Alasdair Beattie gone too

[taio]

I think that on the plans that were put forward it was a good deal. The pandemic has meant any funding/investment that was sought has come through and that’s just left us a little stagnant.

And in loads of debt which will become very problematic if we go down and don't quickly return to the PL.

[jrgbfc]

It’s more Brand Dyche. He’s very protective of his image and he wants to be a big 6 manager one day, and then England manager.

I think he may have to revise his ambitions downwards. The big 6 wouldn't touch Dyche with a barge pole, unless he drastically reinvents himself.

[Blakesboots]

And in loads of debt which will become very problematic if we go down and don't quickly return to the PL.

It’s serviceable. I wouldn’t worry, we owe money to friends not to HMRC.

[MACCA]

My thoughts are

A. If we appoint a manager and all the staff this coming week, the sacking was pre planned and there's a plan in place.

B. If we don't appoint someone it's more of an impulse sacking ( the rumour SD was talking to another club COULD be true or a big fight/fall out )
As identifying the persons wanted, doing the interviews for so many important roles, and the process / contracts take a lot of time if doing unexpectedly from scratch

This coming week will reveal a lot in my opinion.

I personally believe it will be option A

[Boss Hogg]

Maybe a new person already lined up who wants his own team including physio. That wouldn’t be be that unusual. Think some people just need to see what happens before trying to sling muck at the board when they have no knowledge of what is happening behind the scenes.

[taio]

It’s serviceable. I wouldn’t worry, we owe money to friends not to HMRC.

It will quickly become unserviceable.

[Lowbankclaret]

Except you don’t get compensation for sacked staff. It’s one of the weakest bits of info currently doing the rounds.

Either that, or the owners are even more clueless than first impressions.

There is employment law in the UK. Obviously I don’t know any circumstances here. But if he was sacked, the club needs a good reason to sack him.
I know managers are treated differently but they normally get a good compensation package.

The few people who got sacked when I was union rep, got paid off to prevent any court action being brought against the company.

[Lowbankclaret]

It’s serviceable. I wouldn’t worry, we owe money to friends not to HMRC.

For a brand new poster, you put forward you have a lot knowledge about certain situations and are very defensive of the owners.

If I was a betting man, I would bet your part of their team.
Here to defend them and add some balance.

[Stayingup]

I think Dyche is better thought of than we give credit. He has cultivated influential relationships with a number of top current and past managers over the years. He’s a bright man, and invested in himself.

Don’t be fooled, Dyche is pragmatic, he developed a system that worked for the tools he had. It’s gone stale because he couldn’t refresh the squad with the newer tools he wanted.

Ferguson was the same mold, although he had the backing and means to refresh and reinvent. The message stayed the same from start to finish.

He needs a job to help him springboard up the league (Everton/Aston Villa/Leicester) and then he will get a top six job.

He will be England Manger one day.

I agree very much with your comment here and would add that Dyche is also a Media hit. The media mostly (forget the clowns on Talksport) like him. He has a gruff voice but he is intelligent and articulate. I expect to see and hear him as a pundit on the media quite soon and until the next job in management arrives.

[Blakesboots]

There is employment law in the UK. Obviously I don’t know any circumstances here. But if he was sacked, the club needs a good reason to sack him.
I know managers are treated differently but they normally get a good compensation package.

The few people who got sacked when I was union rep, got paid off to prevent any court action being brought against the company.

Whilst there is law to protect employees, there’s very few enacted laws in football. Due to the nature of the role exits and terms are built into contracts.

The club has a good reason to sack Dyche.

[Blakesboots]

For a brand new poster, you put forward you have a lot knowledge about certain situations and are very defensive of the owners.

If I was a betting man, I would bet your part of their team.
Here to defend them and add some balance.

I’d always seek to add balance to any discussion, as we all should?

[Blakesboots]

I agree very much with your comment here and would add that Dyche is also a Media hit. The media mostly (forget the clowns on Talksport) like him. He has a gruff voice but he is intelligent and articulate. I expect to see and hear him as a pundit on the media quite soon and until the next job in management arrives.

Totally agree, I think we will see him ‘do the rounds’ on the media channels. He is a great manager in the making and I fully expect him to go on to lead a top six club in the near future.

I expect a clamour for him to get jobs from Neville, Carra et al.

[Stayingup]

Whilst there is law to protect employees, there’s very few enacted laws in football. Due to the nature of the role exits and terms are built into contracts.

The club has a good reason to sack Dyche.

Hmm, very cloak and dagger.

[paulatky]

Whilst there is law to protect employees, there’s very few enacted laws in football. Due to the nature of the role exits and terms are built into contracts.

The club has a good reason to sack Dyche.

Sacked and paid off are 2 different things

[paulatky]

Hmm, very cloak and dagger.

Not if it’s results based

[Blakesboots]

Sacked and paid off are 2 different things

Not in the football world, most sacked managers/employees get paid off. The contracts are very different, the landscape is very different.

[Blakesboots]

Not if it’s results based

I think the suggested changes were being made around the results, but the brevity of the situation was purely a rubicon moment for BFC/Dyche.

[BurnleyFC]

Yes. Becoming more likely that pace found out they had another job lined up, so he's sacked them, the goalkeeping coach and physio.

Some of those sacked pre-date Dyche don't they?

Why wouldn’t you let them all leave en masse and avoid a compensation payout then?

[paulatky]

It’s serviceable. I wouldn’t worry, we owe money to friends not to HMRC.

For as long as we are a PL club
They will have to gamble on not going down ( as the last couple of days indicate ) or if it does gamble on getting back up as soon as possible

[Blakesboots]

For as long as we are a PL club
They will have to gamble on not going down ( as the last couple of days indicate ) or if it does gamble on getting back up as soon as possible

No one in their right mind would buy a club like BFC, who have flirted with relegation and been relegated without a model that is serviceable in the championship for a period.

Yes the pandemic has got in the way of investment, but it’s in no way unserviceable, it is in no way hamstringing us and we will move forward as a club.

The next few appointments to the club will be interesting and hopefully will reassure the fans.

[paulatky]

Not in the football world, most sacked managers/employees get paid off. The contracts are very different, the landscape is very different.

Sacked and relieved of their duties and paid up are different things even in football.

[CnBtruntru]

I would have thought if SD and team were going to jump ship, I would doubt myself it would have been a mass exodus without giving senior management the heads up, just wouldn't see him being that sort of person. Why he was sacked is anybody's guess at the moment and there seems to be a lot of guessing at the moment.
As for Beattie maybe he went to Pace and said he wasn't impressed with the sacking and then told to walk, speculation?

[taio]

No one in their right mind would buy a club like BFC, who have flirted with relegation and been relegated without a model that is serviceable in the championship for a period.

Yes the pandemic has got in the way of investment, but it’s in no way unserviceable, it is in no way hamstringing us and we will move forward as a club.

The next few appointments to the club will be interesting and hopefully will reassure the fans.

That's all well and good if retain PL status or quickly return to the PL if we are relegated. If that doesn't happen we will be in financial meltdown. There are limitations to increasing our commercial revenue and covering our normal operating costs in the football league, which has always been a challenge without such significant debt hanging over the club.

[paulatky]

No one in their right mind would buy a club like BFC, who have flirted with relegation and been relegated without a model that is serviceable in the championship for a period.

Yes the pandemic has got in the way of investment, but it’s in no way unserviceable, it is in no way hamstringing us and we will move forward as a club.

The next few appointments to the club will be interesting and hopefully will reassure the fans.

Lets resume the conversation over a pint in 2 years time.

Part of the ALK plan was based on getting further investment once they acquired the club and that has not happened and becomes less likely with relegation.
There is no evidence that the backers have put any significant money in themselves so to them it’s almost risk free, accept for damage to their reputations.

Pace tried to do a similar deal at Southampton but was run out of town.

[SkiptonClaret]

It’s more Brand Dyche. He’s very protective of his image and he wants to be a big 6 manager one day, and then England manager.

‘LOL’ Literally no chance that Mike Basset is getting any of those gigs. ‘442’ lads, big ‘un, little ‘un, no foreigners if we can help it.

[Blakesboots]

Lets resume the conversation over a pint in 2 years time.

Part of the ALK plan was based on getting further investment once they acquired the club and that has not happened and becomes less likely with relegation.
There is no evidence that the backers have put any significant money in themselves so to them it’s almost risk free, accept for damage to their reputations.

Pace tried to do a similar deal at Southampton but was run out of town.

I don’t drink so it’ll have to be a coffee, but happily

[Blakesboots]

‘LOL’ Literally no chance that Mike Basset is getting any of those gigs. ‘442’ lads, big ‘un, little ‘un, no foreigners if we can help it.

Pragmatism: Dyche has only failed latterly at BFC because we wouldn’t afford to refresh the squad.

[taio]

Pragmatism: Dyche has only failed latterly at BFC because we wouldn’t afford to refresh the squad.

If we couldn't afford to refresh the squad while we have benefited from the vast sums of money the PL brings how can you also claim we aren't skint and imply the debt is serviceable if we go down?

[paulatky]

I don’t drink so it’ll have to be a coffee, but happily

Ah you are really Alan Pace

I bet you are not buying pizza next Thursday in the fanzone like you were a month ago

Ah sorry again , I forgot you don’t bet either

[dandeclaret]

I think the suggested changes were being made around the results, but the brevity of the situation was purely a rubicon moment for BFC/Dyche.

A Rubicon moment? That’s a very English saying……

[Lancasterclaret]

Just checking here

People are assuming its Everton on the assumption that we stay up, and Everton go down, so that Dyche would then get the Everton job after Lampard is presumably sacked?

And the conflict of interest is that its in Dyche interest to keep Burnley up........................oh

I don't see the issue here with that one I have to be honest

Kudos though for whoever invented the rumour on twitter, its certainly a level above what we are used to

[Lancasterclaret]

A Rubicon moment? That’s a very English saying……

Alea Iacta est as they say down in Stoops

[Blakesboots]

If we couldn't afford to refresh the squad while we have benefited from the vast sums of money the PL brings how can you also claim we aren't skint and imply the debt is serviceable if we go down?

Dyche redirected money to the academy and to get Cat 1.

We aren’t skint the books will show that, we’re about to get rid of the Dyche deadweights and we have money to invest.

[SkiptonClaret]

Pragmatism: Dyche has only failed latterly at BFC because we wouldn’t afford to refresh the squad.

Dyche’s idea of “refreshing the squad” was continually extending the contracts of 30 somethings, oh and signing Peter Crouch.

[NewClaret]

Just reading through this thread and the more I think about it, the more the Everton rumours would make sense of a lot of the

Maybe they’re officially suspended pending that situation being sorted with Everton (hence no players commenting officially)? I doubt we’d give up the compensation due in our position.

[Blakesboots]

Dyche’s idea of “refreshing the squad” was continually extending the contracts of 30 somethings, oh and signing Peter Crouch.

Yes, because there wasn’t value in the market for us refresh. We got stuck in a loop that has now been broken.

[taio]

Dyche redirected money to the academy and to get Cat 1.

We aren’t skint the books will show that, we’re about to get rid of the Dyche deadweights and we have money to invest.

Where is the money coming from to invest if we go down? More debt, fire sale or somewhere else?

[gawthorpe_view]

We beat Everton.

Possibly the catalyst of the current situation.

Possibly.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Dyche’s idea of “refreshing the squad” was continually extending the contracts of 30 somethings, oh and signing Peter Crouch.

Why do people still object to the Crouch signing?
We got very good money for Vokes, who's gone downhill very rapidly since we sold him and we had a proven striker for half a season which is all we needed him for.

I don't get why people still object and/or struggle with how good a deal that all was...

[RVclaret]

Dyche redirected money to the academy and to get Cat 1.

We aren’t skint the books will show that, we’re about to get rid of the Dyche deadweights and we have money to invest.

You are way too positive about ALK for this board. Don’t you know you are debating with all of Burnley FC’s accountants and bankers who have every detail of knowledge about our financial position?

[dandeclaret]

Dyche’s idea of “refreshing the squad” was continually extending the contracts of 30 somethings, oh and signing Peter Crouch.

Or signing Tarkowski, Gibson, Taylor, Brownhill, Chris Wood, Collins…. But don’t let actual facts on key players (even if they didn’t work out) get in the way of a story. It’s a balanced squad to give the best chance of achieving the agreed objective…. Staying in the premier league without additional funding.

[taio]

You are way too positive about ALK for this board. Don’t you know you are debating with all of Burnley FC’s accountants and bankers who have every detail of knowledge about our financial position?

And you constantly defending them is based on what?

[Hendrickxz]

Ah you are really Alan Pace

I bet you are not buying pizza next Thursday in the fanzone like you were a month ago

Ah sorry again , I forgot you don’t bet either

I think it's fair to say that hemight not bet, but he sure as hell gambles!

[Lancasterclaret]

You are way too positive about ALK for this board. Don’t you know you are debating with all of Burnley FC’s accountants and bankers who have every detail of knowledge about our financial position?

Our financial position is significantly worse after relegation

1) Because we lose £100 million TV money

2) A substantial chunk of the funds Burnley had in reserve were used to finance the take over

I mean, our financial position is going to be a lot worse. How positive are you about our financial position based on that?

[dandeclaret]

Blakesboots… if you are connected to ALK…. Can you pass a
Message on to stop destabilising the club by breaking the foundations , whilst distracting fans with cosmetic, faddy, 101 football club 101 shite. Cheers.

[jojomk1]

Totally agree, I think we will see him ‘do the rounds’ on the media channels. He is a great manager in the making and I fully expect him to go on to lead a top six club in the near future.

I expect a clamour for him to get jobs from Neville, Carra et al.

Don't think you will see a clamour from any other clubs supporters

[Stockbrokerbelt]

It could be that the head physio has gone because they have someone better to fill the position or they don’t need that position & save the cost as could be with the other roles that have gone? Nice to see the club running like any other well run business.

[paulatky]

Where is the money coming from to invest if we go down? More debt, fire sale or somewhere else?

As Pace said in his latest interview, sale of players namely Pope and Cornet

[Andreshotboots]

Dyche has either got an incredibly loyal bunch of people who will stick with him and follow him everywhere, or something very sinister is occurring behind the scenes.

My take on this right from the start is the latter.

Even the bloody groundsman went a week or two ago didn’t he?

[paulatky]

Dyche redirected money to the academy and to get Cat 1.

We aren’t skint the books will show that, we’re about to get rid of the Dyche deadweights and we have money to invest.

The “books” as you call it, the accounts to accountants aren’t due until June and will be at that time 12 months out of date.