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If you listen hard enough, you can hear the wind whistling though the Cricket Field Stand, and I'm sure its laughing.
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The ending of foreign ownership of Football clubs should be an aim.
There will be fans of Man City and Newcastle (effectively state sponsored) who will be revelling in Chelsea’s woes turning “blind eyes” at human rights abuses in those countries.
There will be fans of Man City and Newcastle (effectively state sponsored) who will be revelling in Chelsea’s woes turning “blind eyes” at human rights abuses in those countries.
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When you made this post did you stop to think, just for one second , whether or not those Chelsea fans , by singing Abramovich's name weren't mocking and effectively ridiculing the desperate plight of men , women , children and literally babes in arms, fleeing for their lives? Arent they people , as you put it , " facing difficulties " in life. Because they don't get much more "difficult" than fleeing war.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:32 amThe majority of these "diamond geezers" are no different to the people on here where watching their football club is a big part of their life and for some it probably plays a large factor in managing their mental health and wellbeing. Abramovich is the problem not the normal football fan and I find it really sad that people are so quick to laugh at other peoples problems.
I hope if you face difficulties in your life that the people around you give you support and dont just laugh and mock you
Those fans knew exactly what they were doing. They demonstrated total disrespect and a complete lack of empathy.
No you didn't. But if it gets you a response that you so crave ( and yes I'm guilty of pandering to it ) then you'll see that as job done eh!
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While I partially agree, I would argue our society is diminished by the fact that our authorities allow someone like Abramovich to own community assets and people are prepared to support him doing so and even chant his name.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:39 pmLots of Burnley fans have sung some terrible stuff about people including their death and Im sure the Chelsea fans have had a lot of goading (you just had to look at some of the threads on here) by other fans and this tribal mentality on both sides is a bit sad when it plummets into subjects as important as what is happening in the Ukraine.
A group of Chelsea fans singing Abramovich's name (likely in response to equally tasteless chants from opposition fans) does not make me want to laugh at the many true football fans and want to see them suffer and not able to follow and support one of the things they love the most in life.
If you want to laugh at them then fair enough but I really don't get this kind of attitude and for me its a reflection of the general sad state of our society
The people of Ukraine have tanks surrounding their cities because of people like him whatever we say, or Chelsea fan's feel, is as nothing compared to their suffering at this moment in time..!
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Tough day for jakub when he finds himself in agreement with DA the resident attention seeking troll
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Looks like the government have Ukrained on Chelsea's parade.
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Can't believe nobody has asked this ......... Will you still be able to buy a pie at half time ?
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Assuming that Chelsea have been fully funded using dubious money, will there be a case to expunge their results from the date of ownership dependent on court decisions? Otherwise the Premier could possibly be complicit?
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RA is nothing to do with the war the only thing he’s got in common is that he’s Russian are we saying all Russian citizens are responsible for putins actions.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:10 pmTough day for jakub when he finds himself in agreement with DA the resident attention seeking troll
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Other than prviding the steel for Russian tanks et al.........Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:46 pmRA is nothing to do with the war the only thing he’s got in common is that he’s Russian are we saying all Russian citizens are responsible for putins actions.
At least try to pretend you've cast a sideways glance at some form of research.....
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This was prior to the invasion in a business sense is he supposed to be dormant retrospectively in case a war happens later down the line.ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:49 pmOther than prviding the steel for Russian tanks et al.........
At least try to pretend you've cast a sideways glance at some form of research.....
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"Chelsea fans have assembled at Stamford Bridge"
Not sure on the title of the next Marvel film...
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Suggestions are that Government will allow the sale and talks with prospective buyers are continuing. As long as zero proceeds of the sale go to Abramovich.
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If you assist in building tanks at sub-market prices for steel, then when they are used in an invasion of Ukraine, it is justified that you be sanctioned, yesJakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:53 pmThis was prior to the invasion in a business sense is he supposed to be dormant retrospectively in case a war happens later down the line.
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Ive got to say if it was Burnley that were owned by RA I would want us to, not be allowed to full fill our season and be relegated.
I was and worried about the foreign investment in our club and that Mr Pace seamed the best of a possible few others with dubious connections. If I found out that he supported and was one of Putins cohorts, then I would demand he left our club and would accept that any punishment was due to the seller of the club previously and the FA in allowing such sales with out due dilliegence perhaps going forward clubs will be more careful and only deal with people that can prove they are worthy.
I was and worried about the foreign investment in our club and that Mr Pace seamed the best of a possible few others with dubious connections. If I found out that he supported and was one of Putins cohorts, then I would demand he left our club and would accept that any punishment was due to the seller of the club previously and the FA in allowing such sales with out due dilliegence perhaps going forward clubs will be more careful and only deal with people that can prove they are worthy.
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Excellent postLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:37 am2013 and very relevant today
https://twitter.com/matthewsyed/status/ ... 9220152322
it is still amazes me just how many "football fans" remain oblivious to these issues, including the sheer number that really do not care, all they want is their team to be better than all the others, for me better is more than just what appears on the pitch
We had that in spades, growing sustainably, fighting against the tide of billionaires and states rocking up at city clubs, chucking hundreds of millions at them and deliberately setting about to demolish the business models of the self sufficient by setting new inflated norms for transfer fees and wages - and what did we get? fans that wanted us to be more like them than rather than fans that sought to change the system - though that feels futile when FIFA and UEFA are the prime supporting protagonists
Meanwhile you have the ultimate owners (and yes I know they claim to have proved otherwise) of Manchester City and Newcastle United refusing to talk to the United States President about bringing sown the market price of crude and gas to offset dependence on the Russians. Still their fans think their ownerships are wonderful. - for those who do not believe any of this is connected there is a near 8000 post thread on this page which shows repeatedly that they are.
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Agree to an extent. It wasn’t an insignificant number either I guess.
But then I do think back to some of our fans behaviours… certain songs at Ewood in the early 2000’s … and the plane at the Etihad.
Happy that those who sang Roman’s name will be worried about the future of the club… but do have some sympathy for the genuine decent Chelsea fans (I’m sure they do exist )
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The sales are conducted by Chelsea though so it would have to sit in Chelsea’s accounts, at best as an “in and out” transaction that doesn’t benefit them. I’d be surprised if they were able to do it under the terms of the license.
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Not defending any of the morons that were singing about Abramovich just like I didn't defend the Burnely morons who organised the plane at Man City. I don't take any pleasure in any misery caused to the genuine Chelsea fans who are likely embarrassed by their clubs link to Russia and equally disgusted about what is happening.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:03 pmWhen you made this post did you stop to think, just for one second , whether or not those Chelsea fans , by singing Abramovich's name weren't mocking and effectively ridiculing the desperate plight of men , women , children and literally babes in arms, fleeing for their lives? Arent they people , as you put it , " facing difficulties " in life. Because they don't get much more "difficult" than fleeing war.
Those fans knew exactly what they were doing. They demonstrated total disrespect and a complete lack of empathy.
No you didn't. But if it gets you a response that you so crave ( and yes I'm guilty of pandering to it ) then you'll see that as job done eh!
If you and others want to use something horrendous as what is happening in the Ukraine to attack people who have nothing to do with it then thats your right to do so but as said I find it very sad.
In other news dont ever change
RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:49 amMOD: Personal, abusive post unacceptable and removed.
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Be angry at the government for allowing Russian money to fill up our country, not some old guy who's been supporting Chelsea all his life and has nothing to do with Abramovich or Putin and who feels equally horrified about the war in Ukraine as we both doClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:10 pmWhile I partially agree, I would argue our society is diminished by the fact that our authorities allow someone like Abramovich to own community assets and people are prepared to support him doing so and even chant his name.
The people of Ukraine have tanks surrounding their cities because of people like him whatever we say, or Chelsea fan's feel, is as nothing compared to their suffering at this moment in time..!
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The fans have benefitted from his ill-gotten gains this last 20 or so years, i think they can stomach a little famine after all that feast
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It will be very interesting to find out how many of our 'hierarchy' have Russian investment? Strongly suspect this is significant in our 'back foot' reactions to the whole situation!!!
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This schadenfreude is part of being a football fan for many.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:39 pmLots of Burnley fans have sung some terrible stuff about people including their death and Im sure the Chelsea fans have had a lot of goading (you just had to look at some of the threads on here) by other fans and this tribal mentality on both sides is a bit sad when it plummets into subjects as important as what is happening in the Ukraine.
A group of Chelsea fans singing Abramovich's name (likely in response to equally tasteless chants from opposition fans) does not make me want to laugh at the many true football fans and want to see them suffer and not able to follow and support one of the things they love the most in life.
If you want to laugh at them then fair enough but I really don't get this kind of attitude and for me its a reflection of the general sad state of our society
Chelsea fans have to take the rough with the smooth. They weren't complaining when those ill-gotten gains were buying them trophies. On the radio earlier I listened to a Chelsea fan from one of their supporters groups basically saying that Abramovich had done nothing wrong and he loves the club and other fans are jealous of him and there seem to be plenty like him out there. It's difficult to feel sympathy for them.
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As I say, the only moral stance would be to expunge their results.
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Let's hope the same happens to Newcastle and Man City in future with regards to their dubious ownerships.
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Not often I agree with Ringo, but he’s spot on with the above.RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:03 pmWhen you made this post did you stop to think, just for one second , whether or not those Chelsea fans , by singing Abramovich's name weren't mocking and effectively ridiculing the desperate plight of men , women , children and literally babes in arms, fleeing for their lives? Arent they people , as you put it , " facing difficulties " in life. Because they don't get much more "difficult" than fleeing war.
Those fans knew exactly what they were doing. They demonstrated total disrespect and a complete lack of empathy.
No you didn't. But if it gets you a response that you so crave ( and yes I'm guilty of pandering to it ) then you'll see that as job done eh!
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Abramovich needs to specify exactly where the proceeds of the sale of the club will go. To say they will go to those affected by the war in Ukraine can mean anything. Families of Russian soldiers ? Businesses closed as a result of sanctions?
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Agree. I mean, their much loved captain John Terry posted on social media last week a picture with Abramovich with a caption ‘THE BEST’.aggi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:43 pmThis schadenfreude is part of being a football fan for many.
Chelsea fans have to take the rough with the smooth. They weren't complaining when those ill-gotten gains were buying them trophies. On the radio earlier I listened to a Chelsea fan from one of their supporters groups basically saying that Abramovich had done nothing wrong and he loves the club and other fans are jealous of him and there seem to be plenty like him out there. It's difficult to feel sympathy for them.
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If you were Man United you'd be going after Tuchel pronto
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You have to wonder how much money chelsea have in the bank.
They're loss making as it is and without the ability to raise funds via player sales, reduced matchday revenue etc someone should be asking if they've got enough money to finish the season.
They're loss making as it is and without the ability to raise funds via player sales, reduced matchday revenue etc someone should be asking if they've got enough money to finish the season.
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Ideally Ukraine for rebuildingTheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:06 pmWhere would the proceeds go then? The treasury? And who would negotiate the sale?
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Ideally Ukraine for rebuildingTheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:06 pmWhere would the proceeds go then? The treasury? And who would negotiate the sale?
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No pies.
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Will the government be sanctioning itself for taking Russian money ?
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They’ll be playing in shirts turned inside out tonight then
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Putin's People is a "good read."Chester Perry wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:17 pmExcellent post
it is still amazes me just how many "football fans" remain oblivious to these issues, including the sheer number that really do not care, all they want is their team to be better than all the others, for me better is more than just what appears on the pitch
We had that in spades, growing sustainably, fighting against the tide of billionaires and states rocking up at city clubs, chucking hundreds of millions at them and deliberately setting about to demolish the business models of the self sufficient by setting new inflated norms for transfer fees and wages - and what did we get? fans that wanted us to be more like them than rather than fans that sought to change the system - though that feels futile when FIFA and UEFA are the prime supporting protagonists
Meanwhile you have the ultimate owners (and yes I know they claim to have proved otherwise) of Manchester City and Newcastle United refusing to talk to the United States President about bringing sown the market price of crude and gas to offset dependence on the Russians. Still their fans think their ownerships are wonderful. - for those who do not believe any of this is connected there is a near 8000 post thread on this page which shows repeatedly that they are.
I've heard others argue that Abramovich bought Chelsea as part of Putin's strategy, infiltrate and weaken the west, using sport as "soft power" and influence. This is a little different from as Syed argues as protection from Putin taking away Abramovich's ill-gotten gains from Yeltsin's privatisation years.
Back when Abramovich bought Chelsea I'd often make the comment that Chelsea fans should be submitting "money laundering" suspicious transaction reports at 3pm every Saturday afternoon. OK, yes, we've all got used to the idea that the Premier League was a game for billionaires.
A little confession of self-interest: Chelsea Community Foundation have been running the best walking football set-up across a broad area of south and west London and suburbs. I've enjoyed joining their games. Be interesting to see if the charity can continue. I'd be surprised if the £5 a game covers all their costs.
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I take it you weren’t there Saturday mate, will definitely have to agree to disagree on this one even if I do understand where you are coming from to an extentDevils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:39 pmLots of Burnley fans have sung some terrible stuff about people including their death and Im sure the Chelsea fans have had a lot of goading (you just had to look at some of the threads on here) by other fans and this tribal mentality on both sides is a bit sad when it plummets into subjects as important as what is happening in the Ukraine.
A group of Chelsea fans singing Abramovich's name (likely in response to equally tasteless chants from opposition fans) does not make me want to laugh at the many true football fans and want to see them suffer and not able to follow and support one of the things they love the most in life.
If you want to laugh at them then fair enough but I really don't get this kind of attitude and for me its a reflection of the general sad state of our society
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I know what’s happening here cannot even be compared with a lot of things that have happened within football but you are so right that fans are oblivious to issues or just don’t care whatever those issues are as long as their team is winning.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:17 pmExcellent post
it is still amazes me just how many "football fans" remain oblivious to these issues, including the sheer number that really do not care, all they want is their team to be better than all the others, for me better is more than just what appears on the pitch
We had that in spades, growing sustainably, fighting against the tide of billionaires and states rocking up at city clubs, chucking hundreds of millions at them and deliberately setting about to demolish the business models of the self sufficient by setting new inflated norms for transfer fees and wages - and what did we get? fans that wanted us to be more like them than rather than fans that sought to change the system - though that feels futile when FIFA and UEFA are the prime supporting protagonists
Meanwhile you have the ultimate owners (and yes I know they claim to have proved otherwise) of Manchester City and Newcastle United refusing to talk to the United States President about bringing sown the market price of crude and gas to offset dependence on the Russians. Still their fans think their ownerships are wonderful. - for those who do not believe any of this is connected there is a near 8000 post thread on this page which shows repeatedly that they are.
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No problem with people disagreeing but I take no joy is decent football fans getting caught up in something that is outside their control and potentially losing something very important in their life.Burnley1989 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:27 pmI take it you weren’t there Saturday mate, will definitely have to agree to disagree on this one even if I do understand where you are coming from to an extent
I have no sympathy for the morons and if it results in Chelsea struggling and ending up being down with us or lower then all the better(noone deserves to be have a top team) but if because of this (and especially after Covid) good honest football fans aren't able to meet their friends and watch their team then they genuinely have my sympathy.
Im sure if you met a group of normal Chelsea fans no different to me an you who were suffering because they were unable to watch their team there is no way I think you would laugh at them and have the attitude of it serves you right. I think you would have sympathy for them like me.
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Brilliant post CP - I agree whole heartedly with this.Chester Perry wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:17 pmExcellent post
it is still amazes me just how many "football fans" remain oblivious to these issues, including the sheer number that really do not care, all they want is their team to be better than all the others, for me better is more than just what appears on the pitch
We had that in spades, growing sustainably, fighting against the tide of billionaires and states rocking up at city clubs, chucking hundreds of millions at them and deliberately setting about to demolish the business models of the self sufficient by setting new inflated norms for transfer fees and wages - and what did we get? fans that wanted us to be more like them than rather than fans that sought to change the system - though that feels futile when FIFA and UEFA are the prime supporting protagonists
Meanwhile you have the ultimate owners (and yes I know they claim to have proved otherwise) of Manchester City and Newcastle United refusing to talk to the United States President about bringing sown the market price of crude and gas to offset dependence on the Russians. Still their fans think their ownerships are wonderful. - for those who do not believe any of this is connected there is a near 8000 post thread on this page which shows repeatedly that they are.
Sickening some of the sentiments of Chelsea ‘fans’ (from 2004 onwards) worldwide in their seeming unanimous support of Abramovich.
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Very well said, Ringo!RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:03 pmWhen you made this post did you stop to think, just for one second , whether or not those Chelsea fans , by singing Abramovich's name weren't mocking and effectively ridiculing the desperate plight of men , women , children and literally babes in arms, fleeing for their lives? Arent they people , as you put it , " facing difficulties " in life. Because they don't get much more "difficult" than fleeing war.
Those fans knew exactly what they were doing. They demonstrated total disrespect and a complete lack of empathy.
No you didn't. But if it gets you a response that you so crave ( and yes I'm guilty of pandering to it ) then you'll see that as job done eh!
Perhaps it's not true what the majority on here say about you after all!
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If that prick Tim Lovejoy is upset by any of this, then that’ll do for me.
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That’s pretty much the most idealistic view of Chelsea fans I’ve ever read DA. Those poor little everyday fans who were true football supporters.
As others have said they cared nothing for football but flocked to support a business model that provided them with 1.5 Billion in loans and sought to make clubs like ours unsustainable.
All they wanted was glory. I’m sure you can’t provide me one bit of proof that those poor little fans were bothered about clubs like ours and football as some sort of medication for mental health issues of normal fans (your suggestion). They were happy to see us disappear in their blind greed.
There was no voice of sympathy for the rest of football or clubs like ours from those fictional fans so it’s very difficult to feel sympathetic for them and you are pedalling guff as boringly usual.
As others have said they cared nothing for football but flocked to support a business model that provided them with 1.5 Billion in loans and sought to make clubs like ours unsustainable.
All they wanted was glory. I’m sure you can’t provide me one bit of proof that those poor little fans were bothered about clubs like ours and football as some sort of medication for mental health issues of normal fans (your suggestion). They were happy to see us disappear in their blind greed.
There was no voice of sympathy for the rest of football or clubs like ours from those fictional fans so it’s very difficult to feel sympathetic for them and you are pedalling guff as boringly usual.
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I hope that is where it will hopefully end up. I was thinking more immediately; who would be selling the club and who would the buyer pay for it?