Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

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Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:06 pm

Looked a bit like a fish out of water tonight to me, got obvious talent, as we know
but what's his best use or position?

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Vino blanco » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:08 pm

Wherever the current manager says.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Conroy92 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:09 pm

His presence on the field is excellent. He has the ability to frighten the opposition by just taking hold of the ball. I think he's looked a better fit on the left than up top but see him as more of a left sided forward on a front 3. Not sure if we'll have to worry about it next season, think he'll be snapped up in summer.
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:11 pm

I think he’s just different to what us Burnley fans are used to seeing, like someone above says, his presence and pace means two opposition players are always wary of him and it gives others room.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by RVclaret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:14 pm

He’s doing just fine on the wing. We look far more dangerous with him there. I don’t get how people aren’t seeing it. He has some very clever touches and knows where the space is to attack. Not everything comes off for him but his incredible goal scoring was never going to last. It’s also a tweak from Jackson to allow him to stay a touch further forward, making our defensive shape almost 4–3-3 like. It allows for faster transitions on the break.
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by claretspice » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:15 pm

I thought he did fine. He looks like a left winger to me so play him there. Not everything came off and he's a but suspect under pressure when he's working back in our defensive third but he'll get over that.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by claretspice » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:16 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:14 pm
He’s doing just fine on the wing. We look far more dangerous with him there. I don’t get how people aren’t seeing it. He has some very clever touches and knows where the space is to attack. Not everything comes off for him but his incredible goal scoring was never going to last. It’s also a tweak from Jackson to allow him to stay a touch further forward, making our defensive shape almost 4–3-3 like. It allows for faster transitions on the break.
Yes, quite notable at times that Jay was virtually playing as an orthodox midfielder. I'd water that when Hendrick was playing 10 he played closer to the 9 when defending than Jay did when we were defending today.
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by spt_claret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:17 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:11 pm
I think he’s just different to what us Burnley fans are used to seeing, like someone above says, his presence and pace means two opposition players are always wary of him and it gives others room.
He's certainly an enigma of a player.

His positives:
Quick, great touch, eye for the spectacular goal, good dribbler with actual flair, mean corner delivery (and that free kick vs Leeds was tasty too0, can find space inbetween or behind defenders pretty well. Pretty good at cutting it low across the box.
Negatives:
Has fluffed multiple chances easier to score than most of his goals, defensively shaky and seems to be getting shakier, surprisingly not a great crosser in open play given his corner taking. Sometimes seems lost positionally.

He's got so much talent, but really doesn't fit our system at all, and is one of the most erratic players I've seen in a long time. Part of me would like to see him back in the second striker role, as he started there and did very well. Part of me thinks he's best wide in a 433, probably on the right cutting in rather than on the left cutting it back. We have to keep playing him until the consistency clicks, but I'm not sure how we change the rest of the setup to accomodate him.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:17 pm

A lot didn't come off for him tonight but just his touch, pace and attacking intent is a massive part of why as a team we could play how we did tonight. The days the other stuff come off he'll look unplayable by our standards
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:17 pm

I didn't get our apparent chasing of left sided players (Orsic and Cornet) when our star was a left winger.
Not sure where Cornet fits, but McNeil was superb on the right tonight, so maybe they'll find a balance.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:19 pm

Looked fine to me as stated above

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:21 pm

If you took away his goals and assists, you would generally have a normal foreign player who struggles to adapt in their first season.

Luckily he has them goals and assists.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by RVclaret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:22 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:17 pm
A lot didn't come off for him tonight but just his touch, pace and attacking intent is a massive part of why as a team we could play how we did tonight. The days the other stuff come off he'll look unplayable by our standards
100% agree

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:24 pm

Best position would be on the left of a front 3
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by KRBFC » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:26 pm

He can't play out of his skin every week, he's the type of player that will fade in and out. I thought he was fine tonight, a little quiet but certainly nothing to worry about.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by JR1882 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:28 pm

I just don’t think he is a good footballer I think I’m alone there though haha!

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:30 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:06 pm
Looked a bit like a fish out of water tonight to me, got obvious talent, as we know
but what's his best use or position?
Our best player this year.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by JR1882 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:32 pm

I think he needs coaching, really good coaching, discipline and decision making, and to work on his first time passing and he could be great for us. Energy in abundance.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by EarbyClaret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:33 pm

We are - or at least have been - a predictable team - which makes us relatively easy to defend against

Max gives us an unpredictability and I think what was saw - especially - was the opportunity that creates for others as much as himself

It makes us slightly more vulnerable defensively but that's where we are right now - we don't have the choice. We have to twist rather than stick

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:39 pm

He scares teams. He has unbelievable movement which goes unnoticed but his runs in behind are a constant threat - always dragging defenders around. He’s obviously been told to stay further forward because he has actually been pretty solid in his last few games - particularly Everton where he was excellent defensively. Think he’s doing fine on the left but agree that he would be best in a 433, probably on the right.

I’m just glad we’ve got someone of his class who is a hero to the fans and a truly exciting player.
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Buxtonclaret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:39 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:09 pm
His presence on the field is excellent. He has the ability to frighten the opposition by just taking hold of the ball. I think he's looked a better fit on the left than up top but see him as more of a left sided forward on a front 3. Not sure if we'll have to worry about it next season, think he'll be snapped up in summer.
Spot on.
Also, he looks very much a confidence player.
If he finds some, he could be an unpredictable nightmare for defenders if the confidence flows with his obvious vision/skills.
We're going for it. We haven't much choice.
Hopefully he'll show up.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by deanothedino » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:41 pm

I thought he looked fine tonight. Few occasions where if we’d have looked up we might have been able to get him in on the keeper with his movement.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by deanothedino » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:42 pm

JR1882 wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:28 pm
I just don’t think he is a good footballer I think I’m alone there though haha!
Not quite sure how you can look at his stats this season and come even close to this conclusion. Do you watch from the car park?

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:42 pm

Not the best tonight but I’d keep him on the left.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by jojomk1 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:43 pm

He can score goals
But he doesn't do much else
Not sure you could drop Jay to accommodate him
And playing wide left negates Dwight who has to then play wide right
Always seems to be on the back foot when balls are played into his feet from behind with opposition catching him in possession
It's a quandary that will have to be solved eventually but give him more game time to adjust to our game

But don't let him take any more pens :o

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Neil » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:43 pm

If he was a right winger, the team would almost pick itself. Don't think Dwight is suited to playing on the right. We seem to have moved away from hopeful crosses which would have been ok in the past as he can always cut back onto his left a deliver an inswinger. Much prefer this new approach!

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by RVclaret » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:45 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:43 pm
He can score goals
But he doesn't do much else
Not sure you could drop Jay to accommodate him
And playing wide left negates Dwight who has to then play wide right
Always seems to be on the back foot when balls are played into his feet from behind with opposition catching him in possession
It's a quandary that will have to be solved eventually but give him more game time to adjust to our game

But don't let him take any more pens :o
Just ignorant / clueless if you don’t think he does much else aside from ‘can score goals’. Also you make a point about playing Dwight on the right who’s actually been very good when played there all season, especially tonight.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:53 pm

People saying he doesn’t do anything but score goals reminds me of what people said about a certain Chris Wood. The difference is that Cornet is actually much more of a threat breaking the back line and got to the byline a few times today in what was a quiet day. He offers a creative threat just as good as any of our other midfielders and a goal scoring ability our forwards don’t even seem to have. He’s not 100% every week but if he was he’d be playing for Man City.

As for saying he’s not a very good footballer… Open your eyes. Look at his touches, corners, goals…

Not his day today but stick with the team as is for me. Would also mention that when him and Dwight interchange, passing between each other, we look like a very dangerous outfit. There was that Wout chance in the first half which was excellent, quick play by MC and DM.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Swizzlestick » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:17 pm

He’s erratic, but if he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be playing for us. Gets us up the pitch loads and constantly shows for it.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by DCWat » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:26 pm

One of my biggest frustrations with him is his insistence on waiting for the ball to come to him - handing over possession a little too easily on occasion by giving the opposition that split second to get in ahead of him.

He will improve though - he’s probably afforded less time than he’s been used to in the French league.
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by jos » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:31 pm

He certainly adds a bit of excitement, not his night tonight, but when he’s good he’s very good. I was at the game tonight and thought he tracked back really well and put a shift in, my wife watched it on the box and thought he was rubbish.

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Post by Sozturf7 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:31 pm

Looked good to me. He frightened the opposition in my opinion.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by gawthorpe_view » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:40 pm

Injured tonight, about 20 minutes before he was subbed, the physio was applying a PR, or similar, spray to the back of his right knee/ upper calf.
Hope he's fit for Sunday.

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Post by basil6345789 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:48 pm

On the bench, coming on as an impact player. Dwight back on left, Lennon The Lionheart on the right.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:48 pm

basil6345789 wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:48 pm
On the bench, coming on as an impact player. Dwight back on left, Lennon The Lionheart on the right.
No.
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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Elizabeth » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:05 am

Seems his heart is with the club and fans which is massive for our hopes this season.
He has to stay in the team because I’m looking forward to seeing him pay us back for his recent misfortune in front of goal.
I love my mum but I love Cornet more. ( I don’t but it sounded good)

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:08 am

every single one of them needs total 100% support from all of us until the summer. You could see the crowd lift them during the game, it's so important.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:51 am

If we had the requisite central midfielders i'd suggest a tight Liverpool style midfield triangle, with Cornet and McNeil buzzing around either side of Weghorst.

As it is last night we had to maybe try and get as close as we could to that by Jay dropping back into midfield at times.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Billy Balfour » Fri Apr 22, 2022 8:58 am

He had a good first half, and we know there's much more to come from him when he gets his full confidence back in front of the goal. That miss at Norwich will play on his mind, given what's gone on since then.

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Post by Spijed » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:04 am

Is he likely to be fit as he limped off when he was substituted?

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Post by CleggHall » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:28 am

Is on a par with Eagles! :D

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Post by claretandy » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:46 am

With our new found tactical freedom, i would like to see Cornet and Mcneil switch wings a couple of times during the game, keep the opposition guessing.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:58 am

Thought he did fine, and having that pace for the counter attack really does give us options we've not really had before

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Sleeping Cat » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:15 am

Looked good to me. A threat on the attack, good team work, helps out defensively too. Much prefer him on the wing that up front.

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Post by Quicknick » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:03 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:09 pm
His presence on the field is excellent. He has the ability to frighten the opposition by just taking hold of the ball. I think he's looked a better fit on the left than up top but see him as more of a left sided forward on a front 3. Not sure if we'll have to worry about it next season, think he'll be snapped up in summer.
Not if we stay up.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Jamesy » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:42 pm

He can be frustrating at times when things don’t come off for him. Last night he looked to be running up a few blind alleys and lost the ball several times. Having said that, I would still start him next game as he does offer a threat and could have a blinder against Wolves.

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Post by Bullabill » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:55 am

DCWat wrote:
Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:26 pm
One of my biggest frustrations with him is his insistence on waiting for the ball to come to him - handing over possession a little too easily on occasion by giving the opposition that split second to get in ahead of him.

He will improve though - he’s probably afforded less time than he’s been used to in the French league.
Agreed DCW.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by Tw@ » Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:24 am

He tries to a bit too clever when on the ball and should have a shot at goal instead of messing around

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by SouthLondonexile » Sat Apr 23, 2022 9:25 am

He really made a difference as frankly did all the players.
For me playing up front alongside Weghorst is his best position but as an inside forward just behind one of our own and Wout suits me just fine.

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Re: Cornet...Where Do we Fit Him In?

Post by warksclaret » Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:24 am

Hi best position is wide left midfield and coming inside for the through ball between the centre halves and full back. Lacking a bit of composure at present, but he can be a match winner.

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