Big news coming soon from the Turf (Sean Dyche sacked)

[Chester Perry]

So is this part of some information war that's starting up?

who knows but there will be lots of this in the media over the next two days at least

[BOYSIE31]

Think you will find quite a few players wanted him out from what I've heard
A lot been going on at the club

[Taffy on the wing]

Fat Sam 3-1 Fav.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Go on then, tell us the plan and the logic behind it. Because it’s beyond me, and many others by the looks of things.

I don't know it, I don't have access to it, no one does on here like I've said.
I just observe what they're doing at the club and I can see they're taking steps to improve various things.

Like any club owner they're trying to grow it financially, because we've lagged behind in various areas for years.

It's been done to death on here anyway, so there's no point in me going over it again and again.

[claretandy]

Just after 5.30 there was a snippet of an interview with Tony Livsey as well. Not sure what newspaper he was from.

It was Jack Gaughan, the same guy who has wrote the Daily Mail article.

[Cleveleys_claret]

Which of the OOC players do you think are worth fighting for, apart from Tarks (who is off anyways) and Ben?

I think the problem is that too many of the squad are unhappy that their mega bucks days are ending. Also, if SD was arguing for that lot to be given new contracts (presumably for a short term morale boost), I can see why AP might have resisted.

The same Ben that is stepping up to the role this weekend, and is well thought of at the club. Who is to say he hasnt had discussions, not saying he has, but none of us know, one way or the other. What we do know is that our form over the last 18 months is ranked 92nd out of 92 teams...and all whilst the manager was getting paid 75k plus.

Teams spend hours analysing other teams before matches, they would probs spend 10 mins analysing us "if we stop the long balls/raking long passes (for those in long ball denial) they have no plan B lads"

[dandeclaret]

I don't know it, I don't have access to it, no one does on here like I've said.
I just observe what they're doing at the club and I can see they're taking steps to improve various things.

Like any club owner they're trying to grow it financially, because we've lagged behind in various areas for years.

It's been done to death on here anyway, so there's no point in me going over it again and again.

What has been improved? And what’s the impact been? Have revenue streams gone up? Have fans deemed them good ideas? Has it brought new investment or interest in the club on a meaningful level? Or is it just a load of 101 how to run a football club fads? Womens team? LED boards? Esports? Ai Technology?

See when it was a new training ground, investing in scouting networks, creating a club profile that differentiated then…. I got it. There’s hundreds of failed 101 business men though.

[KlyBfc]

Lots of speculation around. Is it that unbelievable that some of the players may have lost faith? I don’t think so, many of the loyal fans have questioned things, I bet the players probably were too.

Ben Mee (Dyche’s captain) being involved on management point is interesting, as will the tactics and selection we employ Sunday.

Also as things settle down and we consider everything. From a bounce back (promotion) point of view is this bad timing over the summer? Or is it better to get a new man in to assess the current squad and begin to implement changes now with games left as opposed to waiting for the summer and starting on the back foot?

I’m not saying it’s what SD deserved by any means (as despite my emotions at times I do think he was best placed to bring us back) but taking the emotion out of it I’d rather have a new man now than in the summer with the rebuild that’s needed.

[HunterST_BFC]

How can they sack him --- there is a war on !

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

It was Jack Gaughan, the same guy who has wrote the Daily Mail article.

Cheers didn’t catch the first bit so wondered who it was.

[Spijed]

Interesting stuff in the Mail - Just remember this is Pace's got to national publication and Jack Gaughan is his favoured writer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -exit.html

JACK GAUGHAN: Sean Dyche's Burnley first ceased to truly exist after their underwhelming Europa League exit to Olympiakos in 2018... he'll be remembered as an all-time great but losing the 'us against the world' feeling resulted in his exit

• Burnley's poor 2018 Europa League showing turned players against Sean Dyche

• Their brief European adventure was a result of the club's best ever season

• Defeat led to disillusionment and Dyche's power was reduced under owners ALK

• Dyche was axed on Friday and the blame will be widespread if relegation follows

By JACK GAUGHAN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 17:13, 15 April 2022 | UPDATED: 17:39, 15 April 2022

The end might have finally come on Friday but Sean Dyche's Burnley first ceased to truly exist in late August 2018.

We are in our 4th season since we qualified for Europe and had another top ten finish as well!

Surely any bad feeling would have quickly come to light in the season after and we would have been relegated then, not four years later.

[Colburn_Claret]

Wout Weghorst joined Burnley to a big fanfare following the departure of Chris Wood but has just 1 PL goal to his name after 12 appearances and seems to spend most of the game trying to hold the ball up. We actually need him in the box getting on the end of crosses and scoring the much needed goals that have been so hard to come by this season.

This is why I can't get angry at Dyches exit. If we'd tried to play football and lost its forgivable, but the last few games performances, especially in the 6pointers, have been gut wrenching. We've all debated the weaknesses, the need to play the ball on the deck, bodies in the box. Yet we look like we aren't even trying to play football. Such a wasted opportunity, and SD has to be held responsible.

[Hipper]

Sounds like we've got a bunch of self entitled average footballers on our hands, maybe they should actually focus on playing well and working hard before making such demands. Especially if Rodriguez is one of the entitled ones, he's been absolutely bobbins for 2 years, he doesn't have the right to be entitled with 2 goals in 60 games.

I would think older players would become more questioning about things. That may be a disadvantage of older players.

In the case of Rodriguez (and I've no idea if what is being said is true) he's not often had a run in the side and more then half his appearances have been as sub - probably many of them hardly any minutes to do anything - rather like Vydra. I would guess they are/were both pretty frustrated as they both seemed to offer something.

[elwaclaret]

Phelan has not long since signed a new long term deal at United. Carrick no longer works there.

Didn’t know that CT. What I have seen today though is that the new United manager at OT got the job mainly because he completely tore into the way they had been doing things, so things may have changed

[KRBFC]

I must admit I look at West Ham, Rangers and even Wolves recently doing well in the Europa League and it irritates me still to this day how we just gave in against Olympiacos.

We should have put that shite Greek lot to the sword over 2 legs and we'd have likely reached the knockout rounds given how easy the group stage is. What was it? Bardsley Long and Gibson in the back 4 in Athens? we were absolutely dreadful that night too.

[Middle-agedClaret]

The more time this has had to sink in, the more I think that if SD and team have been sacked with no-one lined up to replace them, the even worse a decision it is.
Time will tell.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What has been improved? And what’s the impact been? Have revenue streams gone up? Have fans deemed them good ideas? Has it brought new investment or interest in the club on a meaningful level? Or is it just a load of 101 how to run a football club fads? Womens team? LED boards? Esports? Ai Technology?

See when it was a new training ground, investing in scouting networks, creating a club profile that differentiated then…. I got it. There’s hundreds of failed 101 business men though.

So as you've highlighted, all the big work has been done by the now much maligned previous owners.
They just hadn't done the other stuff, which is being done now by the new owners.

It doesn't matter if the fans deem the ideas as good or not, it's current/potential sponsors and/or investors that need to decide if they like the changes enough to be associated with the club.

We were lagging behind in areas that had bigger potential for more revenue generation.

Like I said, it's been done to death on here, if you're that curious then go and find then older threads

[Hipper]

How can they sack him --- there is a war on !

Well there could be worse to come for Dyche then:

https://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-r ... in-2946437

[KRBFC]

and we should have kept that little 5ft 3 shithead Podence at the Turf as a Burnley player after he ran us ragged in the 2nd leg.

[KRBFC]

and we should've signed that headband wearing pillock Saint Maximin after he scored against us for Nice on the Turf

[KRBFC]

nevermind, we almost got Hakim Ziyech and Kalvin Phillips

[dandeclaret]

So as you've highlighted, all the big work has been done by the now much maligned previous owners.
They just hadn't done the other stuff, which is being done now by the new owners.

It doesn't matter if the fans deem the ideas as good or not, it's current/potential sponsors and/or investors that need to decide if they like the changes enough to be associated with the club.

We were lagging behind in areas that had bigger potential for more revenue generation.

Like I said, it's been done to death on here, if you're that curious then go and find then older threads

Not much maligned by me, and there was plenty more to be done. The new managers have been much maligned, due to their lack of transparency on how the club can continue to operate, and doing loads of faddy cosmetic shite.

[Claretmisterg]

Whenever we’ve sacked a good manager it has got worse initially and only picked up when we have found another good manager. Back to the days of Potts.

[summitclaret]

I must admit I look at West Ham, Rangers and even Wolves recently doing well in the Europa League and it irritates me still to this day how we just gave in against Olympiacos.

We should have put that shite Greek lot to the sword over 2 legs and we'd have likely reached the knockout rounds given how easy the group stage is. What was it? Bardsley Long and Gibson in the back 4 in Athens? we were absolutely dreadful that night too.

We'd probably have gone down that season if we had gone through. The squad would never have coped with all those games. The biggest mistake by Garlick was not to invest in our midfield in that preseason. Our stock was the highest it had been fir 40 years. Instead we got 3 England keepers. Madness and risk averse to the extreme.

[DCWat]

We are in our 4th season since we qualified for Europe and had another top ten finish as well!

Surely any bad feeling would have quickly come to light in the season after and we would have been relegated then, not four years later.

Not only that but if the reasons cited in the article have come from within, it begs the question, why did Pace and co. offer Dyche a 4 year contract.

[KRBFC]

Esports sounds cool but it's not an area for Football club growth and if it is, it's not FIFA esports that draws viewing figures. it's the nerdy Asian PC games like League of Legends, Dota 2 and WoW where the real viewership/money is.

[KRBFC]

We'd probably have gone down that season if we had gone through. The squad would never have coped with all those games. The biggest mistake by Garlick was not to invest in our midfield in that preseason. Our stock was the highest it had been fir 40 years. Instead we got 3 England keepers. Madness and risk averse to the extreme.

and with our enormous cash piled up and parachute payments, we'd almost have certainly won the Championship league title without breaking sweat. I'd have taken a deep EL run and relegation, followed by a title winning season ALL DAY long.

[paulatky]

I posted a few weeks back about something i found out from more or less the horses mouth. I also heard that the dressing room wasn't as harmonious as it used to be. The player in question is one of the OOC and it was said he had no intention of re-signing and cited a member of staff for causing disruption (not Dyche) and that many of the players were unhappy with the methods. Now you can draw your own conclusions about it and who that is. It was passed onto me when it probably shouldn't to be fair.
I'm not going to divulge my source or name names..as if i would and I'll wait for the inevitable abuse and discrediting..as i got last time. What would it matter if i did? Doesn't make it any less real what I heard though.

Steve Stone who was investigated for bullying a few years ago

[summitclaret]

The EL is micky mouse. It's gone from a few games to a boring slog.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Steve Stone who was investigated for bullying a few years ago

His name crops up a lot.

[Royboyclaret]

First post from me on the subject......The key is to remember that, from late July, as outlined by CP , that our Club will return to the control of Mike G and John B. If that had been the current situation then Sean would have been potted some time ago, simply for underachieving.

No matter who we appoint right now, survival will be a bridge too far but will remain important from the perspective of our immediate return to the only league that matters before parachute payments quickly disappear.

[Spijed]

First post from me on the subject......The key is to remember that, from late July, as outlined by CP , that our Club will return to the control of Mike G and John B.

Is that certain?

[Rombald]

I’ve said enough. Decent source. That’s it. If you look at some of our performances this year, perhaps it explains it (add in the Chris Wood comments etc). Obviously everyone is blaming recruitment and lack of spending, but there has also been a genuine decline in player performance.

OK. May be decent source. But go on then..otherwise you are just making it up.

[agreenwood]

First post from me on the subject......The key is to remember that, from late July, as outlined by CP , that our Club will return to the control of Mike G and John B. If that had been the current situation then Sean would have been potted some time ago, simply for underachieving.

No matter who we appoint right now, survival will be a bridge too far but will remain important from the perspective of our immediate return to the only league that matters before parachute payments quickly disappear.

Hang on. Are you saying that MG & JB will or might take back control in July?

[Boss Hogg]

What is really strange is that the LAST home match was probably the most exciting result of the season and I was not alone in thinking Dyche was in the middle of pulling us out of the mire again… one game later… a bad defeat for sure… and Dyche has gone. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear SD claret and blue army at the next home game.

Anyone who shouts that is an idiot. We need to look forwards and encourage the team not harp on about the past or chant things that don’t put the team and club first.

[Rombald]

Thing is, Dyche may have got us promoted again, but if he had it would have been with his type of players, 30+ journeymen with no resale value, and we would have been back in the prem playing the football which has been dire for 2 years.

Yes this is a massive roll of the dice, but would prefer this than performances like those last week

Yes, because being back in the top division is a disaster. Be careful what you wish/have wished for

[Penwortham_Claret]

Steve Stone is getting a lot of unwarranted grief on here. The fall out was with Ian Woan not Steve Stone

[IWOODLOVETT]

Sacked ??
Does a sacking (rather than by mutual consent) save the club a big pay-off? I assume that “sacking” was a results-based condition of his 4 year contract and the consequential prospect of relegation.
In any event his immediate staff have gone too, with immediate effect - so the y probably saw it coming.

Tomorrow’s press conference will be interesting although whoever represents the club is likely to bat away any questions and will only answer questions about the West Ham game.

[BurnleyFC]

You couldn’t make this stuff up.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Re the Gaughan article, we can all speculate if, as many of us said at the time, the farce in Athens alienated some players who remain disenchanted to this day, or, if a “source” is telling us what we want to hear after knowing it is one of the long time grumbles about Dyche.

I can believe the bit though about Cornet not being Dyche’s cup of tea.

The proof will come though in the reaction. Will we play better, or worse? I’ve predicted results before this season and been wrong so I haven’t the foggiest but it wouldn’t surprise me if things were stale. The two players who seemed to be performing well were Tarky and Pope. Everyone else, not sure.

[ksrclaret]

First post from me on the subject......The key is to remember that, from late July, as outlined by CP , that our Club will return to the control of Mike G and John B. If that had been the current situation then Sean would have been potted some time ago, simply for underachieving.

No matter who we appoint right now, survival will be a bridge too far but will remain important from the perspective of our immediate return to the only league that matters before parachute payments quickly disappear.

How can we remember something that nobody has any clue about?

Are you categorically starting here that Garlick will resume full ownership in July? That’ll be news to most of us.

[Dark Cloud]

How can we remember something that nobody has any clue about?

Are you categorically starting here that Garlick will resume full ownership in July? That’ll be news to most of us.

It's not news to Chester Perry, because he's saying exactly that somewhere above.

[Burnleyareback2]

This is much worse for Dyche than it is for Burnley. I simply can’t see where his be the job is

Seriously?

Assuming he has taken his back room staff at the same time to make it even easier when he walks into his next job.

[ksrclaret]

It's not news to Chester Perry, because he's saying exactly that somewhere above.

I know, but see the use of the word “most”.

Unless most people do know that Garlick is getting control back in July.

[BurnleyFC]

If it really is the case that Garlick and John B will be back in charge come the summer then it has to be the strangest takeover in history.

Who exactly will have benefitted?

[Cubanforever]

If Ben Mee is playing a leading role in picking/preparing the team for Sunday I think we'll see a good performance.
He knows the players, would imagine he has their respect and has been on the pitch during all this so will have his thoughts on how and where we need to "improve"....not sure what the odds are on a win for Sunday but after West Hams European exertions I'll be having a few quid on us speculatively

[deanothedino]

Hahahahaha.

So signing one player in summer 2020 was the bigger contributor than signing one selling one in January 2022?

"He has overseen Dwight McNeil's form nosedive" he also brought him through.

Beggars belief and makes me doubt the entire contents.

Probably yeah, we were godawful to start the season. Maybe if we’d invested in the squad in 2020 we’d have not been awful. January is always a bad time to be making signings you desperately need

[Greekclaret]

Steve Stone is getting a lot of unwarranted grief on here. The fall out was with Ian Woan not Steve Stone

This wouldn’t surprise me. I remember when we let go some youth players, may have been Howieson and Hewitt amongst others. They were straight onto Twitter calling out Ian Woan for pretty much being the reason why a lot of players were not happy at the time. Sure the tweets got deleted pretty sharp ish but they were online for an hour or so

[paulatky]

It's not news to Chester Perry, because he's saying exactly that somewhere above.

CP is not saying that will happen,only saying that in a certain scenario it could happen.

[agreenwood]

CP is not saying that will happen,only saying that in a certain scenario it could happen.

Yes, but royboy saying it “will” happen.