Q and A with Alan Pace tonight
Q and A with Alan Pace tonight
Pushed him during this quite hard
Key points
After Norwich game didn’t expect to have to sack him but we are where we are
Results weren’t good enough although did say the transfer business in previous years didn’t help and the squad is way to old. Didn’t regret giving him a contract even tho other board members didn’t want to and would do it again. Still has a great relationship with him and meeting him very soon for dinner
Been abroad to speak to a manager would prefer to have someone on a part time basis until the end of the season however this is challenging as nobody wants the job on that basis
Training ground is like a museum without any art is how he put our current youth system and wants to drastically improve the players coming threw
Club won’t be in trouble if we go down but will obviously have to balance the books
Went to China to speak about a 100 million pound deal with a business friend who were keen after Everton game but cooled interest after Norwich game and the performance. Said will re assess at the end of the season however he did say this wasn’t related to Dyche sacking but was frustrated
Said he is looking at buying a club abroad to help with youth development within the club and talks are ongoing
Mentioned Dwight McNeil a lot about his development when talking and getting the best out of him
Finally, huge respect for the guy who could of ducked these things tonight but didn’t and was as honest as he could be
Key points
After Norwich game didn’t expect to have to sack him but we are where we are
Results weren’t good enough although did say the transfer business in previous years didn’t help and the squad is way to old. Didn’t regret giving him a contract even tho other board members didn’t want to and would do it again. Still has a great relationship with him and meeting him very soon for dinner
Been abroad to speak to a manager would prefer to have someone on a part time basis until the end of the season however this is challenging as nobody wants the job on that basis
Training ground is like a museum without any art is how he put our current youth system and wants to drastically improve the players coming threw
Club won’t be in trouble if we go down but will obviously have to balance the books
Went to China to speak about a 100 million pound deal with a business friend who were keen after Everton game but cooled interest after Norwich game and the performance. Said will re assess at the end of the season however he did say this wasn’t related to Dyche sacking but was frustrated
Said he is looking at buying a club abroad to help with youth development within the club and talks are ongoing
Mentioned Dwight McNeil a lot about his development when talking and getting the best out of him
Finally, huge respect for the guy who could of ducked these things tonight but didn’t and was as honest as he could be
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Re: Q and A with Alan Pace tonight
Crikey - if this is true we should get him certified
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What’s this about? Where did he do a Q&A?
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Business club members before the game tonight. Popped in before the game to answer questions
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“After Norwich game didn’t expect to have to sack him but we are where we are“
Did it come across that something else had happened and he ultimately had to act?
Did it come across that something else had happened and he ultimately had to act?
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Eh?SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:28 pmCrikey - if this is true we should get him certified
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His dinner with Dyche should be very interesting . I presume they can do these kind of things with Zoom or something similar
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Thanks so much for posting. Three most interesting parts for me:
- He doesn’t regret giving him the contract. Presumably that means it didn’t cost him £15m to exit. Good to hear they’re meeting for dinner.
- Other board members didn’t want to. Wonder who that was?!
- £100m China deal. Can you elaborate on that at all? I assume he means a £100m investment in the club in return for equity?
- He doesn’t regret giving him the contract. Presumably that means it didn’t cost him £15m to exit. Good to hear they’re meeting for dinner.
- Other board members didn’t want to. Wonder who that was?!
- £100m China deal. Can you elaborate on that at all? I assume he means a £100m investment in the club in return for equity?
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Said he couldn’t go into details but after the Norwich game he didn’t expect to have to make the decision he did with Sean but we are where we are
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
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Said he couldn’t go into details but after the Norwich game he didn’t expect to have to make the decision he did with Sean but we are where we are
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
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NewClaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:37 pmThanks so much for posting. Three most interesting parts for me:
- He doesn’t regret giving him the contract. Presumably that means it didn’t cost him £15m to exit. Good to hear they’re meeting for dinner.
- Other board members didn’t want to. Wonder who that was?!
- £100m China deal. Can you elaborate on that at all? I assume he means a £100m investment in the club in return for equity?
Said it would have been the biggest deal the club had ever seen. Met the family and top executives in China and watched the Everton game together. Thought it was going well until the Norwich game and it went cold until the Summer. Didn’t say what the deal was just it was worth 100m
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We are going to America i the summer as it’s an area he wants to explore with fans. Said going to Portugal because it was cheap wasn’t an option and they need to tap into new revenue streams
Sorry things are coming back to me so might be other bits I post
Sorry things are coming back to me so might be other bits I post
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Brilliant to hear. Fills me with hope.Burnley87 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:41 pmSaid it would have been the biggest deal the club had ever seen. Met the family and top executives in China and watched the Everton game together. Thought it was going well until the Norwich game and it went cold until the Summer. Didn’t say what the deal was just it was worth 100m
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Shocking to hear we went there because it was cheap. Good to hear we’re thinking this way as well.
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If I remember more will post in here, had a few peroni enjoying the game. The commercial team around the club at the moment aren’t idiots and been in top positions in other football clubs building various projects. Walked away tonight as impressed with how the club is being run behind the scenes as I was on the pitch.
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According to Ashley Westwood he offered to babysit his kids so his wife could join him at the hospital whilst he had his operation today.
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Said he couldn’t go into details but after the Norwich game he didn’t expect to have to make the decision he did with Sean but we are where we are
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
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Chinese money - thats reassuring. Maybe they will build a great port on the canal with a small naval base.
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100m China deal and they cooked after one result?
Riiiiight….
Riiiiight….
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Burnley87 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:38 pmSaid he couldn’t go into details but after the Norwich game he didn’t expect to have to make the decision he did with Sean but we are where we are
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
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‘…After Norwich game didn’t expect to have to sack him but we are where we are…’
I wonder if he expected Sean to resign after the poor showing at Norwich
I wonder if he expected Sean to resign after the poor showing at Norwich
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Re: Q and A with Alan Pace tonight
Ta. Will take a look.
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Wow, well that's a lot to digest!
I can understand that a lot of folks want to give the board a chance (and at heart I do, too, truly) but this quote...
I can understand that a lot of folks want to give the board a chance (and at heart I do, too, truly) but this quote...
This kind of dice-rolling is why some people (myself included) are very nervous about the ownership. I hope to God it works out in the end, I truly do, but so much of the business plan appears to be contingent on attracting outside investment, and if ever you wanted a demonstration of the capriciousness of a lot of those who seek to invest in football for a return then this is it. Hot after a win, cold after a defeat. Insanity. Not sound business, and ultimately dangerous to Burnley. We're beholden to economic forces belonging in the hands of people (those beyond the direct owners of BFC) who reconfigure their investment approaches result-by-result. This is the very opposite of stability. I do hate to be negative about the club, especially after the last two results, but this creeping anxiety that we've thrown away genuine, enviable economic stability on a gamble just will not go away for me.Burnley87 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:24 pmClub won’t be in trouble if we go down but will obviously have to balance the books
Went to China to speak about a 100 million pound deal with a business friend who were keen after Everton game but cooled interest after Norwich game and the performance. Said will re assess at the end of the season however he did say this wasn’t related to Dyche sacking but was frustrated
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Also, when China eventually invades Taiwan we've got the potential for a Gazprom-type situation on our hands if the backer is state-linked (which in China is practically assured). How does a club in England navigate business ties to a sanctioned entity? If we've spent that money before it comes in we're the next *insert any club from the last decade finding itself in dire financial straits*
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Hasn’t this ownership always been reliant on future investment? We aren’t in the bottom 3 because of anything Pace has done.Spiral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:08 amWow, well that's a lot to digest!
I can understand that a lot of folks want to give the board a chance (and at heart I do, too, truly) but this quote...
This kind of dice-rolling is why some people (myself included) are very nervous about the ownership. I hope to God it works out in the end, I truly do, but so much of the business plan appears to be contingent on attracting outside investment, and if ever you wanted a demonstration of the capriciousness of a lot of those who seek to invest in football for a return then this is it. Hot after a win, cold after a defeat. Insanity. Not sound business, and ultimately dangerous to Burnley. We're beholden to economic forces belonging in the hands of people (those beyond the direct owners of BFC) who reconfigure their investment approaches result-by-result. This is the very opposite of stability. I do hate to be negative about the club, especially after the last two results, but this creeping anxiety that we've thrown away genuine, enviable economic stability on a gamble just will not go away for me.
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Why not just give the guy a chance
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Never read so much ******** on here EVER!Burnley87 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:52 pmSaid he couldn’t go into details but after the Norwich game he didn’t expect to have to make the decision he did with Sean but we are where we are
Also He did mention the brand of football becoming better and players have reached out to him to say the shackles have been removed
Spoke with the players and asked them if they enjoy the type of football because he believes they are better than competing for headers
After the Norwich game he didn’t expect to make the decision he did? One game? One effing game and he made the decision? He probably should have made that call LONG before the Norwich game. Doing it five days AFTER the Norwich game was utterly bizarre. Placing an untested and untried manager in charge was even more bizarre.
The players have “reached out to him”? I get emails at work from people “reaching out to me” and they can all shag off. They’ve gone to an American chairman, who knows as much about English football as someone who doesn’t know anything about English football whatsoever and they’ve poured their hearts out to him about football and what they’d like to do and how they’d like to play? Yeah…. Ok.
He’s spoke with the players and asked them about the type of football they want? Has he? Has he really?
Utter tripe.
No doubt we are seeing a reaction, and these players are (mostly) PL standard players who just needed the right plan and set up, but let’s be honest, they got that v Brighton and v Spurs so we know they are good enough and we know the manager was up to it. Shame he was too stubborn to realise that his second or third best idea was actually the best. We are all too familiar with that “I know best” thing….
There has undoubtedly been a change in the short term, for sure we can all see that, and if we stay up, it’s been a master stroke….
But for this to mean anything, it needed to have been posted at 19:30, because now it’s just “look at me, I told you so…”
And fwiw, I didn’t want dyche to go, (although I was a little frustrated with things - and not just the results) but he has and I fully support the chairman…. He ain’t done an awful lot wrong so far as I can see….
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Because he wasn’t born in Burnley General!
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Why not just give the guy a chance
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They went to Portugal because of the facility. “The Campus”. One if not the best available. I was out there with them briefly. They didn’t stay in the best hotel, granted, but as SD explained to me, it was about bonding. He said that he couldn’t imagine any other PL side doing the same. The players had a ball, worked hard and partied hard. Quinta isn’t cheap! They were ferried around in luxury, and shared the pool with our national Paralympians, with whom our team and staff were superb. I suspect the players might fancy the states now though!
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I'm far from happy about financial links to China given how much unpleasantness goes on out there, but at the same time if/when they invade Taiwan and if we try to sanction squeeze them like Russia, I think we'll all have much much bigger things to worry about than the effect on Burnley FC.Spiral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:18 amAlso, when China eventually invades Taiwan we've got the potential for a Gazprom-type situation on our hands if the backer is state-linked (which in China is practically assured). How does a club in England navigate business ties to a sanctioned entity? If we've spent that money before it comes in we're the next *insert any club from the last decade finding itself in dire financial straits*
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The apparent importance of future investment on ALK's business plan seems to have been a feature of the ownership since day one, but let me be clear: not once have I put our current league position on the doorstep of the current owners. I've honestly been pleased with the signings they've made. We were all frustrated with the Orsic deal collapsing, but there's not much we could have done about that. You know why I'm bricking it a little bit? Because we've been through something similar with Brendan Flood. His involvement with Burnley could be the appetiser to what happens in the next decade. He invested in a way that fortuitously brought us a little bit of success, but then his property development business collapsed in the financial crisis and we came unstick and found ourselves urgently requiring budget cuts and the sales of our best players just to balance the books.Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:23 amHasn’t this ownership always been reliant on future investment? We aren’t in the bottom 3 because of anything Pace has done.
URGENTLY being the operative word. Because when urgency creeps in you've lost control.
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The July Sunstroke Tour!
Las Vegas Lights (a)
Phoenix Rising (a)
New Mexico United (a)
El Paso Locomotive (a)
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Is your username linked to the fact you talk absolute bobbins?bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:25 amNever read so much ******** on here EVER!
After the Norwich game he didn’t expect to make the decision he did? One game? One effing game and he made the decision? He probably should have made that call LONG before the Norwich game. Doing it five days AFTER the Norwich game was utterly bizarre. Placing an untested and untried manager in charge was even more bizarre.
The players have “reached out to him”? I get emails at work from people “reaching out to me” and they can all shag off. They’ve gone to an American chairman, who knows as much about English football as someone who doesn’t know anything about English football whatsoever and they’ve poured their hearts out to him about football and what they’d like to do and how they’d like to play? Yeah…. Ok.
He’s spoke with the players and asked them about the type of football they want? Has he? Has he really?
Utter tripe.
No doubt we are seeing a reaction, and these players are (mostly) PL standard players who just needed the right plan and set up, but let’s be honest, they got that v Brighton and v Spurs so we know they are good enough and we know the manager was up to it. Shame he was too stubborn to realise that his second or third best idea was actually the best. We are all too familiar with that “I know best” thing….
There has undoubtedly been a change in the short term, for sure we can all see that, and if we stay up, it’s been a master stroke….
But for this to mean anything, it needed to have been posted at 19:30, because now it’s just “look at me, I told you so…”
And fwiw, I didn’t want dyche to go, (although I was a little frustrated with things - and not just the results) but he has and I fully support the chairman…. He ain’t done an awful lot wrong so far as I can see….
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cooling off. Vancouver Whitecaps (a)CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:42 amThe July Sunstroke Tour!
Las Vegas Lights (a)
Phoenix Rising (a)
New Mexico United (a)
El Paso Locomotive (a)
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Omaha Union!
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I've been in Phoenix in September and it was 42 degrees. Or 107 degrees to the natives. Do they have an indoor stadium?CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:42 amThe July Sunstroke Tour!
Las Vegas Lights (a)
Phoenix Rising (a)
New Mexico United (a)
El Paso Locomotive (a)
How about some games in Alaska ?
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This seems like an overreaction. The clubs moving forward, it always has been and it’s growing. Be happy that we’ve got a chairman who wants to do the best for the club!bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:25 amNever read so much ******** on here EVER!
After the Norwich game he didn’t expect to make the decision he did? One game? One effing game and he made the decision? He probably should have made that call LONG before the Norwich game. Doing it five days AFTER the Norwich game was utterly bizarre. Placing an untested and untried manager in charge was even more bizarre.
The players have “reached out to him”? I get emails at work from people “reaching out to me” and they can all shag off. They’ve gone to an American chairman, who knows as much about English football as someone who doesn’t know anything about English football whatsoever and they’ve poured their hearts out to him about football and what they’d like to do and how they’d like to play? Yeah…. Ok.
He’s spoke with the players and asked them about the type of football they want? Has he? Has he really?
Utter tripe.
No doubt we are seeing a reaction, and these players are (mostly) PL standard players who just needed the right plan and set up, but let’s be honest, they got that v Brighton and v Spurs so we know they are good enough and we know the manager was up to it. Shame he was too stubborn to realise that his second or third best idea was actually the best. We are all too familiar with that “I know best” thing….
There has undoubtedly been a change in the short term, for sure we can all see that, and if we stay up, it’s been a master stroke….
But for this to mean anything, it needed to have been posted at 19:30, because now it’s just “look at me, I told you so…”
And fwiw, I didn’t want dyche to go, (although I was a little frustrated with things - and not just the results) but he has and I fully support the chairman…. He ain’t done an awful lot wrong so far as I can see….
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we have an indoor one here in Vegas. Apparently we are getting a Real Madrid v Barcelona pre-season friendly there.
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Phoenix, NM and EP all play in outdoor stadiums I think. About 107 in the summer here because we’re 4000ft up but Phoenix is just on a plain
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They’re just words at the moment. He does seem to be a good bloke though.
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Some really interesting comments there.
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Some folk are desperate for him to fail so they can tell everyone they told us it would happen, why can’t they just give him a chance. We have no choice in the matter anyway
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