped down to her stockings and suspenders ,grabs her keys and fecks off !

[elwaclaret]

Posted over 3 hours ago, Yet the HYSTERIA still ratcheted up and up.

I think the hysteria is in your head… I’ve not seen any.

[SammyBoy]

Posted over 3 hours ago, Yet the HYSTERIA still ratcheted up and up.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[elwaclaret]

Kyiv Independent: Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko claimed he had held talks with Prigozhin, after which Wagner’s boss announced the mercenaries’ retreat, according to Lukashenko’s press service. Lukashenko also claimed that Wagner was negotiating a deal that would envisage security guarantees for the mercenaries.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... XbpxEsmRVg

[NewClaret]

This is like wooing a beautiful woman and after an evening of teasing, rohypnol and fine wine , you’re on the bed ,she’s stripped down to her stockings and suspenders ,grabs her keys and fecks off !

Tbf, it’s not as bad as that…

[Lancasterclaret]

Posted over 3 hours ago, Yet the HYSTERIA still ratcheted up and up.

Fair play mate

You did your usual attempt to ruin a thread and by a complete fluke, called it

Credit where credit is due

[welsbyswife]

So if the military weren't pulling up any trees to stop this march on Moscow where does this leave the Ukraine situation? How motivated are they to follow Putin's orders? What happens to Wagner troops after the backdown?

[Lancasterclaret]

So if the military weren't pulling up any trees to stop this march on Moscow where does this leave the Ukraine situation? How motivated are they to follow Putin's orders? What happens to Wagner troops after the backdown?

No idea

The idea that this won't affect Russia negatively is for the birds

Putin looks weak, Wagner look weak, The Russian Air Force reputation (already not great) is in tatters and the Russian army looks like it can't be relied on

Only winner here is Ukraine and the West

[yTib]

Fair play mate

You did your usual attempt to ruin a thread and by a complete fluke, called it

Credit where credit is due

another muchacho, unfortunately.

back to the land of the living and the massive cynic in me thinks this could be a strategy-gone-wrong for the impaler.

the narrative early on was that prigozhin was trying to create a divide between shoigu and putin. could this have been (poorly) masterminded by the latter as a possibly stairway for de-escalation?

or have i read too many frederick forsyth books?

[elwaclaret]

another muchacho, unfortunately.

back to the land of the living and the massive cynic in me thinks this could be a strategy-gone-wrong for the impaler.

the narrative early on was that prigozhin was trying to create a divide between shoigu and putin. could this have been (poorly) masterminded by the latter as a possibly stairway for de-escalation?

or have i read too many frederick forsyth books?

Crossed my mind that Putin and his cook had concocted this to try to draw the west into open war… giving Putin the moral ground in Eastern perspectives.

[elwaclaret]

ROB LEE:

I think the catalyst for this was the move by the MoD to force all PMCs to sign contracts with them, which likely had Putin's support. There might be a short-term compromise or truce, but I don't think things can go back to normal after this.

https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1672 ... XbpxEsmRVg

[elwaclaret]

NEXTA: The #Wagnerians are leaving #Rostov.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/167 ... XbpxEsmRVg

[Lancasterclaret]

another muchacho, unfortunately.

back to the land of the living and the massive cynic in me thinks this could be a strategy-gone-wrong for the impaler.

the narrative early on was that prigozhin was trying to create a divide between shoigu and putin. could this have been (poorly) masterminded by the latter as a possibly stairway for de-escalation?

or have i read too many frederick forsyth books?

Funny you should say that, just re-reading "The Day of the Jackal" and "The Odessa File" is one of my favourite books

I think we in the West just can't see what Putin and Russia get out of this - there isn't an end game that results in a Russian win

But in Russia, they convince themselves that the West is weak, they look back on the lies they told themselves about WWII (and still believe today), and believe that they will win

And if you look at the pro-Russian accounts on twitter - collapse of the dollar, the BRICS nations taken over, its all there

Delusional doesn't even begin to describe it

[Lancasterclaret]

Crossed my mind that Putin and his cook had concocted this to try to draw the west into open war… giving Putin the moral ground in Eastern perspectives.

The West won't fight for Ukraine

It doesn't need to, Ukraine is more than capable of dealing with Russia with Western support

[elwaclaret]

Kyiv Independent:

Official: Ukrainian troops advance in several directions around Bakhmut.

Ukrainian troops have launched an offensive in several directions around the city of Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast and made advances, Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said on June 24.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... XbpxEsmRVg

[elwaclaret]

The West won't fight for Ukraine

It doesn't need to, Ukraine is more than capable of dealing with Russia with Western support

You forget that you are looking at it from a rational position. Putin has been telling Russia from the start it was the West wanting to destroy Russia…

[Lancasterclaret]

You forget that you are looking at it from a rational position. Putin has been telling Russia from the start it was the West wanting to destroy Russia…

Said essentially that about five minutes ago

We are rational

He and Russia are not

[welsbyswife]

Crossed my mind that Putin and his cook had concocted this to try to draw the west into open war… giving Putin the moral ground in Eastern perspectives.

How would an internal struggle in Russia draw the West into open war? Completely counterintuitive.

[elwaclaret]

Kyiv independent:

Putin's spokesman: Criminal case against Prigozhin will be closed.

The criminal case against Wagner founder Yevgeny Prigozhin will be closed, and he will move to Belarus, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/sta ... XbpxEsmRVg

[Cirrus_Minor]

So we go right to the brink and then he goes home on a Ribble bus for his tea.

[Lancasterclaret]

Imagine you are in the RuAF, and you've just seen your mates plane be blown out of the sky by a Wagner PMC SAM missile?

You are going to be absolutely boiling

[Boss Hogg]

Moving to Belarus with security guarantees. High windows and poison spring to mind.

[Vegas Claret]

does this mean Wagner now pull out of Ukraine and leave a big(ger) hole ?

[Lip]

does this mean Wagner now pull out of Ukraine and leave a big(ger) hole ?

If they have any sense,they will defend Belarus..

[yTib]

If they have any sense,they will defend Belarus..

from whom?