Big news coming soon from the Turf (Sean Dyche sacked)

[spt_claret]

This silence is deafening.

Until that changes I’m in the camp somethings up.

I'll be honest, as pro-Dyche and anti-Pace as I am this is making me feel extremely uneasy all around.
The feeling, the similarity in terms of an exodus, and the extremely toxic and polarising reaction is reminiscent of how I felt when Coyle shafted us- though I'm still not in the camp believing the rumours.
Something is very very wrong at Burnley for this to happen, especially at the time and in the manner it has.

[Papabendi]

Was listening to Talksport coverage of Semi Final this afternoon

During a break Sam Matterface made some short comments on the sacking of Dyche

"Timing of the sacking a bit odd but supposedly no surprise to the players"

Matterface is right. No surprise to the players and some knew before Friday. It was time to go and as much as people want to wang on about ten years, its a results business not a history business.

[Dy1geo]

Dyche has given us some fantastic memories, but there have been frustrating times as well during his time here, with his attitude to the domestic cups and the way we went about our Europa League run playing in my eyes a weakened side in Athens all because playing in that competition is deemed to affect your “league form”.

I am old school in that you enter tournaments to win them otherwise what is the point of Football.

As for going down, I am resigned to it and whilst I will be gutted playing all those local derbies will be good and who knows we could be hearing the “e i e i e i o” next season.

[NewClaret]

With all the speculation over Garlick getting at least more involved with the club, it does seem to beg the question did he insist that SD be removed before that (whatever it may be) happened?

Would tie in with CP’s theory that changed 10 days ago.

[gawthorpe_view]

I'm waiting for Dave Thomas' book then I'll make my mind up.

Many a true word...

[elwaclaret]

Many a true word...

Should also have liked the comment itself, in my defence I noticed someone was waiting for a response as I read it.

[RicardoMontalban]

As has already been said. The silence is deafening and the longer it goes on, the more the rumours will persist. The fans deserve answers. It is incredibly strange that not one player has taken to social media, and nobody in the SD IW BM and SS camp has said anything either, even just a message to the fans.

My reading of this is he’s been sacked on the spot and at a guess it’s not just due to poor form. I’d be astonished if there was anyone making statements.

Under Dyche we’ve had a sustained spell of success (by our measure) and it’s a shock. He’s been manager for nearly 10 years. But to expect players - current employees of the club - to be coming out with statements is fanciful.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Would tie in with CP’s theory that changed 10 days ago.

If Garlick’s back involved then we should really worry!

[Vegas Claret]

If Garlick’s back involved then we should really worry!

Simon Jordan said yesterday that ALK had met all the payments so he didn't think there would be any change in ownership at all

[TheFamilyCat]

As has already been said. The silence is deafening and the longer it goes on, the more the rumours will persist. The fans deserve answers. It is incredibly strange that not one player has taken to social media, and nobody in the SD IW BM and SS camp has said anything either, even just a message to the fans.

The club released a statement. They said (paraphrasing) the results haven't been good enough and think the best chance of staying in the PL is with a change of manager.

I'm not sure why anyone is demanding any more than that. I can't believe you would expect the club to come out and deny every rumour doing the rounds.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Simon Jordan said yesterday that ALK had met all the payments so he didn't think there would be any change in ownership at all

Probably be a disappointment to some whose criteria on running Burnley is if you happen to be born in the town then you are ok.

[boatshed bill]

If Garlick’s back involved then we should really worry!

That'll be the same Mike Garlick under whose chairmanship the club developed Gawthorpe and got into Europe.

[taio]

Probably be a disappointment to some whose criteria on running Burnley is if you happen to be born in the town then you are ok.

I've never seen anyone say that on this messageboard

[Pearcey]

Nixon has a story on us tomorrow.

[MACCA]

That'll be the same Mike Garlick under whose chairmanship the club developed Gawthorpe and got into Europe.

Yes, that Charlatan

[ksrclaret]

Probably be a disappointment to some whose criteria on running Burnley is if you happen to be born in the town then you are ok.

It'll be a disappointment to those whose criteria on running Burnley is if you happen to have the best interests of the club at heart.

[Burnley1989]

Dyche has given us some fantastic memories, but there have been frustrating times as well during his time here, with his attitude to the domestic cups and the way we went about our Europa League run playing in my eyes a weakened side in Athens all because playing in that competition is deemed to affect your “league form”.

I am old school in that you enter tournaments to win them otherwise what is the point of Football.

As for going down, I am resigned to it and whilst I will be gutted playing all those local derbies will be good and who knows we could be hearing the “e i e i e i o” next season.

It ****** me off that some the Uber fans on here were telling us the premier league was more important…. Looking back knowing we threw the towel in on arguably the greatest times, I hope they now realise the were wrong

[gandhisflipflop]

Nixon has a story on us tomorrow.

I take it that it will be in the mail later on tonight then?

[Burnley1989]

Nixon has a story on us tomorrow.

There’s loads more to it, it just pisses to Burnley big dogs off if they haven’t the inside info

[Steddyman]

I take it that it will be in the mail later on tonight then?

Usually appears online at 11pm the night before.

[Spiral]

If Garlick’s back involved then we should really worry!

It has been suggested on here that he has no intention of resuming ownership. Now, it's true that there was underinvestment in the year/two years prior to him selling the club, and say what you will about the way he cashed in his chips, but I think a bit of perspective is due; he oversaw this: Burnley being naturally sustainable and profitable in the PL. That sentence kind of defies logic when you look around the football world. It took us what felt like a lifetime to recover from the ITV digital collapse, and we needed a bit of luck along the way, but we achieved the kind of stability 99% of other football clubs crave. This is without question primarily because of the on-field success Sean Dyche brought us, but it also is true that the boardroom capitalised on it and turned it into legacy.

Brief sojourns into the Championship every once in a while are probably a part of sustaining that stability, deflating the wage bill where needed and giving us a platform to refresh the squad under less intense pressure with the safety net of parachute payments and the attraction to players in our viable market of being promotion favourites. However, the difference between Garlick's model and ALK's model is that Garlick's model (or any similar model) doesn't saddle us with a level of debt which acts like a millstone around our neck every time we're relegated. When you're debt-free, fire-sales aren't necessary to the sustainability of the club. I'm as shocked and disappointed as anyone that Dyche has been sacked, and to me he's the best man to lead a promotion push, but it must be recognised that a feature of his time with Burnley has been a preference for using older players, and this conflicts with a sporting model that requires us to sell players at their peak value and replace them with younger ones. If the conflict with Garlick was instigated by differences in philosophy over offering contracts to OAP's, then Dyche is as responsible as anyone for the fact that the conveyor belt has stopped and a total squad overhaul is needed. Still love Dyche, and I have issues with Garlick, but come on. There's blame to be shared around for where the club finds itself.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The club released a statement. They said (paraphrasing) the results haven't been good enough and think the best chance of staying in the PL is with a change of manager.

I'm not sure why anyone is demanding any more than that. I can't believe you would expect the club to come out and deny every rumour doing the rounds.

You're forgetting that there are people on here who believe they should be told every detail of the owners business plans etc, so of course they're going to want the club to respond to every rumour about Dyche going.

[Burnley1989]

You're forgetting that there are people on here who believe they should be told every detail of the owners business plans etc, so of course they're going to want the club to respond to every rumour about Dyche going.

There’s folk on here that cry about the fact they don’t get the inside on 17 year olds injuries, what do you expect.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Nixon has a story on us tomorrow.

Probably the figure of the payout to Dyche .

[Spiral]

As for ALK, absolute charlatans, chancers, parasites. If we somehow survive, 1. it'll be the biggest miracle I've ever witnessed, and 2. it will not absolve ALK of the blame they share for the risk they have brought to this club and the way our stability has been thrown away on a gamble.

[gandhisflipflop]

As for ALK, absolute charlatans, chancers, parasites. If we somehow survive, 1. it'll be the biggest miracle I've ever witnessed, and 2. it will not absolve ALK of the blame they share for the risk they have brought to this club and the way our stability has been thrown away on a gamble.

Nowt like an overreaction

[Vegas Claret]

As for ALK, absolute charlatans, chancers, parasites. If we somehow survive, 1. it'll be the biggest miracle I've ever witnessed, and 2. it will not absolve ALK of the blame they share for the risk they have brought to this club and the way our stability has been thrown away on a gamble.

absolute charlatans, chancers, parasites..........classy

[lrac]

Ffs give the owners a break .let's just see what happens

[ClaretMov]

As for ALK, absolute charlatans, chancers, parasites. If we somehow survive, 1. it'll be the biggest miracle I've ever witnessed, and 2. it will not absolve ALK of the blame they share for the risk they have brought to this club and the way our stability has been thrown away on a gamble.

[Spiral]

Nowt like an overreaction

No backroom staff whatsoever, no apparent preparations made on the contingency of Dyche's sacking, staring down at relegation with a mountain of debt, massive squad overhaul needed if we're even to put out a side next season (regardless of the division), toxic atmosphere and good faith squandered by ticketing farces, complete lack of transparency, and now a knee-jerk sacking of the best manager in a lifetime, all brought about by a group of opportunists seeking to exploit the commercial opportunities available in English football, and some desire to use Burnley as some pie-in-the sky proof-of-concept for a scouting app. Nah, don't think I'm overreacting, actually.

[lrac]

By the way Barry Kilby said in his tenure. Burnley are punching above there weight in the championship. Do you remember that

[Murger]

As for ALK, absolute charlatans, chancers, parasites. If we somehow survive, 1. it'll be the biggest miracle I've ever witnessed, and 2. it will not absolve ALK of the blame they share for the risk they have brought to this club and the way our stability has been thrown away on a gamble.

So they take all of the blame and none of the credit if it works out?

[gandhisflipflop]

No backroom staff whatsoever, no apparent preparations made on the contingency of Dyche's sacking, staring down at relegation with a mountain of debt, massive squad overhaul needed if we're even to put out a side next season (regardless of the division), toxic atmosphere and good faith squandered by ticketing farces, complete lack of transparency, and now a knee-jerk sacking of the best manager in a lifetime, all brought about by a group of opportunists seeking to exploit the commercial opportunities available in English football, and some desire to use Burnley as some pie-in-the sky proof-of-concept for a scouting app. Nah, don't think I'm overreacting, actually.

I think you are.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So they take all of the blame and none of the credit if it works out?

To be fair that's how it worked with Garlick after he sold, people credited Dyche with all of it and Garlick with none

[Murger]

To be fair that's how it worked with Garlick after he sold, people credited Dyche with all of it and Garlick with none

It just seems that Dyche gets off Scot free in any part of the football club.

The style of football - the boards fault
The results/performances for 2 years - the boards fault.

[elwaclaret]

No backroom staff whatsoever, no apparent preparations made on the contingency of Dyche's sacking, staring down at relegation with a mountain of debt, massive squad overhaul needed if we're even to put out a side next season (regardless of the division), toxic atmosphere and good faith squandered by ticketing farces, complete lack of transparency, and now a knee-jerk sacking of the best manager in a lifetime, all brought about by a group of opportunists seeking to exploit the commercial opportunities available in English football, and some desire to use Burnley as some pie-in-the sky proof-of-concept for a scouting app. Nah, don't think I'm overreacting, actually.

In fact so unexpected, it surely makes you think why Two men gushing over each other when Alan Pace arrived, so recently, suddenly don’t waste any time explaining why the manager has left his job and caught everyone in football out? I remember the relationship of Garlick/Dyche also going through a similar dramatic change.


More to come out, possibly a lot more. Let’s wait, otherwise we are just casting baseless accusations.

[Spiral]

So they take all of the blame and none of the credit if it works out?

You don't take credit with gambles. You win or you lose. No credit, all blame. This football club is not some plaything. The viability of a lot of small businesses in Burnley are welded to the club's ability to attract footfall, and for others, to directly engage with them economically. Don't think for a second we're too big for what happened to Bury to happen to us ten years from now. Just look at Glasgow Rangers. Look at what almost happened to Liverpool under Hicks and Gillett. Two years ago we were about as far away from the fortunes of those clubs as any could possibly be. That's not so, now. And for what? They've had a few transfer windows to sort the squad out, and yet all things considered I'd argue we're having the single worst season in a decade.

[boatshed bill]

It just seems that Dyche gets off Scot free in any part of the football club.

The style of football - the boards fault
The results/performances for 2 years - the boards fault.

For me Sean Dyche overstepped the mark when he fell out with the chairman over the contract situations of Hart, Lennon, Bardsley and Hendrick,
The players apparently were not prepared to sign a one month extension. Dyche threw his toys out and, for me, was lucky to keep his job.
And let's face it, nothing much has gone right since.

[Somethingfishy]

I know the meaning of life, but you can all sod off!

I already know it. It's 42.

[Burnley Ace]

But had he done anything wrong they’d have said his contract had been terminated, reasons confidential, etc, etc. They clearly state it’s for footballing reasons, the disappointing results and to give us the best chance of survival.

Would they? Or would they want to avoid further unrest? Why have the entire 1st team coaching staff gone? Why Mercer, we have 3 International keepers? Why no “thanks Gaffer you’ve made me the man I am”? Why no rumours, no vote of confidence, why 2 days before a match not straight after Norwich? Why no best wishes for the future?

[Boxy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ement.html

15m pay out as he was on close to 100k a week... not sure we gonna be able to afford some of these manager names

[BabylonClaret]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... ement.html

15m pay out as he was on close to 100k a week... not sure we gonna be able to afford some of these manager names

Article doesn't say that but that we are wrangling with him over how much of it we do pay.

Interesting that this article suggests the players were shocked and doesn't give any other of the possible rumours.

[Vegas Claret]

No backroom staff whatsoever, no apparent preparations made on the contingency of Dyche's sacking, staring down at relegation with a mountain of debt, massive squad overhaul needed if we're even to put out a side next season (regardless of the division), toxic atmosphere and good faith squandered by ticketing farces, complete lack of transparency, and now a knee-jerk sacking of the best manager in a lifetime, all brought about by a group of opportunists seeking to exploit the commercial opportunities available in English football, and some desire to use Burnley as some pie-in-the sky proof-of-concept for a scouting app. Nah, don't think I'm overreacting, actually.

I was going to ask if all your posts are this daft, but I had a look, they are.

[Vegas Claret]

Article doesn't say that but that we are wrangling with him over how much of it we do pay.

Interesting that this article suggests the players were shocked and doesn't give any other of the possible rumours.

that's shocked it's actually happened - not an indication of their delight or not

[Shaggy]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... 709810.amp

Who knows how accurate this is.

[Bangers&Mash]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... 709810.amp

Who knows how accurate this is.

An awful lot of words to essentially say nothing there!

[CrosspoolClarets]

I would expect the wrangling to be linked to when Dyche gets a new job and what that means to his payout, e.g. if he got one in the summer but on lower wages. He would probably want to ensure he doesn’t lose out financially compared to letting his contract carry on, similarly there is no argument for “doubling up” on wages here and elsewhere and thus making more money than he would have.

Same with the other staff. Whatever they conclude, it will probably be under a NDA that may even prevent them talking about the club at all apart from platitudes.

[Sean Dyche's Watch]

It's strange that the football management team list hasn't been updated on the official website:

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/mor ... contact-us

[Blakesboots]

No backroom staff whatsoever, no apparent preparations made on the contingency of Dyche's sacking, staring down at relegation with a mountain of debt, massive squad overhaul needed if we're even to put out a side next season (regardless of the division), toxic atmosphere and good faith squandered by ticketing farces, complete lack of transparency, and now a knee-jerk sacking of the best manager in a lifetime, all brought about by a group of opportunists seeking to exploit the commercial opportunities available in English football, and some desire to use Burnley as some pie-in-the sky proof-of-concept for a scouting app. Nah, don't think I'm overreacting, actually.

Sport deserves intelligent comment

[Blakesboots]

I would expect the wrangling to be linked to when Dyche gets a new job and what that means to his payout, e.g. if he got one in the summer but on lower wages. He would probably want to ensure he doesn’t lose out financially compared to letting his contract carry on, similarly there is no argument for “doubling up” on wages here and elsewhere and thus making more money than he would have.

Same with the other staff. Whatever they conclude, it will probably be under a NDA that may even prevent them talking about the club at all apart from platitudes.

Been getting grief for suggesting that there will be an NDA. I’d even go as far as suggesting that as part of the severance they’ll be a time determined non competition clause. I’d guess this will run until the end of the competitive season.