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Weghorst

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:15 pm

Have we still got the receipt?

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Vino blanco » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:17 pm

I would play him in midfield before any of our current lot.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by ElectroClaret » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:19 pm

Might be ok in the Championship.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by jedi_master » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:20 pm

The Dutch Nikola Zigic.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm

A scapegoat and others are far poorer tonight than him
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Shaggy » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm

Maybe if he played in a team that was more on his level instead of a hoofball side. We are pathetic under this current management. He’s kept a hold of a squad and let it rot away.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by CnBtruntru » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm

We keep kicking in the air, cannot bring him into game if ball is not on the floor.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm
We keep kicking in the air, cannot bring him into game if ball is not on the floor.
He’s 6 foot 6

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Re: Weghorst

Post by bf2k » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:22 pm

You lot seriously calling him out? Have you a clue? What has he and Jay (equally as useless) been able to feed off? That approach play is utter garbage
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Re: Weghorst

Post by PWBFC » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:23 pm

Harsh to single him out. Struggling tonight but obviously a good player needing more from those around him.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by jedi_master » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:24 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm
A scapegoat and others are far poorer tonight than him
There have been worse than him but he’s been very poor. It’s a question of whether he’s better than it appears but doesn’t suit Dyche’s style (in which case poor signing), or is simply not good enough.

One thing is for sure, he certainly isn’t a target man.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:24 pm

Can’t blame wout. The midfield is genuinely not there. They are somehow too high when we defend and too deep when we attack. Absolute shite apart from first 15 ish mins.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by CnBtruntru » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:27 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm
He’s 6 foot 6
Sadly he is not good in the air, however Cornet is and he is 5'10 1/2"

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Re: Weghorst

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:30 pm

You wonder if we really scouted him. Or did we just think "he's tall, scores goals in the German league, plays for Holland...
He'll do for the way we play.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by KRBFC » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:02 pm

Yeah he doesn't fit our style of play at all and I don't care how tall he is, he can't header a ball. If you play into his feet, he rarely loses the ball and lays it off really well. 2 or 3 times tonight he's alive in the 6 yard box for the cut back and the ball doesn't reach him. Wout and Jay had 0 shots between them (the Jay goal aside), they just aren't supplied well enough often enough.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:04 pm

CnBtruntru wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:27 pm
Sadly he is not good in the air,
So why play hoofball ?

As bad a first half as seen all season from both sides

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Re: Weghorst

Post by NewClaret » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:06 pm

Very good player. Let down by our constant hoofball.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by BabylonClaret » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:09 pm

If Chris Wood was doing what he is doing at thee moment he would be getting double pelters.

Early days as this league is a lot gaster than he is used to. But even when played to him he's struggling to control it at the mo. It's not just "hitting it long to jim" either

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Re: Weghorst

Post by DCWat » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:09 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:04 pm
So why play hoofball ?

As bad a first half as seen all season from both sides
The first half was fine until Westwood’s moment of stupidity. It was oh so typical - have a team on the ropes and then hand the momentum to the opposition.

I said it after City, and I’ll repeat it again after tonight, Weghorst does not look happy. There’s a player in there but we’ve got to learn to involve him effectively.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:13 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:09 pm
I said it after City, and I’ll repeat it again after tonight, Weghorst does not look happy. There’s a player in there but we’ve got to learn to involve him effectively.
So don't play hoofball

I believe he was 2nd top goal scorer in Germany to Lewandowski when we signed him - so he can't be that bad if you play to his strengths
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Re: Weghorst

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:17 pm

Definitely wasn't happy when he came off. Grabbed his jumper and stomped down to the far end of the dugout away from everybody.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Bigvince » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:19 pm

On a night that we get a real shot in the arm for our survival chances, some people need to find some negatives
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Re: Weghorst

Post by joey13 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:22 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:17 pm
Definitely wasn't happy when he came off. Grabbed his jumper and stomped down to the far end of the dugout away from everybody.
Can’t fault him for that

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Joe14 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:23 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:17 pm
Definitely wasn't happy when he came off. Grabbed his jumper and stomped down to the far end of the dugout away from everybody.
After high fiving the entire bench ;)

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Re: Weghorst

Post by ecc » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:27 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:19 pm
On a night that we get a real shot in the arm for our survival chances, some people need to find some negatives
Bang on, Bigvince.

I was stupid to open the thread.

I mean, damn it, we won a game we absolutely had to win.2-1 down (two penalties, you know those things we never get given) and we manage to win.

We have a colossal challenge on our hands but when you show you CAN actually win a match and against the team above you, you just take it and savour it.

Don't you?
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Re: Weghorst

Post by JimmyRobbo » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:29 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:02 pm
Yeah he doesn't fit our style of play at all and I don't care how tall he is, he can't header a ball. If you play into his feet, he rarely loses the ball and lays it off really well. 2 or 3 times tonight he's alive in the 6 yard box for the cut back and the ball doesn't reach him. Wout and Jay had 0 shots between them (the Jay goal aside), they just aren't supplied well enough often enough.
I don't always agree with your comments and have criticised you in the past. I think you are very astute here. For Jay's goal, he was available making a great run. I think he has great touches and plays people in very well. We've not gelled with him yet but he is a much better player than some people on here can see.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by COBBLE » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:33 pm

Go away. Got a 1 in 2 games record. He needs the ball to his feet. He contributed to the 2nd goal by drawing the Everton defence to him.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by JohnMac » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:40 pm

Technically on a different level to nearly all of our squad.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by conyoviejo » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:43 pm

Thought his all round play and distribution tonight was good,but he wasn't given any chances at all to score. Fair play to the lad .
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Cubanforever » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:44 pm

There were a couple of times where he didn't get the ball played to him when he was in a great position...Collins tight angle shot in particular....give him a break he's fighting for us and he's not been here long
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Boroclaret » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:50 pm

Not a "Target Man'" in the sense of how we play. However he needs to adjust and be stronger in looking after the ball when it comes to him.

Needs time to adjust. But the question is do we have that time this season?

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Re: Weghorst

Post by bobinho » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:50 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:21 pm
He’s 6 foot 6
Wtf does that mean? He’s 6’6” so we wallop it into the air? He’s technically excellent and you want to negate that by thumping high balls into the box because he’s tall?

Jesus feckin h Christ. Ur a genius and no mistake.

Technically very good indeed and probably better than all the other players with the ball at their feet, works his swingers off all over the pitch, even out wide because he’s making up for others and you wanna give him ****?

Mate, seriously, go watch ice hockey or netball… football ain’t for you.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by bobinho » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:53 pm

BabylonClaret wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:09 pm
If Chris Wood was doing what he is doing at thee moment he would be getting double pelters.

Early days as this league is a lot gaster than he is used to. But even when played to him he's struggling to control it at the mo. It's not just "hitting it long to jim" either
If only Chris wood was ever capable of playing others into the game like Wout, he would’ve been cut some slack.

Miles apart. The gulf in class between them can be seen from space.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by SalisburyClaret » Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:54 pm

Astonishing to pick him out for criticism.
No chances for him tonight so he made chances for others, was exceptional in midfield and his defensive work was outstanding. A real team player who gives 100%
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Re: Weghorst

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:03 pm

There’s a very good player in there and no reason he’d can’t be that player for us. If we stay up and he has a full pre season to properly integrate that will make the world of difference.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Milltown1882 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:05 pm

bobinho wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:50 pm
Wtf does that mean? He’s 6’6” so we wallop it into the air? He’s technically excellent and you want to negate that by thumping high balls into the box because he’s tall?

Jesus feckin h Christ. Ur a genius and no mistake.

Technically very good indeed and probably better than all the other players with the ball at their feet, works his swingers off all over the pitch, even out wide because he’s making up for others and you wanna give him ****?

Mate, seriously, go watch ice hockey or netball… football ain’t for you.
Probably played it at a significantly higher level than you. Enjoy your night pal.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by bobinho » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:10 pm

Probably?

Not sure then?

I’m enjoying my night pal, probably significantly more than you. Put the “gear” down, get ya napper down, have a think in the morning and come back better and stronger for the rest.

Night.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:10 pm

I like him. Works hard. Good footballer. We just need to get the ball into his feet more.
Great movement to find space which would have resulted in a tap in with a better cross from Collins
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Papabendi » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:15 pm

Not the player we thought he was. Probably better. A technician. Not suited to our current set up unfortunately whereby we manage to pass the ball correctly and get moves right only in patches. Most of the time the ball is all over the place.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Boss Hogg » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:16 pm

We don’t play to his strengths but I was never convinced he would score that many. He’s not a target man and looks better deeper Technically good but he’s playing in a much faster league which can take some adjusting to.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Conroy92 » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:18 pm

Looks good with the ball at his chest or feet, the sort of striker who needs players running off him. Looks poor in the air so doesn't quite fit with the current tactics.
Because of how deep he currently drops, probably due to our weaknesses in midfield, we've either given possession away or made the cross by the time he's made it back to the box.
We need to strengthen in the centre so Weghorst can get further forward.
I think Vydra would be an interesting partner for him, someone with a bit of pace he can slip in.
I'm wondering if we should revert to Jay and Vydra starting for the remainder of the season and have a pre season next year to figure out where Weghorst fits and hopefully get some players in to compliment him.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by RMutt » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:20 pm

Daft opening post.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by jdrobbo » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:17 am

Papabendi wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:15 pm
Not the player we thought he was. Probably better. A technician. Not suited to our current set up unfortunately whereby we manage to pass the ball correctly and get moves right only in patches. Most of the time the ball is all over the place.
We’ve disagreed on a few things recently (namely Jack Cork) but this I concur with wholeheartedly. Give him the ball chest down and he’s excellent. We’re currently playing to his biggest weakness. He’s a very clever player with balls to feet.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Indecisive » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:28 am

During that mini hot streak we played into his feet more. He was really really effective.

Great result today but the performance wasn’t at the levels of the other month. Hopefully we’ll get back there. I’m still pretty confident he will be an incredibly important player for us.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by jdrobbo » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:30 am

Indecisive wrote:
Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:28 am
During that mini hot streak we played into his feet more. He was really really effective.

Great result today but the performance wasn’t at the levels of the other month. Hopefully we’ll get back there. I’m still pretty confident he will be an incredibly important player for us.
We’re teetering on a knife edge. Go down, we likely lose Cornet and Wout. Stay up, we likely bring in better central midfield quality and build an evolving team around the aforementioned duo.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by BabylonClaret » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:33 am

I think he is still adjusting. Its a tough league and players are often surprised how hard it is - it's fast and you need to be strong too.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:42 am

I was hoping to see him with Vydra up top as they both like to bring others into the game.

That's for another week though. It worked out well tonight.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Wile E Coyote » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:47 am

the standard of our dumbheaded fans is embarrassing, weghorst is a very good footballer .
Quite how they fail to see what he does is beyond belief.
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Re: Weghorst

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:15 am

Weghorst is quality, just as Lukaku is quality, but if you don't play to their strengths then you are hanging them out to dry. These is nothing wrong with Wout, just the way we play. He'll continue to look poor until we change our style, only he isn't poor, only our football is.

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Re: Weghorst

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:23 am

bobinho wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 10:53 pm
If only Chris wood was ever capable of playing others into the game like Wout, he would’ve been cut some slack.

Miles apart. The gulf in class between them can be seen from space.
Yes one player can score goals in this league and the other is yet to be seen.

Weghorst is far too slow he’s never going to score regularly in this league.

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