Name the next manager

[AlargeClaret]

I’d like an experienced manager with champ experience or a proven youngish hungry type like Joey B or Gary Rowett who has worked wonders on fresh air . Kompany not ideal but I’ll. be backing him 100% if /when confirmed .

[RVclaret]

I’d like an experienced manager with champ experience or a proven youngish hungry type like Joey B or Gary Rowett who has worked wonders on fresh air . Kompany not ideal but I’ll. be backing him 100% if /when confirmed .

So you’d rather have Steve Bruce / Neil Warnock type? Gary Rowett was Stoke’s choice when they went down. He completely flopped. Youngish hungry… Kompany is 36 and won a lot more in his playing career than Joey Barton.

[AlargeClaret]

Not Brucie or Colin they’ve had their time , but I’d love the shockingly underrated Chris Hughton ( he’s not coming of course ) or Wilder. All managers have the odd stinker . Top players on the whole don’t always cut it . I like Kompany he’s a big personality , he’d be a popular choice . Ultimately it’s what budget we end up with which may well decide our fare.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If the Times report today is correct and the short list consists of Kompany, Rooney and Knutsen, in what order would you put them to offer the job?

1- Kompany, speaks 4 languages (English, French, Dutch, German), world class player who will have connections at places like City and other places to make it easier to get loan/buy players from.

Looks like he's quite progressive/flexible with his style of play.
Will help to attract foreign players and he will also be more understanding about the difficulties of moving to English football.

Has worked within financial restraints

2- Rooney, world class player, well respected in England, has connections at places like Utd, Everton and West Ham (Moyes) so again may be able to get some good talent on loan.

Another who's worked within financial restraints.
I don't know what Derby's style was like but he ground out lots of results and very nearly kept them up.

3- Knutson I don't know a great deal about him, he appears to be well respected, works well with youth players and bringing them through etc.
Will definitely speak at least 2 languages.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Without wishing to be a constant downer this is a big red flag for me. Heard bad things about him from someone I consider reliable.

Kompany isn't ideal but might be as good as we can get and certainly has the reputation to appear exciting and possibly attract players. Bellamy I would not want near Burnley.

That said I said the same about Barton and he turned good for us, so if he comes I'll back him and hope.

I don't like this aspect either. Apparently, he is a very good coach though. Done lots of good work with strikers before his spell out with mental health issues. Can't remember what podcast/website it was.

[ClaretAL]

Do we know where Stuart Pearce is going yet?

[clarethomer]

I’d like an experienced manager with champ experience or a proven youngish hungry type like Joey B or Gary Rowett who has worked wonders on fresh air . Kompany not ideal but I’ll. be backing him 100% if /when confirmed .

Between a rock and hard place.

What people want is a guarantee (or as much as they can get a guarantee) that we will come straight back up. It's a unicorn appointment everyone is looking for.

Some believed (or may still believe) that SD would have got us back up and talk about it with almost certainty. He's done it before so can do it again type approach. You can change SD to any other manager who has had a team promoted but it simply isn't that easy.

There are risks in any appointment and whilst we all have preferences and ideas of who will likely be the better candidate, the recipe to being promoted is not just down to the manager. You need the team, the work ethic, the belief and a bit of luck at times.

The manager is there to try and create that environment and I think if we can get behind the team like we have over the last few games, this will also contribute.

So whilst the name of our next manager may be important to some, to me I hope whoever comes in can work with the remit and reality of what BFC can do to support that manager and can come into that dressing room with respect already in place where players will want to play for them - whether that is done by what they have achieved in their playing or managerial career isn't that key to me.

It's all about creating that team spirit where the lads enjoy coming to work and performing day in and day out and keeping that hard work ethic of the town. That's what SD did well - he understood that.

[warksclaret]

There is not a manager out there that ticks every boss for Burnley, particularly now we have been relegated and the appeal of the PL diminished.

From being sick as all clarets for Sunday and most of Monday, this news now excites me and made me positive again.

In my eyes what did we need from a new manager-well by necessity a new team with a max of 9 OOC players. We need a team with more pace, more flair, more quality, a team where the forwards (excluding Cornet) can get well into doubles figures. We need a midfield that makes themselves available and can start building up attacks.On top of that we need tactics, a study of the weekly competition and how we set up, the flexibility in systems so we utilise our best 11, and the ability during game time to change things round. WE have had none of these sadly and somehow survived the PL for 6 years. We now have a good possibility of bringing this back to our famous club, and we may have done it in a matter of days , so well done AP

[Mala591]

I don't like this aspect either. Apparently, he is a very good coach though. Done lots of good work with strikers before his spell out with mental health issues. Can't remember what podcast/website it was.

And we definitely need a specialist attacking coach.

[KRBFC]

I’d like an experienced manager with champ experience or a proven youngish hungry type like Joey B or Gary Rowett who has worked wonders on fresh air . Kompany not ideal but I’ll. be backing him 100% if /when confirmed .

I'm sorry but how is Joey Barton more experienced than Kompany? experienced in relegation from League One maybe and what has Gary Rowett ever achieved apart from failure? he's another that goes from club to club and does nothing. Experienced in nothingness.

[Rileybobs]

There is not a manager out there that ticks every boss for Burnley, particularly now we have been relegated and the appeal of the PL diminished.

From being sick as all clarets for Sunday and most of Monday, this news now excites me and made me positive again.

In my eyes what did we need from a new manager-well by necessity a new team with a max of 9 OOC players. We need a team with more pace, more flair, more quality, a team where the forwards (excluding Cornet) can get well into doubles figures. We need a midfield that makes themselves available and can start building up attacks.On top of that we need tactics, a study of the weekly competition and how we set up, the flexibility in systems so we utilise our best 11, and the ability during game time to change things round. WE have had none of these sadly and somehow survived the PL for 6 years. We now have a good possibility of bringing this back to our famous club, and we may have done it in a matter of days , so well done AP

Totally undermining everything we've seen from the best Burnley side and manager in a lot of our lifetimes. Let's see if your criteria of what we need will yield as much success.

[KRBFC]

Barton is more experienced in breaking the law, ill give you that

[claretonthecoast1882]

There is not a manager out there that ticks every boss for Burnley, particularly now we have been relegated and the appeal of the PL diminished.

From being sick as all clarets for Sunday and most of Monday, this news now excites me and made me positive again.

In my eyes what did we need from a new manager-well by necessity a new team with a max of 9 OOC players. We need a team with more pace, more flair, more quality, a team where the forwards (excluding Cornet) can get well into doubles figures. We need a midfield that makes themselves available and can start building up attacks.On top of that we need tactics, a study of the weekly competition and how we set up, the flexibility in systems so we utilise our best 11, and the ability during game time to change things round. WE have had none of these sadly and somehow survived the PL for 6 years. We now have a good possibility of bringing this back to our famous club, and we may have done it in a matter of days , so well done AP

certainly explains why you whinge at everything reading that ********

[eastcoastclaret]

Totally undermining everything we've seen from the best Burnley side and manager in a lot of our lifetimes. Let's see if your criteria of what we need will yield as much success.

It might have been the best Burnley side in terms of quality of players, but the football they played in the last couple of years has been pretty awful. Dyche did a great job, we all know that, but at the end of the day, the football on the field was in the most parts boring and a huge turn off for many people.

I honestly don't believe that even had we given Dyche the money, things would have changed that much. We needed a rebrand and I think that is what we are now trying to do.

[burnley007]

Any updates on an official announcement from the club.

I'll always be worried until I see him wearing the scarf, don't want another Orsic fiasco!!

[ClaretTony]

There is not a manager out there that ticks every boss for Burnley, particularly now we have been relegated and the appeal of the PL diminished.

From being sick as all clarets for Sunday and most of Monday, this news now excites me and made me positive again.

In my eyes what did we need from a new manager-well by necessity a new team with a max of 9 OOC players. We need a team with more pace, more flair, more quality, a team where the forwards (excluding Cornet) can get well into doubles figures. We need a midfield that makes themselves available and can start building up attacks.On top of that we need tactics, a study of the weekly competition and how we set up, the flexibility in systems so we utilise our best 11, and the ability during game time to change things round. WE have had none of these sadly and somehow survived the PL for 6 years. We now have a good possibility of bringing this back to our famous club, and we may have done it in a matter of days , so well done AP

Unbelievable - find that shocking.

[ClaretTony]

Not Brucie or Colin they’ve had their time , but I’d love the shockingly underrated Chris Hughton ( he’s not coming of course ) or Wilder. All managers have the odd stinker . Top players on the whole don’t always cut it . I like Kompany he’s a big personality , he’d be a popular choice . Ultimately it’s what budget we end up with which may well decide our fare.

If you’d love Chris Hughton, you haven’t seen his teams play very often.

[Pickles]

I'm more excited about Kompany than any of the other names linked.

[Rileybobs]

It might have been the best Burnley side in terms of quality of players, but the football they played in the last couple of years has been pretty awful. Dyche did a great job, we all know that, but at the end of the day, the football on the field was in the most parts boring and a huge turn off for many people.

I honestly don't believe that even had we given Dyche the money, things would have changed that much. We needed a rebrand and I think that is what we are now trying to do.

There were spells when the football was boring, I don't disagree. There were also times when it wasn't. But do you not think that the lack of entertainment by the end was in the main due to the ever increasing financial disparity between ourselves and our competitors? The term 'victim of our own success' couldn't be any more apt. On financial terms, we should have been relegated every one of the last six seasons.

Is a promotion challenge more entertaining than a relegation battle? I think the answer is yes. But the team fighting the relegation battle doesn't have less quality, and the manager doesn't have 'no tactics' - quite the opposite. It's just that the competitors are at a much inferior level.

It seems like some people lack the ability to understand the context of where Burnley sit in the bigger picture. I've seen on another thread a wise sage has pointed out that the teams promoted from the Championship have scored a lot more goals than Burnley did this season, and that if we want to win promotion we will need to score a lot more goals. I mean, JWF!

[Tall Paul]

There is not a manager out there that ticks every boss for Burnley, particularly now we have been relegated and the appeal of the PL diminished.

From being sick as all clarets for Sunday and most of Monday, this news now excites me and made me positive again.

In my eyes what did we need from a new manager-well by necessity a new team with a max of 9 OOC players. We need a team with more pace, more flair, more quality, a team where the forwards (excluding Cornet) can get well into doubles figures. We need a midfield that makes themselves available and can start building up attacks.On top of that we need tactics, a study of the weekly competition and how we set up, the flexibility in systems so we utilise our best 11, and the ability during game time to change things round. WE have had none of these sadly and somehow survived the PL for 6 years. We now have a good possibility of bringing this back to our famous club, and we may have done it in a matter of days , so well done AP

[gandhisflipflop]

Has he signed yet?

[Lancasterclaret]

Totally undermining everything we've seen from the best Burnley side and manager in a lot of our lifetimes. Let's see if your criteria of what we need will yield as much success.

To be fair, I'm reading that as a critique of last season and the season before that (though I totally get why we had to play like that)

I didn't realise how bored and disillusioned I was till the Southampton and Wolves games, and I want to recapture that excitement level again

[ClaretTony]

I didn't realise how bored and disillusioned I was till the Southampton and Wolves games, and I want to recapture that excitement level again

Did you miss Everton?

[Lancasterclaret]

Did you miss Everton?

On holiday!

Did you miss Norwich (and too many others sadly)?

[ClaretTony]

On holiday!

Did you miss Norwich (and too many others sadly)?

Just that you picked out two games out of all. We were poor in the subsequent home games and I remain bamboozled with playing players out of position in a crucial game.

I think it was time for Dyche to go but we should have had someone to bring in at such a vital time.

[Lancasterclaret]

Just that you picked out two games out of all. We were poor in the subsequent home games and I remain bamboozled with playing players out of position in a crucial game.

I think it was time for Dyche to go but we should have had someone to bring in at such a vital time.

I picked out two games in which we won, and played well and I got excited

You won't find a bigger Dyche fan than me, but I was at the stage where turning up to the Turf was beginning to become a chore, and thats not what I pay my season ticket for

The new manager might be a disaster, the whole thing might go massively wrong and we might be in deep ****, but we've been relegated, and we need a boost for all us all to get our mojos back

[RVclaret]

Has he signed yet?

negative... at least, not announced yet.

[eastcoastclaret]

There were spells when the football was boring, I don't disagree. There were also times when it wasn't. But do you not think that the lack of entertainment by the end was in the main due to the ever increasing financial disparity between ourselves and our competitors? The term 'victim of our own success' couldn't be any more apt. On financial terms, we should have been relegated every one of the last six seasons.

Is a promotion challenge more entertaining than a relegation battle? I think the answer is yes. But the team fighting the relegation battle doesn't have less quality, and the manager doesn't have 'no tactics' - quite the opposite. It's just that the competitors are at a much inferior level.

It seems like some people lack the ability to understand the context of where Burnley sit in the bigger picture. I've seen on another thread a wise sage has pointed out that the teams promoted from the Championship have scored a lot more goals than Burnley did this season, and that if we want to win promotion we will need to score a lot more goals. I mean, JWF!

I totally get what you are saying and I think we hit a ceiling. The problem is when I watch a match, I want to be entertained. For me and I'm sure many others that was no longer the case.

It's a fine balance but we became far to reliant on the tried and tested and it became about staying in the league, rather than serving up something people wanted to go and pay to watch.

[JTClaret]

Did you miss Everton?

Everton was a horrible game haha
I think I went through every emotion and was exhausted by the end of it. We definitely didn't play well, but the result was awesome.

[Conroy92]

There is not a manager out there that ticks every boss for Burnley, particularly now we have been relegated and the appeal of the PL diminished.

From being sick as all clarets for Sunday and most of Monday, this news now excites me and made me positive again.

In my eyes what did we need from a new manager-well by necessity a new team with a max of 9 OOC players. We need a team with more pace, more flair, more quality, a team where the forwards (excluding Cornet) can get well into doubles figures. We need a midfield that makes themselves available and can start building up attacks.On top of that we need tactics, a study of the weekly competition and how we set up, the flexibility in systems so we utilise our best 11, and the ability during game time to change things round. WE have had none of these sadly and somehow survived the PL for 6 years. We now have a good possibility of bringing this back to our famous club, and we may have done it in a matter of days , so well done AP

I don't think Warks is being too unfair with this assessment, I think it sums the last 18months up pretty well. As usual you have the resident posters (quite a lot that were telling fans to suck it up under Dyche as it was as good as we were hoping for) trying to beat him with a stick for it, without offering any reasonable debate.
Wondered how long it would take for the Dyche lovers to start coming out of hiding when we got relegated.
Warks hasnt said anything outrageous above, midfield shite, tick, squad rebuild needed, tick, tactics shocking for the last 18months tick. What has Warks said that's upset you all so much???
Tinted claret/Dyche specs off for some please.

[blake's wand]

I think MJ winning the first couple of games caused an issue. Bringing someone else in at that point could have upset what appeared to be a really good 'bounce'. Would be interested to know what the plans had been if we'd have lost the first few games he took over

[ClaretTony]

I picked out two games in which we won, and played well and I got excited

You won't find a bigger Dyche fan than me, but I was at the stage where turning up to the Turf was beginning to become a chore, and thats not what I pay my season ticket for

The new manager might be a disaster, the whole thing might go massively wrong and we might be in deep ****, but we've been relegated, and we need a boost for all us all to get our mojos back

With you on most of that - I think the whole place got a lift with those Southampton & Wolves games because we won. In would probably say our best two home performances might have come in Jan against Man U (second half definitely) and Liverpool, even though we lost.

But I think it was time for Dyche to go in the end. I think the steady decline has come with him not getting the players he wanted, possibly over almost four years, but that's how the game is now.

[Rileybobs]

I totally get what you are saying and I think we hit a ceiling. The problem is when I watch a match, I want to be entertained. For me and I'm sure many others that was no longer the case.

It's a fine balance but we became far to reliant on the tried and tested and it became about staying in the league, rather than serving up something people wanted to go and pay to watch.

I don't disagree with that. But they weren't the points warks was making and I was disagreeing with.

[KRBFC]

I thought Dyche got himself sacked with stubbornness and a lack of tactical nous. At home to Leeds 1-0 up with 5 minutes to go, we were under the cosh, where's the change to protect? swapping strikers for subs just isn't tactics, just like throwing more strikers on the field when we are losing and hoofing it higher isn't tactical.

Even MJ wasn't scared to sub on a central defender and change shape to hang on for 5 minutes at the end.

[Conroy92]

I thought Dyche got himself sacked with stubbornness and a lack of tactical nous. At home to Leeds 1-0 up with 5 minutes to go, we were under the cosh, where's the change to protect? swapping strikers for subs just isn't tactics, just like throwing more strikers on the field when we are losing and hoofing it higher isn't tactical.

Even MJ wasn't scared to sub on a central defender and change shape to hang on for 5 minutes at the end.

Sshhhh KRBFC, don't talk sense on here. Dyches tactics for the past 18months have clearly been spot on, I can see other posters mocking Warks for it, so it must be true.

[warksclaret]

I don't think Warks is being too unfair with this assessment, I think it sums the last 18months up pretty well. As usual you have the resident posters (quite a lot that were telling fans to suck it up under Dyche as it was as good as we were hoping for) trying to beat him with a stick for it, without offering any reasonable debate.
Wondered how long it would take for the Dyche lovers to start coming out of hiding when we got relegated.
Warks hasnt said anything outrageous above, midfield shite, tick, squad rebuild needed, tick, tactics shocking for the last 18months tick. What has Warks said that's upset you all so much???
Tinted claret/Dyche specs off for some please.

Thanks for your support Conroy. Rest assured it was not meant to be Dyche bashing but in reading it back, and reading some comments, I can see why it was perceived as that. I was trying to emphasise how the role of the modern coach had changed and how excited I was that that could be coming to our club. I have seen the impact Jessee Marcsh has had on Leeds-changed the training, the tactics and the way they set up, and excluding the defeats by Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal, performed well for him, which led to their survival. The same can be said for the changes Gerrard has introduced which I heard Matty Cash talk about -we have yet to see the full benefits but am sure they will surface next year. I am not going to say any more in fear I will offend people's loyalties

[RVclaret]

I thought Dyche got himself sacked with stubbornness and a lack of tactical nous. At home to Leeds 1-0 up with 5 minutes to go, we were under the cosh, where's the change to protect? swapping strikers for subs just isn't tactics, just like throwing more strikers on the field when we are losing and hoofing it higher isn't tactical.

Even MJ wasn't scared to sub on a central defender and change shape to hang on for 5 minutes at the end.

Another example was at home to Brighton. He brought Barnes on for another striker as a reaction to them adding to their midfield with Lallana / MacAllister. Rather than look to retain the ball better ourselves. We lost 2-1 with both their subs involved.

[Rileybobs]

I don't think Warks is being too unfair with this assessment, I think it sums the last 18months up pretty well. As usual you have the resident posters (quite a lot that were telling fans to suck it up under Dyche as it was as good as we were hoping for) trying to beat him with a stick for it, without offering any reasonable debate.
Wondered how long it would take for the Dyche lovers to start coming out of hiding when we got relegated.
Warks hasnt said anything outrageous above, midfield shite, tick, squad rebuild needed, tick, tactics shocking for the last 18months tick. What has Warks said that's upset you all so much???
Tinted claret/Dyche specs off for some please.

I wasn't one of the ones telling fans to suck anything up under Dyche, and I'm also not a 'Dyche lover'. I think it was the right decision to part ways with Dyche by the end, as I suspect the consensus was that we were going to part ways at the end of the season regardless, and doing so when we did gave us the best chance of securing survival - which we very nearly did. So let's not reduce this to a us vs them as that's not exactly offering 'reasonable debate' is it.

Again, nothing has upset me and I'm not wearing 'Dyche specs' (who's the one accusing others of not offering reasonable debate again?).

What warks has said that I don't agree with is;
- we need a team with more quality (let's face it, our team next season will have less quality)
- we need tactics (this doesn't really make sense, but suggests that the team under Dyche didn't have tactics, which is absurd)
- we need a study of the weekly competition (again, claiming that we didn't do this under Dyche is just ridiculous)
- inferring that we somehow survived in the PL for 6 years despite our manager and playing staff, rather than because of them. Basically, this totally disrespects everything this squad and management team have achieved
- the claim that we may well have ticked all of these boxes within a matter of days by (not yet) appointing a manager who has achieved far less than Dyche has. What a ridiculous leap of faith.

Again, to reiterate, I'm glad we're having a change of direction, and the idea of appointing Kompany is exciting - more due to his profile and the unknown element as much as anything. But that is no reason to totally disregard everything that Dyche and our current group of players have achieved.

I think we'll look back on that 10 year period of our history very fondly in years to come, and I think only the deluded can expect the next 10 years to be better.

[Rileybobs]

Thanks for your support Conroy. Rest assured it was not meant to be Dyche bashing but in reading it back, and reading some comments, I can see why it was perceived as that. I was trying to emphasise how the role of the modern coach had changed and how excited I was that that could be coming to our club. I have seen the impact Jessee Marcsh has had on Leeds-changed the training, the tactics and the way they set up, and excluding the defeats by Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal, performed well for him, which led to their survival. The same can be said for the changes Gerrard has introduced which I heard Matty Cash talk about -we have yet to see the full benefits but am sure they will surface next year. I am not going to say any more in fear I will offend people's loyalties

FYI - people disagreeing with you haven't necessarily had their loyalties offended. This is a place for discussion, and we aren't all going to agree.

[Penwortham_Claret]

I wasn't one of the ones telling fans to suck anything up under Dyche, and I'm also not a 'Dyche lover'. I think it was the right decision to part ways with Dyche by the end, as I suspect the consensus was that we were going to part ways at the end of the season regardless, and doing so when we did gave us the best chance of securing survival - which we very nearly did. So let's not reduce this to a us vs them as that's not exactly offering 'reasonable debate' is it.

Again, nothing has upset me and I'm not wearing 'Dyche specs' (who's the one accusing others of not offering reasonable debate again?).

What warks has said that I don't agree with is;
- we need a team with more quality (let's face it, our team next season will have less quality)
- we need tactics (this doesn't really make sense, but suggests that the team under Dyche didn't have tactics, which is absurd)
- we need a study of the weekly competition (again, claiming that we didn't do this under Dyche is just ridiculous)
- inferring that we somehow survived in the PL for 6 years despite our manager and playing staff, rather than because of them. Basically, this totally disrespects everything this squad and management team have achieved
- the claim that we may well have ticked all of these boxes within a matter of days by (not yet) appointing a manager who has achieved far less than Dyche has. What a ridiculous leap of faith.

Again, to reiterate, I'm glad we're having a change of direction, and the idea of appointing Kompany is exciting - more due to his profile and the unknown element as much as anything. But that is no reason to totally disregard everything that Dyche and our current group of players have achieved.

I think we'll look back on that 10 year period of our history very fondly in years to come, and I think only the deluded can expect the next 10 years to be better.

I disagree with you around tactics and adapting to the team we were playing against.

We would set up in the exact same at ever game regardless of the opposition. There is no way that anybody could suggest that the tactics required against Liverpool is the same as what is needed against Brighton for example.

Did we have the resources to alter it is a separate discussion point but to suggest that Dyche struggled with tactics and preparing a team to counteract the opposition is reasonable… in my opinion

[Conroy92]

I wasn't one of the ones telling fans to suck anything up under Dyche, and I'm also not a 'Dyche lover'. I think it was the right decision to part ways with Dyche by the end, as I suspect the consensus was that we were going to part ways at the end of the season regardless, and doing so when we did gave us the best chance of securing survival - which we very nearly did. So let's not reduce this to a us vs them as that's not exactly offering 'reasonable debate' is it.

Again, nothing has upset me and I'm not wearing 'Dyche specs' (who's the one accusing others of not offering reasonable debate again?).

What warks has said that I don't agree with is;
- we need a team with more quality (let's face it, our team next season will have less quality)
- we need tactics (this doesn't really make sense, but suggests that the team under Dyche didn't have tactics, which is absurd)
- we need a study of the weekly competition (again, claiming that we didn't do this under Dyche is just ridiculous)
- inferring that we somehow survived in the PL for 6 years despite our manager and playing staff, rather than because of them. Basically, this totally disrespects everything this squad and management team have achieved
- the claim that we may well have ticked all of these boxes within a matter of days by (not yet) appointing a manager who has achieved far less than Dyche has. What a ridiculous leap of faith.

Again, to reiterate, I'm glad we're having a change of direction, and the idea of appointing Kompany is exciting - more due to his profile and the unknown element as much as anything. But that is no reason to totally disregard everything that Dyche and our current group of players have achieved.

I think we'll look back on that 10 year period of our history very fondly in years to come, and I think only the deluded can expect the next 10 years to be better.

Not necessarily you I'm pursuing Riley as to be fair you have offered up some debate, not that I agree with it all mind
The tactics thing is something we won't ever agree on. I've watched games this season where changes have been required, think Westwood, cork. I would use the word "stale" tactics rather than none , however we've been far too scared to change or evolve anything.

I agree with your last comment, the next ten years is very unlikely to be better than the last ten. However the next 24 months could be a lot better than the prior 24months.

[Rileybobs]

We would set up in the exact same at ever game regardless of the opposition.

I don't have a clue how anyone can have watched us over the past 10 years and reached that conclusion.

[Vegas Claret]

- we need a team with more quality (let's face it, our team next season will have less quality)

I'm rather hopeful that wont be the case tbh. I don't think it will be hard to improve anything other than our back 5. All depends who gets the managers job though of course. Tarks and probably Pope are going to be our biggest miss obviously

[Lancasterclaret]

One thing we can all agree on is if we can match the achievements of the past nine years we'll all be amazed

[Rileybobs]

Not necessarily you I'm pursuing Riley as to be fair you have offered up some debate, not that I agree with it all mind
The tactics thing is something we won't ever agree on. I've watched games this season where changes have been required, think Westwood, cork. I would use the word "stale" tactics rather than none , however we've been far too scared to change or evolve anything.

I agree with your last comment, the next ten years is very unlikely to be better than the last ten. However the next 24 months could be a lot better than the prior 24months.

I know you weren't necessarily picking on my point C92, but I'd rather not be put in one category or another as that's just reductive.

I'm not disagreeing that Dyche's set up was getting a bit stale, and his reluctance to change things could be very frustrating. But it's easier to remember the times when Dyche got things wrong, maybe didn't make changes when he should have done. What about all of the times where his mantra of keep doing what he believes in worked. How many games did we remain in contention and nick a late equaliser/winner. This happened as recently as Everton at home. I believe Dyche's biggest strength was simultaneously his biggest weakness.

Similarly, we all lauded Jackson's fresh approach - using a new system and making more pro-active substitutions. But in many ways this approach was our downfall in the final game against Newcastle, where arguably a result would have been more likely with Dyche's system.

[Rileybobs]

I'm rather hopeful that wont be the case tbh. I don't think it will be hard to improve anything other than our back 5. All depends who gets the managers job though of course. Tarks and probably Pope are going to be our biggest miss obviously

Be as hopeful as you like, but it's unrealistic to expect that we'll have a better squad next season than the one just gone.

[dandeclaret]

I don't have a clue how anyone can have watched us over the past 10 years and reached that conclusion.

Superfically they see a 4-4-2, but nuances don't register.

[Vegas Claret]

Be as hopeful as you like, but it's unrealistic to expect that we'll have a better squad next season than the one just gone.

why is it unrealistic ? As an example and with zero thought time Jed Wallace on a free would be better than JBG

[Conroy92]

I know you weren't necessarily picking on my point C92, but I'd rather not be put in one category or another as that's just reductive.

I'm not disagreeing that Dyche's set up was getting a bit stale, and his reluctance to change things could be very frustrating. But it's easier to remember the times when Dyche got things wrong, maybe didn't make changes when he should have done. What about all of the times where his mantra of keep doing what he believes in worked. How many games did we remain in contention and nick a late equaliser/winner. This happened as recently as Everton at home. I believe Dyche's biggest strength was simultaneously his biggest weakness.

Similarly, we all lauded Jackson's fresh approach - using a new system and making more pro-active substitutions. But in many ways this approach was our downfall in the final game against Newcastle, where arguably a result would have been more likely with Dyche's system.

I can't believe I've just read someone say we might have stayed up with Dyches tactics in the last game when Jackson had to jump through hoops to get us to the last day fighting because Sean couldn't get us to that position. Think I need to take a break from here!!

[ClaretTony]

I can't believe I've just read someone say we might have stayed up with Dyches tactics in the last game when Jackson had to jump through hoops to get us to the last day fighting because Sean couldn't get us to that position. Think I need to take a break from here!!

However we got to the last day, we very definitely got it badly wrong on that last day with how we lined up.