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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:20 am

Steddyman wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:18 am
It is also in The Athletic. But there are quite a few on here who refuse to accept Alan Nixon is right most of the time.
Except that he isn't

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Blakesboots » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:22 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:52 pm
As an interim possibly.
But I can see what he'd add above the current interim team.
And he doesn't have any stand out club credentials to considered long term
I don’t think Page will leave Wales.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretandy » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:25 am

Steddyman wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:18 am
It is also in The Athletic. But there are quite a few on here who refuse to accept Alan Nixon is right most of the time.
Link ?

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Blakesboots » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:26 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:42 pm
Pace said no one really wants the job on a part time basis. Seems like its MJ and co for now and make sure they get the right man in the summer. A lot will depend on the league we are in too.
There are lots of managers who want to take the job as interim, but then want a contract based on keeping us in the premier league.

The club do not want to be stuck with that deal. There will be a number of managers/coaches available on the summer. Which ever division we’re in will support the choices we make.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by eastcoastclaret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:37 am

Blakesboots wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:26 am
There are lots of managers who want to take the job as interim, but then want a contract based on keeping us in the premier league.

The club do not want to be stuck with that deal. There will be a number of managers/coaches available on the summer. Which ever division we’re in will support the choices we make.
Are you saying the club are wanting to appoint a new manager in the summer and it wouldn't necessarily be given to the interim manager, even if they kept us up?

Does that suggest we have somebody in mind to take over in the summer who isn't currently available.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Robbo1882 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:55 am

what about Lee Bowyer isn't happy at Birmingham and I think could do a decent job regardless of which league we're in.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:59 am

Robbo1882 wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:55 am
what about Lee Bowyer isn't happy at Birmingham and I think could do a decent job regardless of which league we're in.
No, really bad shout
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Murger » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:05 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:59 am
No, really bad shout
Agreed. We've been in the Prem for 6 years. We can do better. A lot better.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Nonayforever » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:06 am

There's a young lad called Ian Cathro who is highly thought of, he's been an assistant to Nuno & Benitiz so knows his stuff. Could be an interesting interim manager.
He will probably resurface at some time with Nuno.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:07 am

Making a panic appointment now would be the worst move possible. Just leave it till the summer and let's see where we are.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:09 am

No point making one now

And really no point making one till we know what division we are in

The "dead cat bounce" has given us a chance, and we will just see if the players and the scratch management team can keep it going

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by fatboy47 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:10 am

Mowbray could be a fair shout.

Good football on a limited budget. Has won promotion to the Prem, so knows what's needed. Probably be happy to get away from Deadwood where he's clearly not loved.

Knows the championship inside out.

Dyche already being touted for the Ewood gig.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by clarethomer » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:14 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:20 am
Except that he isn't
When he says we are interested in someone - how does anyone know whether he is right, or wrong?

Being interested in someone doesn't say it would materialise into anything. I bet we are interested in a number of managers at the moment. We can't have them all and I'm sure that the interest is more about interviewing at this stage than saying that have decided that they are the one.

Also - that person needs to be interested back and there has to be a number of other variables that need to happen for it to progress beyond the 'interested' stage.

Saying he is wrong most of the time is as bad as saying he is right most of the time.

He rarely says anything concrete from what I read. He gives us all something to debate though I guess .
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:16 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:10 am
Mowbray could be a fair shout.

Good football on a limited budget. Has won promotion to the Prem, so knows what's needed. Probably be happy to get away from Deadwood where he's clearly not loved.

Knows the championship inside out.

Dyche already being touted for the Ewood gig.
Good football? Ask Rovers fans about his football. They can’t wait for him to leave in the summer. Imagine swapping Dyche for Mowbray, wow that would be horrendous.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by tiger76 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:23 am

Blakesboots wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:22 am
I don’t think Page will leave Wales.
No I don't see him jumping ship yet, especially in a WC year.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by clarethomer » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:26 am

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:16 am
Good football? Ask Rovers fans about his football. They can’t wait for him to leave in the summer. Imagine swapping Dyche for Mowbray, wow that would be horrendous.
Also a good example to reflect on all those fans who are looking for managers with experience of getting out of the championship should we go down.

Just because a manager has done it previously - doesn't mean they have a secret formula to do it again.

Yes, there will be certain advantages and benefits - i.e. a manager knowing how to keep a performing team motivated to keep performing and dealing with the pressures etc. but there are no guarantees that a successful championship manager can take any team and get them promoted.

Mowbray was doing brilliantly for Rovers where many clarets were worried about us going down and them going up. He just hasn't become a bad manager but he clearly hasn't found that formula of keeping that momentum at the key point of the season with that team.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:27 am

clarethomer wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:14 am
When he says we are interested in someone - how does anyone know whether he is right, or wrong?

Being interested in someone doesn't say it would materialise into anything. I bet we are interested in a number of managers at the moment. We can't have them all and I'm sure that the interest is more about interviewing at this stage than saying that have decided that they are the one.

Also - that person needs to be interested back and there has to be a number of other variables that need to happen for it to progress beyond the 'interested' stage.

Saying he is wrong most of the time is as bad as saying he is right most of the time.

He rarely says anything concrete from what I read. He gives us all something to debate though I guess .
There are journalists who post on twitter when the information is 100% accurate, and there are journalists who post on twitter to get people to click on their articles (and I see he's now got a patreon account)

Nixon is the latter group, and though he is entertaining (his stuff on Partick Thistle memories is good and his frustration at the EFL over Derby was great, if massively biased), he's not the source that a lot on here think he is

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by tiger76 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:28 am

Nonayforever wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:06 am
There's a young lad called Ian Cathro who is highly thought of, he's been an assistant to Nuno & Benitiz so knows his stuff. Could be an interesting interim manager.
He will probably resurface at some time with Nuno.
Good grief no he bombed at Hearts when given the gig as the main man, possibly a decent number 2, but clearly out of his depth as a manager.

And yes he'll likely go where Nuno goes.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:44 am

A lot of the names above like Mowbray, Bowyer and Neil have a very Brian Laws feel about them!

As someone posted above we have been a Premier League Club for 6 years so we should be able to aim a bit higher.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretandy » Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:47 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:27 am
There are journalists who post on twitter when the information is 100% accurate, and there are journalists who post on twitter to get people to click on their articles (and I see he's now got a patreon account)

Nixon is the latter group, and though he is entertaining (his stuff on Partick Thistle memories is good and his frustration at the EFL over Derby was great, if massively biased), he's not the source that a lot on here think he is
Agreed, now he's on patreon, he's no more than a clickbait merchant.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Shaggy » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:04 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:47 am
Agreed, now he's on patreon, he's no more than a clickbait merchant.
A lot of people hang on Nixons word because he was always on the ball and accurate with us when Coyle was here. No surprise that he is big pals with Coyle where he was getting his info From.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretspice » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:07 pm

I've no idea if Nixon is right about Neil or not and don't particularly care right now but the idea he's another Brian Laws, or in the same bracket as Bowyer, is for the birds. He did a very good job at Preston in very challenging circumstances and has started well at Sunderland, and that's to say nothing of the fact he's already got promoted from the Championship. And he's only 41. He's got a credible CV at similar clubs and is up and coming. He may not capture the imagination but the object of the exercise is not to titilate, its to appoint someone competent who can build on what Dyche has achieved. For that reason whilst there may be other good candidates, I certainly wouldn't dismiss Neil.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretandy » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:12 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:07 pm
I've no idea if Nixon is right about Neil or not and don't particularly care right now but the idea he's another Brian Laws, or in the same bracket as Bowyer, is for the birds. He did a very good job at Preston in very challenging circumstances and has started well at Sunderland, and that's to say nothing of the fact he's already got promoted from the Championship. And he's only 41. He's got a credible CV at similar clubs and is up and coming. He may not capture the imagination but the object of the exercise is not to titilate, its to appoint someone competent who can build on what Dyche has achieved. For that reason whilst there may be other good candidates, I certainly wouldn't dismiss Neil.
A decent championship candidate.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:15 pm

Looking at the responses to names on here, you can’t help but feel there’s going to be an outpouring of disappointment when the new name is finally announced.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretspice » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:24 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:15 pm
Looking at the responses to names on here, you can’t help but feel there’s going to be an outpouring of disappointment when the new name is finally announced.
Yep

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Steddyman » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:30 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:25 am
Link ?
Apologies. I mixed up a notification from OneFootball with The Athletic app on my phone. It was a OneFootball link:

https://onefootball.com/en/news/burnley ... T06:50:53Z

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Nonayforever » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:36 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 11:28 am
Good grief no he bombed at Hearts when given the gig as the main man, possibly a decent number 2, but clearly out of his depth as a manager.

And yes he'll likely go where Nuno goes.
Yes he did bomb at Hearts, probably because he didn't have an expirenced number 2, and was possibly a bit to technical.
Couple his technical expertise with Ben Mees practical experience and relationship with the players, it could be a good combination.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretandy » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:45 pm

Steddyman wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:30 pm
Apologies. I mixed up a notification from OneFootball with The Athletic app on my phone. It was a OneFootball link:

https://onefootball.com/en/news/burnley ... T06:50:53Z
So an article just parroting Nixon's clickbait piece.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:52 pm

This thing about Nixon - if this site are now out of the loop on what is going on in the club, it it logical that reporters are too.

Jones at The Athletic seems connected still, Gaughan at the Mail the same. Nixon unlikely.

Dyche gone, his staff gone. Whoever Nixon's source was is unlikely to be here.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by claretandy » Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:57 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:52 pm
This thing about Nixon - if this site are now out of the loop on what is going on in the club, it it logical that reporters are too.

Jones at The Athletic seems connected still, Gaughan at the Mail the same. Nixon unlikely.

Dyche gone, his staff gone. Whoever Nixon's source was is unlikely to be here.
Neil is one of Nixon's boys, it makes sense to link him to the job, he might get an improved contract out of Sunderland from it.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:51 pm

From what people have posted on here and our new exciting style of play I would think knutsen fits the bill in terms of continuity in the summer if we stop up, wonder if he will be persuaded to come over.

Right pedigree and successful in European competition relatively, could also find some bargains from his league.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:13 pm

This could go either way. Gets the job full-time or binned. I can’t see them binning him so the link to us has probably forced their hand.
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Rafa Benitez would be perfect for us next season and no compo to pay.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by gandhisflipflop » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:19 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:13 pm
This could go either way. Gets the job full-time or binned. I can’t see them binning him so the link to us has probably forced their hand.
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Rafa Benitez would be perfect for us next season and no compo to pay.
???

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:23 pm

I don't think Rafa is what we need

You can file him under Wilder/BFS/Bruce for me
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by joey13 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:30 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:13 pm
This could go either way. Gets the job full-time or binned. I can’t see them binning him so the link to us has probably forced their hand.
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Rafa Benitez would be perfect for us next season and no compo to pay.
He won’t get the job full-time unless Giggs is proven guilty

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by beddie » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:52 pm

I did wonder subject to Giggs being found not guilty if he could be one of the next generations of up and coming Managers that might do a job for us.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:05 pm

We're doing just fine as it is.....leave it alone.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Woonderbah » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:26 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:51 pm
From what people have posted on here and our new exciting style of play I would think knutsen fits the bill in terms of continuity in the summer if we stop up, wonder if he will be persuaded to come over.

Right pedigree and successful in European competition relatively, could also find some bargains from his league.

Alan Pace will have seen enough in the last three games and enjoyed seeing how buoyant the players have been to know the type of manager or coach he wants and maybe just as important, that he doesn't want.
I think Knutsen ticks a lot of boxes and I'm hoping he just wants to wait and see what division we'll be competing in next season before committing.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KateR » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:36 pm

Whomever it is, I just hope AP is still searching for 2 candidates for either option, such that when we know our fate 100% he can make an announcement and bring in as soon as the season is finished. I would hate to see this dragging on through June let alone July.

He should be having his shortlist for both eventualities before mid May with some form of "agreement" including job description/power, goals for the next season and salary/bonus understood by both parties.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:50 pm

KateR wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:36 pm
Whomever it is, I just hope AP is still searching for 2 candidates for either option, such that when we know our fate 100% he can make an announcement and bring in as soon as the season is finished. I would hate to see this dragging on through June let alone July.

He should be having his shortlist for both eventualities before mid May with some form of "agreement" including job description/power, goals for the next season and salary/bonus understood by both parties.
Yeah agree. A big factor at play is all the OOC players. A new manager might want an input into who they offer a new contract too. Plus the fact the new man needs to work with Pace and the recruitment team to identify targets for his style of play / system.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by KateR » Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:58 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:50 pm
Yeah agree. A big factor at play is all the OOC players. A new manager might want an input into who they offer a new contract too. Plus the fact the new man needs to work with Pace and the recruitment team to identify targets for his style of play / system.
absolutely agree and all part and parcel of why AP can't afford to be relaxing now, those are two big factors that dovetail with my thoughts and rationale for my post. Hopefully we all know who, and he's in place starting working work before end of May.

Then of course we can have the usual 1,000 page thread regarding who we recruit for which position :lol:

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:43 pm

A friend of mine, who is a Liverpool fan, is convinced that Rafael Benitez will be coming to complete his job with sinking Everton.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:43 pm

A friend of mine, who is a Liverpool fan, is convinced that Rafael Benitez will be coming to complete his job with sinking Everton. :D :D

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Denno97 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:53 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:50 pm
Yeah agree. A big factor at play is all the OOC players. A new manager might want an input into who they offer a new contract too. Plus the fact the new man needs to work with Pace and the recruitment team to identify targets for his style of play / system.
If and by all accounts we are going down the DOF route. Wouldn’t it just make sense for whoever that is to deal with the OOC players and make that appointment before the new manager.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Nonayforever » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:05 pm

Denno97 wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:53 pm
If and by all accounts we are going down the DOF route. Wouldn’t it just make sense for whoever that is to deal with the OOC players and make that appointment before the new manager.
Now that Dyche has gone along with his stranglehold over the club, we may not need a DoF now.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:07 pm

claretspice wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:07 pm
I've no idea if Nixon is right about Neil or not and don't particularly care right now but the idea he's another Brian Laws, or in the same bracket as Bowyer, is for the birds. He did a very good job at Preston in very challenging circumstances and has started well at Sunderland, and that's to say nothing of the fact he's already got promoted from the Championship. And he's only 41. He's got a credible CV at similar clubs and is up and coming. He may not capture the imagination but the object of the exercise is not to titilate, its to appoint someone competent who can build on what Dyche has achieved. For that reason whilst there may be other good candidates, I certainly wouldn't dismiss Neil.
100% agree with this. I live in Preston and a lot of PNE fans thought it was a major error getting rid. As they're seeing now with a lesser manager, he produced great results on very limited resources. He's not a mind-blowing choice, but I think he'd be a decent and sensible one.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by RVclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:16 pm

Denno97 wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:53 pm
If and by all accounts we are going down the DOF route. Wouldn’t it just make sense for whoever that is to deal with the OOC players and make that appointment before the new manager.
Well it depends. Let’s say, hypothetically, they go for Knutsen from Bodo Glimt. His system is 4–3-3 using inside forwards and 1 main striker. Therefore, would we need to try and renew all 3 OOC strikers? Probably not. Then the likes of Lennon, will he suit a high and wide winger role? Maybe back in his younger days but I’m not sure now. I’d much rather we recruit for a managers system than not.

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:18 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:05 pm
Now that Dyche has gone along with his stranglehold over the club, we may not need a DoF now.
Right, so we needed one with Dyche, but we won't need one now?

You'll have to explain that one

If we go down the DoF route, then we need a coach, not a manager

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Re: Name the next manager

Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:33 pm

No comment from me.
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Re: Name the next manager

Post by dsr » Thu Apr 28, 2022 12:12 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:16 pm
Well it depends. Let’s say, hypothetically, they go for Knutsen from Bodo Glimt. His system is 4–3-3 using inside forwards and 1 main striker. Therefore, would we need to try and renew all 3 OOC strikers? Probably not. Then the likes of Lennon, will he suit a high and wide winger role? Maybe back in his younger days but I’m not sure now. I’d much rather we recruit for a managers system than not.
Wouldn't it make sense to get a manager who can adapt his system depending what players he has available? I know Dyche didn't do a lot of that except when he had Defour, but the best manager can get the best out of his players even if the aren't the ideal players he would have chosen.
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