Russia Invades

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:28 pm

I'm in Phuket at the moment. Lots of Russians in our hotel..... They're a strange bunch... Ignorant, miserable bordering on angry looking.... Can't help wondering what they think of the English who are a minority here but always appear happy and content.

lesxdp · Post by **lesxdp** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 12:57 am

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:28 pm
I'm in Phuket at the moment. Lots of Russians in our hotel..... They're a strange bunch... Ignorant, miserable bordering on angry looking.... Can't help wondering what they think of the English who are a minority here but always appear happy and content.

Been visiting Thailand for a number of years and now have a wife of twelve years and a home near Chiang Mai. On the occasions I have visited Pattaya I have come across many situations with arrogant aggressive Russians. Long before the Ukraine situation, always found them to be a strange breed.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:30 am

another UAV 'attack' in Moscow
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1692 ... 72750?s=20

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:02 am

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:28 pm
I'm in Phuket at the moment. Lots of Russians in our hotel..... They're a strange bunch... Ignorant, miserable bordering on angry looking.... Can't help wondering what they think of the English who are a minority here but always appear happy and content.

There’s a Russian lad on YouTube that conducts street interviews in and around Moscow/St Petersburg on topics regarding the war / relations with other Countries etc:

https://youtube.com/@1420channel

Interesting that there’s a clear divide in attitudes in sort of over and under 25 as well as who (appears to be at least) educated and not.

Anyway, they he made one vid asking people their opinion about England/Britain and pretty much everyone of working age / non student that he interviewed basically had us down as being their number enemy - they truly despise us now

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:15 am

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-gener ... 24358.html
Hmmm, another dodgy death.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:28 am

https://x.com/gloooud/status/1693916043 ... Gkg4Pp-4vg

Footage of a Bradley IFV supporting dismounted infantry south of Robotyne.

Alanstevensonsgloves · Post by **Alanstevensonsgloves** » Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:01 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:28 pm
I'm in Phuket at the moment. Lots of Russians in our hotel..... They're a strange bunch... Ignorant, miserable bordering on angry looking.... Can't help wondering what they think of the English who are a minority here but always appear happy and content.

They are not a smily bunch. Remember this.....?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-44415769

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:23 pm

https://x.com/shashj/status/16940594865 ... Gkg4Pp-4vg

NATO Commanders advising Gen Zaluzhnyi to focus efforts on one axis of attack.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:48 am

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:23 pm
https://x.com/shashj/status/16940594865 ... Gkg4Pp-4vg

NATO Commanders advising Gen Zaluzhnyi to focus efforts on one axis of attack.

Here's an alternative view - top five paragraphs:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... st-22-2023

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:08 am

The sheer weight of the UKR artillery (now they’ve serious ammo ) is really starting to impact the front lines in the south .They’re 24/7 shelling pining down the RUS forces making serious defence difficult . Appears the minefields are the real hinderance to a major breakthrough. Ultimately all depends when the US decide enough is enough .

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:12 am

House a few doors down has been quieter since the occupant's were sanctioned (close relatives of one of Putin's pals who manufactures munitions). Not seen their roller or Lambo outside either since it was posted alongside addresses of paint retailers

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:17 am

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:02 am
There’s a Russian lad on YouTube that conducts street interviews in and around Moscow/St Petersburg on topics regarding the war / relations with other Countries etc:

https://youtube.com/@1420channel

Interesting that there’s a clear divide in attitudes in sort of over and under 25 as well as who (appears to be at least) educated and not.

Anyway, they he made one vid asking people their opinion about England/Britain and pretty much everyone of working age / non student that he interviewed basically had us down as being their number enemy - they truly despise us now

I’ve been once and as you say, I got the feeling we weren’t liked at all.
Also absolutely nobody speaks a word of English, or at at least they pretend not to understand if they do. It’s unlikely we would ever be allowed back but I’d certainly never go if we were

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:47 pm

I read an ex Russian general was claiming any F16 infrastructure in Ukraine would be swiftly blown up once near readiness.

I wonder what would be the implications / possibility of them being based over the borders in Poland / Slovakia? Can't say i'm overly familiar with the range of an F16. Could a NATO fuel tanker do in-flight refueling without this counting as NATO engagement?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:53 pm

Breaking news.
Take some of words as non fact, no one knows who was on board.
Took off from Moscow, allegedly, Pregozhin’s private jet.

https://t.me/pilotblog/6202

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:06 pm

Claims he was on the plane Russian Civil Avaition

https://t.me/pilotblog/6206

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:09 pm

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:47 pm
I read an ex Russian general was claiming any F16 infrastructure in Ukraine would be swiftly blown up once near readiness.

I wonder what would be the implications / possibility of them being based over the borders in Poland / Slovakia? Can't say i'm overly familiar with the range of an F16. Could a NATO fuel tanker do in-flight refueling without this counting as NATO engagement?

If an F16 took off from a NATO country then it would definitely count as NATO involvement.

Same as when Reagan bombed Libya and the B52s took off from RAF Fairford. We were seen as being jointly involved

Venkys4eva · Post by **Venkys4eva** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:18 pm

Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

Shock horror

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733

ALP · Post by **ALP** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:24 pm

Venkys4eva wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:18 pm
Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

Shock horror

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733

Well I'd never have thought that would happen

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:26 pm

Shot down by Moscow air defence ( so it says ) almost too bizzare even for Russia

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:28 pm

Kremlin sycophants are really struggling to spin this one

cbx750 · Post by **cbx750** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:29 pm

Croydon Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:09 pm
If an F16 took off from a NATO country then it would definitely count as NATO involvement.

Same as when Reagan bombed Libya and the B52s took off from RAF Fairford. We were seen as being jointly involved

Corrected that for you.

Same as when Reagan bombed Libya and the F111s took off from RAF Lakenheath. We were seen as being jointly involved

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:30 pm

Normally they drop out from hotel windows .
How will his troops take the news ?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:37 pm

Pretty sure Wagner are back to Africa /Syria and other Russian outposts etc as “ contracted soldiers “ aren’t they ? Putin played a cool hand not having him disappear right after ,thus averting more instability . But talk about a dead man walking..or flying in this case…

Fenwick · Post by **Fenwick** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:44 pm

He should have had an aisle seat

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:48 pm

cbx750 wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:29 pm
Corrected that for you.

Same as when Reagan bombed Libya and the F111s took off from RAF Lakenheath. We were seen as being jointly involved

Damn my terrible memory

As I was saying - We'll bomb again. Don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll bomb again some sunny day

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:53 pm

I wonder if Putin might have waited until he was complacent enough to take a flight with his family on board then took him out

It really wouldn't surprise me

Elbarad · Post by **Elbarad** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:54 pm

Who had Russian air defense shoots down his plane on their bingo card? I had falls out a window into wood chipper on mine.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:04 pm

I had 'splurts while drinking a cuppa and falls out of the cabin door in a tragic accident with no witnesses while flying to the plutonium factory'. Ooh, I was so close.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:23 pm

I had died suddenly if old age, aged 50 ish.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:37 pm

Telegram - if Prigozhin’s death is confirmed, the Kremlin with be taken (Wagner Mercenaries).

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:00 pm

Could be some interesting days ahead, all the army in Ukraine. Wagner already should they could just about get to Moscow. Just need a new leader and Putin is in real trouble here.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:04 pm

Always wondered what all that bizzare “Wagner in Belarus” was all about ,looks like some plan all along. If Wagner go to the front it would all make sense . I personally thought Priz had been bumped off ages ago .

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:05 pm

Really hope they retaliate. Would love to see Putin brought down by his own people.

In many ways the best thing they could do is go and fight against Russia in Ukraine.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:16 pm

What do I know?

Aren't they mercenaries? Won't they fight on the side of who is likely to pay them? The King is dead, long live the King, and all that? Won't they just turn their allegiance? Possibly to Putin?

As I said, I am no expert on any of this and love the input from those of you who clearly know plenty.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:17 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:04 pm
Always wondered what all that bizzare “Wagner in Belarus” was all about ,looks like some plan all along. If Wagner go to the front it would all make sense . I personally thought Priz had been bumped off ages ago .

Should have stayed at Huddersfield

Claret Toni · Post by **Claret Toni** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:30 pm

Evidently a nick name of the Wagner forces is orchestra.

So surprise, surprise Putin in a speech tonight commemorating the battle of Kursk stands in front of an orchestra. Just letting everyone know who authorised the plane crash that killed another 9 individuals.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:36 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 17, 2023 1:28 pm
I'm in Phuket at the moment. Lots of Russians in our hotel..... They're a strange bunch... Ignorant, miserable bordering on angry looking.... Can't help wondering what they think of the English who are a minority here but always appear happy and content.

You should visit Russia and you would understand why many are so surly. Dreadful place. They are conditioned. Great advert for Communism / Socialism. Not.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:12 pm

https://twitter.com/observer888888/stat ... GymdQ&s=19
Writing was on the wall.

MalaysiaMo · Post by **MalaysiaMo** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:09 am

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:36 pm
You should visit Russia and you would understand why many are so surly. Dreadful place. They are conditioned. Great advert for Communism / Socialism. Not.

Where've you been for the past 3-plus decades? Russia threw off the yoke of communism in December 1991 when the old USSR was disbanded and Boris Yeltsin became President of the new independent state of Russia. The current state of Russia says more about the effects of the last 30 years of rampant, gangster-controlled capitalism and Tzarism than communism, never mind socialism....

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:17 am

Seems a good summary of the Wagner situation.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... st-23-2023

A summary is that Putin has been eating away at Wagner since the rebellion, strangling it's finances and taking over its work. He felt confident enough to assassinate its leaders (Utkin was on board too apparently along with other maybe important Wagner officials) that any Wagner response could be controlled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66599774

At 0635 it gives a list of passengers on the plane and what their position was with Wagner.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:50 am

GUR - UKR SF make landing in Crimea to conduct operation.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:54 am

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:50 am
GUR - UKR SF make landing in Crimea to conduct operation.

Worth noting this was an Independence Day publicity stunt albeit a very good one indeed ,showing that UKR can indeed strike and enter Crimea . Pretty sure with a touch more progress in the south they can seriously start to facilitate long distance artillery shelling which would be a huge game changer .

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:00 pm

Hipper wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:17 am
Seems a good summary of the Wagner situation.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... st-23-2023

A summary is that Putin has been eating away at Wagner since the rebellion, strangling it's finances and taking over its work. He felt confident enough to assassinate its leaders (Utkin was on board too apparently along with other maybe important Wagner officials) that any Wagner response could be controlled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66599774

At 0635 it gives a list of passengers on the plane and what their position was with Wagner.

I’d have loved to see Putin have a Gaddafi like end or I’d even settle for a Hitler bunker style as the army would quickly change sides if (IMO) , things were really happening .Alas he appears to have played this textbook dictator style .

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:49 am

There appears to be a real push from the UA towards Tokmak, now Robotyne has fallen. Tokmak still some distance away, and serves as a logistics hub for the Russians.

Zaluzhnyi quoted as saying they are on the cusp of a breakthrough.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:29 pm

https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1694904 ... 44474?s=46

Russia has sent in the T-10 tank…

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:32 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/black-sea-fl ... 49355.html
Morecattacks on the Russian fleet. Ukraine making good use of their drones.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:25 am

https://x.com/dalperovitch/status/16955 ... Gkg4Pp-4vg

Insight into the monumental challenges facing the Ukrainians when attacking Russian defensive lines.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Tue Sep 05, 2023 7:29 pm

First confirmed loss today of a Challenger 2 near Robotyne.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Sep 05, 2023 7:46 pm

From what I’ve read, the consensus is the crew have destroyed the tank after it became damaged beyond repair
The turret is still attached etc

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:18 pm

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 05, 2023 7:29 pm
First confirmed loss today of a Challenger 2 near Robotyne.

There are pictures here https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1 ... 9118722428
There is also a claim here that the crew survived.
(As said above) - believed to be in battles around Robotyne; quite a lot of destruction in that area at the moment with the Ukrainians slowly but surely advancing.