If we somehow stay up,go down and get back up, is a change in how we play essential?

[bfcjg]

Ok we might never get back but forget that. There is an argument that our style has kept us up for much longer then we or pundits thought, and without covid and the takeover and maybe a better rub of the green we would have been safe this season .
Personally I am getting a tadge bored watching some of the football and the comments from other fans along the lines of how do you watch that every week etc.
We have played some brilliant football under Dyche especially when we had Defour but we didn't sustain it .
I think Dyche has been ordered to ensure that we cannot get relegated rather like Cotterill was and that is his mindset, and the football has reflected that.
For me we need to change,solid yes boring at times,bus parking etc but more flair is desperately required if we ever play in the Prem again.

[Iloveyoubrady]

Will be interesting to see how dyche rebuilds. Think he’d like to improve his image as well. He clearly likes a mixed build up because he says it all the time. Problem is, when we play badly it is anything but mixed, about as repetitive as you can be.

[beddie]

A number of young legs will be required, especially in the middle of the park, it’s a re build I’m afraid and that will take time especially with limited on finances. Patience from us all will be a must.

[RVclaret]

Will be interesting to see how dyche rebuilds. Think he’d like to improve his image as well. He clearly likes a mixed build up because he says it all the time. Problem is, when we play badly it is anything but mixed, about as repetitive as you can be.

He’s had almost 10 years here but I’d argue his first full season was actually the best football we’ve played under him (up there with the Defour season imo). Vings, Trippier and the pressing of Marney, it was great. He’s had plenty of chances to improve our style of play but it’s not really happened.

[Blatherwickstattoo]

Dyche hasn’t moved with the times in terms of tactics. He’s the exact same as he’s always been, rigid, one dimensional and predictable.

He’s also that stubborn he won’t change.

Alan pace darent say anything to him either.

[RVclaret]

David Moyes is a great example of a manager who has evolved with the times. He was well known for a while for rigid and direct football. Yet his return to West Ham this time has seen him develop significantly tactically, he is now a very smart tactician, as his teams performance last night against La Liga’s 2nd best team suggested. Maybe it was some time away from the game that helped.

[Belial]

The best we've played from an entertainment point of view was the season where we finished 7th. Largely due to Defour's creativity, Brady's best time with us, and high confidence spread to the rest of the team. It proved that we could mix it up, however we've had nobody since that has an ounce of creativity in them, maybe Dyche wants them to play like that but knows how restricted they are, or maybe he's gone back to basics with his tactics. I'd like to think if we can pick a CM with some creativity to unlock the potential of Cornet, Wout and some of the others that we'd actually see some enjoyable football mixed in again. Fine details!

[Quickenthetempo]

Yep.

We need an exciting spell where fans bust a gut to want to be there.
Now, financial matters get discussed on here more than the football.

Shane Warne said of Monty Panasar that he didn't play 50 Test matches. He played 1 Test match, 50 times.
Exactly the same with Dyche.

[Rowls]

He's rarely had those vital Trippier/Ings or Defour/Brady combinations to play with but when he has, we've played a much more pleasing style of football.

[Quickenthetempo]

He's rarely had those vital Trippier/Ings or Defour/Brady combinations to play with but when he has, we've played a much more pleasing style of football.

A different manager could play far better football with this squad than we do.

[Spijed]

A different manager could play far better football with this squad than we do.

Surely if that was the case then other teams with similar budgets to ours would have stopped in the Prem for a similar time.

The fact that there aren't any suggests it's simply not possible to play more expansive football and stay up season after season.

[Tall Paul]

It's a myth that we played creative football in the season we finished 7th. We scored less than a goal a game and our xG per 90 (or measure of quality of chances) was lower than it is this season.

[Quickenthetempo]

Surely if that was the case then other teams with similar budgets to ours would have stopped in the Prem for a similar time.

The fact that there aren't any suggests it's simply not possible to play more expansive football and stay up season after season.

There's too many variables to answer your question but I'm on about playing better football.

Just like Coyle benefited from inheriting decent footballers, held back by crap/boring tactics under Cotterill. The new manager here, if the right one, could as well.

[warksclaret]

Dyche hasn’t moved with the times in terms of tactics. He’s the exact same as he’s always been, rigid, one dimensional and predictable.

He’s also that stubborn he won’t change.

Alan pace darent say anything to him either.

Fully agree. I listened to an interview on Talk Sport yesterday with Matty Cash the Villa full back, on what life was like under Gerrard. It was an eye opener on what Gerrard and his coaches had introduced on the training ground-things that were simply not being done by Deane Smith and Craig Shakespeare. He claims they have made him a better player working on aspects of his all round game in training. Identifying bad aspects of his play from the previous game (plus the good aspects)and trying to remedy it. He cited his crossing and cut backs being a major improvement now when he attacks. No coincidence he is scoring now and assisting goals. THey also spend endless time on defensive set ups once they had fully analysed the next opponents. In Cash's case they would analyse the winger he will next play against and how they can be contained. I think Gerrard is equipping himself well in the PL and one day I see him at Anfield

[AlargeClaret]

When we add a few quality young players to our squad it will allow the manager more open attacking options . Dyche is a pragmatist and plays to the few strengths we have

[ClaretPete001]

You can't compete like for like over 38 games with teams that can afford much better players. To compete against all the odds you have to have players that would not get into any other Premier team but are really good within a system so the sum of the parts becomes greater than the individuals.

The consequence is the style and formation becomes the same but players can be targeted efficiently and like for like replacements bought.

It worked well but somewhat fell apart with the purchases of Vydra and Gibson and then nothing until this season.

If you want to watch Premiership football as a Burnley fan you won't do it playing expansive football.

[Quickenthetempo]

You can't compete like for like over 38 games with teams that can afford much better players. To compete against all the odds you have to have players that would not get into any other Premier team but are really good within a system so the sum of the parts becomes greater than the individuals.

The consequence is the style and formation becomes the same but players can be targeted efficiently and like for like replacements bought.

It worked well but somewhat fell apart with the purchases of Vydra and Gibson and then nothing until this season.

If you want to watch Premiership football as a Burnley fan you won't do it playing expansive football.

Is expansive football classed as aiming for each other or playing balls that favour our players winning?

[Belial]

It's a myth that we played creative football in the season we finished 7th. We scored less than a goal a game and our xG per 90 (or measure of quality of chances) was lower than it is this season.

That maybe the case RE xG (I haven't checked) however I'd challenge you to find someone who says the last 2 seasons have been more enjoyable to watch

[Tall Paul]

That maybe the case RE xG (I haven't checked) however I'd challenge you to find someone who says the last 2 seasons have been more enjoyable to watch

That's because it's winning football matches that makes football enjoyable and we won plenty of games in that season mostly 1-0, despite not creating any more chances than we have done in the last couple.

Yes, creating more good chances makes winning games more likely, but that isn't what happened in 17/18.

[Woonderbah]

The destinies of both BFC and Sean Dyche boil down to the next 11 games.
We know what's needed.. nicking draws won't be enough.. we need wins.
If SD has ambitions of managing at a more top end Premier League club then the next 11 games will be his curriculum vitae.. Clubs that have been tracking his career and see him as a potential manager for them will be watching closely.
Can he send out a team and affect the game with tactics and substitutions to win a game rather than not get beaten ?
Forget that 'he's the best man to get us back up' because top end clubs don't consider relegation.
I really hope he can unleash the team we've seen in patches this season and get some welcome winning momentum.

[ClaretPete001]

Is expansive football classed as aiming for each other or playing balls that favour our players winning?

Passing to each other in tight spaces under pressure is the difference between world class players and ordinary ones.

Burnley will not be able to afford 14 or 15 players that can play like that to sustain a Premiership place for 6 years.

The key to Burnley's success was the fact that our players ran harder and covered more ground than anyone else's with two banks of four, a serious press and at least one big lad who knocked lumps out of the opposition and could win the ball in the air because it doesn't matter how good at football you are you won't beat a big lad who can jump. And when you only have 40 per cent possession you need to be able to clear the lines.

[beddie]

David Moyes is a great example of a manager who has evolved with the times. He was well known for a while for rigid and direct football. Yet his return to West Ham this time has seen him develop significantly tactically, he is now a very smart tactician, as his teams performance last night against La Liga’s 2nd best team suggested. Maybe it was some time away from the game that helped.

I agree with what you say about Moyes and it’s deserving. Obviously I don’t know whether Dyche can change to more freedom football, the only thing I would add about Moyes is that he’s had a good amount of money to spend in comparison to Dyche and of course other clubs with bigger budgets offer players better terms. Better players are often tactically better and faster. At this time Moyes wouldn’t get anymore out of our current squad, no matter how tactically better he might be. Let’s be honest we’ve been punching for sometime and we might now have to get used to a few seasons below the big boys.

[Vegas Claret]

we used to out run teams to make up for the gap in ability, they now all run harder or match us plus they have better quality. We are ******* in the wind with 80% of our current players at this level now. That's the reality.

[LordBob]

if we stay up I am expecting a barrow load of sawdust to be dumped on my driveway and then I have no doubt several of my 'friends' will arrive to gloat as I attempt to plait the stuff, I reckon I'm safe though.