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Re: Name the next manager

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:52 am

n_ero wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:38 am
Surprised nobody has mentioned Benitez......
He was mentioned earlier in the thread, even if we were interested in him, I can't see why he'd entertain joining a club heading to the Championship.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by HunterST_BFC » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 am

Duff and Wade in the Summer may be a wild card.
We are now even more unlikely to stay up post SD.

Simply because whoever we get will be always compared to SD.

At least Duff and Wade may get supporter backing.
Can't say that for other candidates.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:00 am

I’d be very happy with Wilder but with Boro still near a playoff place it probably won’t happen. Critchley would be a more realistic choice and somebody who ticks a lot of boxes. If we go for a Big Sam type option, I’ll probably not bother any more.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by shulgin » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:18 am

Evatt at Bolton? Doing a good rebuilding job there plus his exploits at Barrowcelona!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by n_ero » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:22 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:52 am
He was mentioned earlier in the thread, even if we were interested in him, I can't see why he'd entertain joining a club heading to the Championship.
Apologies, missed any post mentioning him. However, isn’t that what he did when he went to Newcastle?

I think he knows he isn’t going to get a ‘big’ club again and after the Everton fiasco (which he shouldn’t have taken in the first place) he has what could be termed as a point to prove. He would command the respect of everyone in the squad. And he is fairly local.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:34 am

Name the next manager.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by DCWat » Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:47 am

Looking at some well rated managers, doing well with more unfashionable teams and limited budgets, Urs Fischer and Christian Streich would appear, on paper, to be worth a look.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:16 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:31 am
Something rather ironic about Dande’s love for Dyche but hatred for Cotterill, just proves that there could be more than one way (albeit almost identical) to skin a cat.
One achieved 7 seasons in the premier league, 2 promotions from the championship including a league win, a European qualification and transformed the club from top to bottom, pretty much constantly delivering results way in advance of resources available.

The other had the club bobbing about in the bottom half of the division below, winning nothing and pretty much constantly delivering results below the resources available. His biggest achievement was installing a new bridge at Gawthorpe.

Some fans will tell you that their football is the same. Those fans are only assessing the aesthetics of certain parts of the game, and missing huge differences in what they actually set teams up to achieve.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:45 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:36 pm
The majority of under performing football clubs operate on a hire and fire basis. Watford are probably the only ones who are remotely close to being above expected results.

But hey, why not follow the rest of the clubs, spunking 150% plus wages to turnover in the championship and paying multiple coaching squads, further growing the debt and crippling the club.
If it works it works, a valid reason must exist why some club's prefer that approach mainly an unsettled fanbase, no manager should ever feel he's secure to the extent that results don't matter, dyche in some ways was toxic for the club with the unhealthy amount of control.he was allowed to have & pace has took him down a peg or two & showed him who's boss, hopefully it will serve a stern reminder that in the future it's unhealthy to let that same situation develop again. For years amongst some people it felt like dyche FC & not burnley FC.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:00 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:16 am
One achieved 7 seasons in the premier league, 2 promotions from the championship including a league win, a European qualification and transformed the club from top to bottom, pretty much constantly delivering results way in advance of resources available.

The other had the club bobbing about in the bottom half of the division below, winning nothing and pretty much constantly delivering results below the resources available. His biggest achievement was installing a new bridge at Gawthorpe.

Some fans will tell you that their football is the same. Those fans are only assessing the aesthetics of certain parts of the game, and missing huge differences in what they actually set teams up to achieve.
My point is that there were a number of fans that, similar to Dyche, believed that only Cotterill could get results with the squad we had and that he was the limit of what we could expect. Turns out they were wrong, That could easily be the case now.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:17 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:00 am
My point is that there were a number of fans that, similar to Dyche, believed that only Cotterill could get results with the squad we had and that he was the limit of what we could expect. Turns out they were wrong, That could easily be the case now.
My recollection of Cotterill was that there was a pretty even split about whether he was the right person for the job. From polls on Twitter / Facebook and comments on here I’d say it’s more of an 80% stating this is the wrong decision for Dyche.

Percentage wise, what do you think the chances of finding somebody who could improve in what Dyche did? Versus the percentage chance of ending up with somebody who will perform worse?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:45 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:17 am
My recollection of Cotterill was that there was a pretty even split about whether he was the right person for the job. From polls on Twitter / Facebook and comments on here I’d say it’s more of an 80% stating this is the wrong decision for Dyche.

Percentage wise, what do you think the chances of finding somebody who could improve in what Dyche did? Versus the percentage chance of ending up with somebody who will perform worse?
It’s unrealistic to constantly look back in the developing world of football. Dyche did some great things for this club which we should all be grateful for however the game had progressed and he hadn’t.

Can we find somebody who can replicated the development of the last 10 years? No way. Can we find somebody to improve on the last 10 months, even 18 months? Absolutely. And that is the point. In football, the past only goes so far in giving you a positive future.

Finally, if you want to consider fan polls, the last team in this situation was Leicester. It ended up being the right decision for them

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by clitheroeclaret3 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:50 am

Not bothered who it is really so long as they play good passing entertaining football

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:51 am

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:45 am
It’s unrealistic to constantly look back in the developing world of football. Dyche did some great things for this club which we should all be grateful for however the game had progressed and he hadn’t.

Can we find somebody who can replicated the development of the last 10 years? No way. Can we find somebody to improve on the last 10 months, even 18 months? Absolutely. And that is the point. In football, the past only goes so far in giving you a positive future.

Finally, if you want to consider fan polls, the last team in this situation was Leicester. It ended up being the right decision for them
Dyche hadn’t progressed? Or the clubs resources hadn’t progressed?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:59 am

Di Zerbi might want out of Shaktar Donestk, he’d be unreal

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:01 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:51 am
Dyche hadn’t progressed? Or the clubs resources hadn’t progressed?
Both!!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by taio » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:04 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:59 am
Di Zerbi might want out of Shaktar Donestk, he’d be unreal
Based on what?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by FeedTheArf » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:10 am

My preference would be to wake up and this be a bad dream! But if I HAD to go for a new manager it’d probably be Critchley.

The heart says Duff and Wade but I’ve got a feeling there are going to be some dark years ahead for us and I wouldn’t want to ruin their legacy with us.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by agreenwood » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:25 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:17 am
Percentage wise, what do you think the chances of finding somebody who could improve in what Dyche did? Versus the percentage chance of ending up with somebody who will perform worse?
I think you’re probably right to say there’s a larger % chance ending up worse, although I’d suggest two things. Firstly, I’m not sure we need to aim for an improvement on Dyche’s overall record. We’d probably be happy with marginally worse than his first 8 years. Statistically it’d probably be difficult not to improve on the win % of the past 18 months. Secondly, the odds are probably stacked firmly against him replicating what’s gone before in the next 2-3 years. For anyone in the same role for 10+ years, it’s hard to keep things fresh. I don’t think the Dyche we’re replacing now is necessarily the version/standard it would have been if you were doing it a few years ago.

So, if you’re asking if we are likely get better than Dyche at his peak, the answer is firmly no. That’s not what we’re replacing now though in my view.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:32 am

clitheroeclaret3 wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:50 am
Not bothered who it is really so long as they play good passing entertaining football
And win games?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:27 am

This guy is not even in the betting but heavily linked

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Burnley Ace » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:33 am

taio wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:04 am
Based on what?
He has two bits to his surname and a Z in it.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by texasbrit » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:34 am

Jackson will be in charge until the end of the season he has been working wonders with the under 23

then they will appoint based on the division we are in

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Stockbrokerbelt » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:38 am

If I was a betting man it will already have been agreed & announcement Monday, that might explain why all the coaching staff including Mercer have gone.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:39 am

texasbrit wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:34 am
Jackson will be in charge until the end of the season he has been working wonders with the under 23

then they will appoint based on the division we are in
Massive jump from u23 to premier league first team, Pace would of kept Dyche until the summer if that's the case, I think the new man will be inplace by Mon/Tue ready in time for our midweek home game, he's already said we've only got 8 games left to try and stay up

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Stu » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:39 am

texasbrit wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:34 am
Jackson will be in charge until the end of the season he has been working wonders with the under 23

then they will appoint based on the division we are in
If that’s the plan what was the point of sacking Dyche makes no sense at all .

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Blakesboots » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:50 am

If the owners are looking for a impact signing and want to be innovate and progress their commercial side; Emma Hayes would be a great choice. It wouldn’t be popular with the fan base, but I think she would be a fantastic manager for the club.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:24 am

Don't understand why Billy Mercer had to go also

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Wuggawumphwumph » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:27 am

Blakesboots wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:50 am
If the owners are looking for a impact signing and want to be innovate and progress their commercial side; Emma Hayes would be a great choice. It wouldn’t be popular with the fan base, but I think she would be a fantastic manager for the club.
Impact on pitch is what’s needed

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by It Is What It Is » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:29 am

Bilic is a good choice. He has been around the blocks and was pretty good at West Ham.
Anyone but Big Sam and Rooney

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Middle-agedClaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:34 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:05 pm
Nigel Pearson is probably one of the most ridiculous suggestions so far.
In your opinion, anyway.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Gaia » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:43 am

Rooney comment on Burnley.

It is a compliment to me and the staff when you are getting linked with Premier League clubs," he said. "I was surprised Sean Dyche had been sacked. He did a good job.

“I have seen various articles that I have been linked. What is important is keeping this club in the division. Long-term, my future is linked to the takeover being completed."

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Blakesboots » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:43 am

Wuggawumphwumph wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:27 am
Impact on pitch is what’s needed
You’d very likely get it with Emma. She’s an outstanding manager and tactician. She’s been in and around the mens game learning.

She’s a great coach already.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Gaia » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:55 am

Wilder on Burnley
When asked after Boro's goalless draw at Bournemouth, Wilder said: “I’ve not looked at it. Sean is a pal of mine. I think he’ll understand it in terms of how the industry is and there has obviously been a decision made. I’m not going to come out with anything in terms of this, that or the other. My head is down and I’m thinking, ‘onto Monday’.

"What I will say is that I think, without giving an opinion on the decision, he has done an incredible job there and I think it goes completely under the radar the job he does in terms of what goes on and the challenges he’s had at that football club. I think when people look back it, he’s been an incredible manager in the Premier League for a number of years.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Murger » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:13 pm

Blakesboots wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:43 am
You’d very likely get it with Emma. She’s an outstanding manager and tactician. She’s been in and around the mens game learning.

She’s a great coach already.
Now isn't the time to be experimenting.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Funkydrummer » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:13 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:25 am
I think you’re probably right to say there’s a larger % chance ending up worse, although I’d suggest two things. Firstly, I’m not sure we need to aim for an improvement on Dyche’s overall record. We’d probably be happy with marginally worse than his first 8 years. Statistically it’d probably be difficult not to improve on the win % of the past 18 months. Secondly, the odds are probably stacked firmly against him replicating what’s gone before in the next 2-3 years. For anyone in the same role for 10+ years, it’s hard to keep things fresh. I don’t think the Dyche we’re replacing now is necessarily the version/standard it would have been if you were doing it a few years ago.

So, if you’re asking if we are likely get better than Dyche at his peak, the answer is firmly no. That’s not what we’re replacing now though in my view.


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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Vince Fontaine » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:19 pm

MACCA wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:55 pm
Literally anyone

We have played bottom of the league twice ( who average 2 goals against per game) and have not had a shot never mind scored
We have been abysmal from front to back ALL game.

What an absolute dinosaur.

Dress it up all you want, when Burnley have a big game and need to deliver, he fails.

Doesn't cost anything or need skill to be able to pass the ball 20 yards.

Owen Coyle then?
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Dodobdobodobo » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:13 pm

Ex Claret David Unsworth perhaps. Handed his notice in this last week at Everton. Been doing a great job with their second string apparently. 28/1

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Post by jdrobbo » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:16 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:27 am
This guy is not even in the betting but heavily linked


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Might help to persuade Orsic!!

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:21 pm

Dodobdobodobo wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:13 pm
Ex Claret David Unsworth perhaps. Handed his notice in this last week at Everton. Been doing a great job with their second string apparently. 28/1
On 12 April 2022, Unsworth left Everton in order to pursue his ambition of becoming a first-team manager, he handed in his notice 3 days before Dyche was sacked

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Post by jedi_master » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:21 pm

Gaia wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:55 am
Wilder on Burnley
When asked after Boro's goalless draw at Bournemouth, Wilder said: “I’ve not looked at it. Sean is a pal of mine. I think he’ll understand it in terms of how the industry is and there has obviously been a decision made. I’m not going to come out with anything in terms of this, that or the other. My head is down and I’m thinking, ‘onto Monday’.

"What I will say is that I think, without giving an opinion on the decision, he has done an incredible job there and I think it goes completely under the radar the job he does in terms of what goes on and the challenges he’s had at that football club. I think when people look back it, he’s been an incredible manager in the Premier League for a number of years.
Interesting that he doesn’t say ‘not interested’.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:25 pm

Dodobdobodobo wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:13 pm
Ex Claret David Unsworth perhaps. Handed his notice in this last week at Everton. Been doing a great job with their second string apparently. 28/1
He's now 8/1 with Sky

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:28 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:21 pm
Interesting that he doesn’t say ‘not interested’.
Yes. *raises eyebrow*

I'd welcome Wilder or Bilic (I think he was a bit unfairly treated at West Ham. Both know the Championship and Premier league and both have played some decent stuff at their clubs but stayed grounded (if you see what I mean)

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:30 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:16 am
One achieved 7 seasons in the premier league, 2 promotions from the championship including a league win, a European qualification and transformed the club from top to bottom, pretty much constantly delivering results way in advance of resources available.

The other had the club bobbing about in the bottom half of the division below, winning nothing and pretty much constantly delivering results below the resources available. His biggest achievement was installing a new bridge at Gawthorpe.

Some fans will tell you that their football is the same. Those fans are only assessing the aesthetics of certain parts of the game, and missing huge differences in what they actually set teams up to achieve.
This

Cotterill bored the pants of me in a way that Dycheball never has. That takes some doing.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by DCWat » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:38 pm

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:21 pm
On 12 April 2022, Unsworth left Everton in order to pursue his ambition of becoming a first-team manager, he handed in his notice 3 days before Dyche was sacked
It’s not always the case, but usually you wouldn’t leave a job to pursue a another job, you’d search whilst in post and then leave on the back of being offered a position.

It suggests to me that there might be more to his departure - either he has something lined up (hopefully not us) or he’s been pushed.

The last thing I think we need is to be the test case for someone who fancies a crack at being a manager.

Has he actually done that good a job at Everton - I’m sure someone mentioned that there were some dissenting voices about the lack of progress with their u23’s.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:40 pm

Think it’s a coincidence he left Everton last week. We obviously don’t have anyone lined up and the sacking came out of the blue for whatever has happened behind the scenes this week.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by morpheus2 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:51 pm

A 'Name the Next Manager' competition?
Hmmm.....

I bet Pace wins this.
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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:23 pm

Hopefully not the Man Utd assistant manager who’s entered the betting markets

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by willsclarets » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:57 pm

Getting rid of Dyche for someone like David unsworth makes absolutely zero sense.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Adeola Friday » Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:58 pm

Until the end of the season? Neil Warnock


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