Love the over reaction. The only manager we could have gone for apart from Kompany was Bruce haha.
People really are not allowed opinions that go against the norm on here.
Love the over reaction. The only manager we could have gone for apart from Kompany was Bruce haha.
I think that VK has more managerial experience than SD did when he joined Burnley & what had SD won as a manager. Absolutely nothing.pushpinpussy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:41 pmof course people are only excited because its VK. he's won nothing as a manager. has very little experience as a manager and no experience in England at all. are you all blind here.
This isn't any knock on Kompany but I am definitely a dissident who believes Guardiola is hugely overrated as Guardiola has always had the most resources in the league everywhere he managed:Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:41 pmlast time I checked Pep was regarded as one of the best managers in the World and probably the history of the game - not a bad person to lean on for advice for Kompany.
I can't remember the last time an English club like us had issues with work permits, I remember back in the day Luton Shelton was supposed to sign for us but had work permit issues? even though he'd previously played at Sheff United, maybe I just made the work permit part up. I think recently Man City had an issue with Douglas Luiz, they just loaned him out to Spain for a year then boom, permit granted.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 pmSorry if this has been mentioned - is a work permit a potential problem like it would be for a player or is it a gimme for a manager?
Rules changed after Brexit.KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:47 pmI can't remember the last time an English club like us had issues with work permits, I remember back in the day Luton Shelton was supposed to sign for us but had work permit issues? even though he'd previously played at Sheff United, maybe I just made the work permit part up. I think recently Man City had an issue with Douglas Luiz, they just loaned him out to Spain for a year then boom, permit granted.
Probably the greatest coach of all time, transformed the English game and has sides copying him. Look at the focus in the modern day game put on Goalkeepers kicking and playing with their feet, that was ALL Guardiola.spt_claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:45 pmThis isn't any knock on Kompany but I am definitely a dissident who believes Guardiola is hugely overrated
and I can't think of another club post Brexit with work permit issues.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:48 pmRules changed after Brexit.
I assume it's not a problem given Jesse Marsch at Leeds but I can't profess any knowledge of the situation.
It's never a given, it wasn't for Utd when they wanted Rangnick as he hadn't actually managed for a few years.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 pmSorry if this has been mentioned - is a work permit a potential problem like it would be for a player or is it a gimme for a manager?
There are new rules for overseas managers too. They must have worked for three out of the previous five years in what is described as a “top league”, that covers 33 of the world’s main leagues.
pushpinpussy wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 4:02 pmi hope the delay means this is not happening. Of all the things that have happened at our club since the yank took over this is the most un Burnley like one.
Makes sense that this would be delayed then, but nothing to worry about.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:03 pmIt's never a given, it wasn't for Utd when they wanted Rangnick as he hadn't actually managed for a few years.
They managed to get it over the line just about.
Changes to rules because of Brexit wouldn't have affected an American would they?daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:48 pmRules changed after Brexit.
I assume it's not a problem given Jesse Marsch at Leeds but I can't profess any knowledge of the situation.
I think we used to be on EU rules, but changed them after Brexit. Could be wrong though.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:09 pmChanges to rules because of Brexit wouldn't have affected an American would they?
There was some discussion on this, or another thread regarding Knutsen. I think someone posted the current rules at the time. (Sorry, can't remember what they were).
I was thinking about the freedom of movement which no longer applies.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:11 pmI think we used to be on EU rules, but changed them after Brexit. Could be wrong though.
Any appointment if not British will be subject to a work permit. I think the Rangnick appointment at Man U was held up for that reason.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:42 pmSorry if this has been mentioned - is a work permit a potential problem like it would be for a player or is it a gimme for a manager?
Are his wife and kids not British as well? Surely that counts in his favour?gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:25 pmI would have thought that Kompany would have dual nationality by now for working in the UK for over 5 years at City
His wife is British isn't she, probably makes it easier.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:25 pmI would have thought that Kompany would have dual nationality by now for working in the UK for over 5 years at City
Presumably not an issue given the fact his wife is BritishClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:22 pmAny appointment if not British will be subject to a work permit. I think the Rangnick appointment at Man U was held up for that reason.
http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=61466TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:09 pmChanges to rules because of Brexit wouldn't have affected an American would they?
There was some discussion on this, or another thread regarding Knutsen. I think someone posted the current rules at the time. (Sorry, can't remember what they were).
Vastly Experienced in the dog fights of non prem football management with very thin resources . Like I said when /if VC gets the nod I’m all for what he can bring , though the naive nonsense that he’ll be bringing “ city stars “ is highly optimistic in the extreme . That said his inexperience is offset by his standing as a world class ex player multi lingual and knows English football well .
There will be lots to consider before signing. I would think in principal he's on board, otherwise the story would probably have been shot down, but there's wages, how many staff he can bring with him. Their wages. What finance can he get for transfers. What are his targets as per the club. What are the bonuses for achieving targets. Who runs the youth system. Who's in charge of scouting, recruitment.
The odds, the fact various media outlets and ITK’s on here have said it’s ‘done’ and the biggest fact that he has already chosen to leave Anderlecht say to me that it’s happening.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:48 pmDoes this not remind anyone else of "Orsic"? And I increasingly get the feeling it might go the same way!
I doubt he'd have quit Anderlecht without already having assurances on a lot of that. Transfer budget, staff, recruitment... all potential deal breakers I'd have thought.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pmThere will be lots to consider before signing. I would think in principal he's on board, otherwise the story would probably have been shot down, but there's wages, how many staff he can bring with him. Their wages. What finance can he get for transfers. What are his targets as per the club. What are the bonuses for achieving targets. Who runs the youth system. Who's in charge of scouting, recruitment.
All nitty gritty, but it needs to be sorted.
I keep coming back but I wouldn't be surprised if its not announced until next week, and that's if they come to terms.
You might want to look at what Pep did with the kids at Barca before he got the job. He's no mug. I actually don't like the bloke tbh but if we get Kompany it's better he has someone like him to ask for advice than someone like Brian Laws !spt_claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:45 pmThis isn't any knock on Kompany but I am definitely a dissident who believes Guardiola is hugely overrated as Guardiola has always had the most resources in the league everywhere he managed:
-cash rich Barcelona with prime Messi, half the Spain dream team of 2008-12, and the likes of Eto'o, Zlatan etc dropping in during their prime. Won the CL twice unsurprisingly.
-Bayern Munich when they had half the German 2014 World Cup team plus Lewandowski. Couldn't win the CL.
-Man City. Enough said, yet to win CL.
He's one of the most successful managers of all time but Klopp, Tuchel, even Mourinho, and pretty much everyone else of this era has had great success on less resources. This isn't the "could he do it at Burnley" argument this is simply a point that Guardiola may be a beloved media darling when essentially he just resurrected WM formation in the modern era, but he's also always inherited already elite teams and been equipped with the most resources of anyone in the league by far- only time you can argue the "most resources" front was Barcelona as Real had tons, but the team he inherited speaks for itself.
Either way, Kompany is Kompany, not Guardiola. I certainly hope he is a surprise success like Viera at Palace.
I may be wrong on this but I'd guess that Neuer was playing the sweeper keeper role before Pep finished playing.KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 5:50 pmProbably the greatest coach of all time, transformed the English game and has sides copying him. Look at the focus in the modern day game put on Goalkeepers kicking and playing with their feet, that was ALL Guardiola.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I’m not too bothered about the fayre on show long as it produces results .ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 1:22 pmIf you’d love Chris Hughton, you haven’t seen his teams play very often.
No - nothing like whether it goes the same way or not.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:48 pmDoes this not remind anyone else of "Orsic"? And I increasingly get the feeling it might go the same way!
I would think that would have all virtually have been dealt with. What will be far more time consuming is the legal people going through the details on the contract with a fine tooth comb.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pmThere will be lots to consider before signing. I would think in principal he's on board, otherwise the story would probably have been shot down, but there's wages, how many staff he can bring with him. Their wages. What finance can he get for transfers. What are his targets as per the club. What are the bonuses for achieving targets. Who runs the youth system. Who's in charge of scouting, recruitment.
All nitty gritty, but it needs to be sorted.
I keep coming back but I wouldn't be surprised if its not announced until next week, and that's if they come to terms.
What like at ForestAlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 7:18 pmI’m not too bothered about the fayre on show long as it produces results .
I didn't?
Kompany is more experienced at a higher level of football.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pmVastly Experienced in the dog fights of non prem football management with very thin resources . Like I said when /if VC gets the nod I’m all for what he can bring , though the naive nonsense that he’ll be bringing “ city stars “ is highly optimistic in the extreme . That said his inexperience is offset by his standing as a world class ex player multi lingual and knows English football well .
He absolutely did, others followed. Neuer being a follower. Pep has never coached any of the other 19 clubs in the PL, the majority still like their keeper to play. Pep is the reason why, he's simply a genius innovator football nerd.
Yes, take your point. This is my issue with assessing the prospects of any lower/foreign league player - I struggle to see if they could produce the same at a higher level against better players.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 11:49 amHe looked good on that you tube video, but if instead of watching him, you looked at the defenders on that video, you would notice that they were all shocking. I don't think he has enough to play like that in the championship, never mind the Prem, IF we are lucky.
Not trying to diss the guy, just being realistic. A decent defender would have prevented half of those runs.
I've not even applied.....AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 6:44 pmVastly Experienced in the dog fights of non prem football management with very thin resources . Like I said when /if VC gets the nod I’m all for what he can bring , though the naive nonsense that he’ll be bringing “ city stars “ is highly optimistic in the extreme . That said his inexperience is offset by his standing as a world class ex player multi lingual and knows English football well .
Except he's crap when it comes to playing the best in Europe.
Not sure about that, they've battered Madrid/PSG in previous seasons, I thought they battered them over 2 legs this season too. I think Liverpool are the 2nd best side in the world, City's reserves almost beat them in the semi final at Wembley.
Pep's goalkeepers are not sweeper keepers.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 8:46 pmhttps://www.sportskeeda.com/football/wh ... s%20career.
Sweeper keepers have been around forever in football