Richarlison flare thrower

[NRC]

Those that are pretending that they want him banned because of some HSE violation, rather than just admitting that they want him banned because it would cause Everton huge problems with three games left

I'm honest enough to stick myself in the 2nd camp

they're not mutually exclusive, both can be true positions to hold

[dsr]

Those that are pretending that they want him banned because of some HSE violation, rather than just admitting that they want him banned because it would cause Everton huge problems with three games left

I'm honest enough to stick myself in the 2nd camp

Obviously we're more bothered about Richarlison because we're directly affected.

But ignoring this particular case, how do you feel about the general principles of players throwing lighted flares into the crowd?

A - should be banned in all circumstances
B - should be permitted in all circumstances
C - depends on the circumstances

?

[Devils_Advocate]

He didn't throw it into the crowd

[Lancasterclaret]

I see.
Does it have to be so polar, so black & white?

Could it not be that some people want him punished for his stupidity, but if they did ban him then that should also benefit Burnley. I think I am in this category, I e. a foot in each camp. I quite often see things from both sides, I see the grey. I am a moderate, it's rare I see things in black and white.
I do apologise, if I am not sufficiently polar for you.

Yeah

Its not black and white is it?

I'm sure you are outraged by the stupidity of a footballer (I mean, he's a footballer ffs) and I'm also sure that its just a massive coincidence that him being banned for it would help us out a lot

Maybe I'm just far too cynical for my own good as well mind!

[Lancasterclaret]

Obviously we're more bothered about Richarlison because we're directly affected.

But ignoring this particular case, how do you feel about the general principles of players throwing lighted flares into the crowd?

A - should be banned in all circumstances
B - should be permitted in all circumstances
C - depends on the circumstances

?

I couldn't give two ***** to be honest

[Burnley Ace]

Mentioned is Sky Sports tonight at the end of a report on Everton request not to bring flares, in the past tense as though the FA investigation is over?

[bfcjg]

Everton are not safe yet, the authorities will not act.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Knew it. Timed perfectly as the season ended.


https://twitter.com/faspokesperson/stat ... xT77hfXMgA

[CrosspoolClarets]

‪If that flare throwing incident charge was delayed due to a Merseyside police investigation (rumoured at the time) and it now leads to a ban, how can that be a fair outcome for #twitterclarets when Richarlison scored and assisted in subsequent games? The police would have thus affected a relegation.‬

Not claiming the police are anything but impartial, but this is their local police, there is a lack of transparency. and it was obvious at the time this should lead to a charge and a ban.

[dsr]

‪If that flare throwing incident charge was delayed due to a Merseyside police investigation (rumoured at the time) and it now leads to a ban, how can that be a fair outcome for #twitterclarets when Richarlison scored and assisted in subsequent games? The police would have thus affected a relegation.‬

Not claiming the police are anything but impartial, but this is their local police, there is a lack of transparency. and it was obvious at the time this should lead to a charge and a ban.

It was never intended to be a fair outcome. It was intended to be a "don't rock the boat because we're scared to make a decision that affects things" outcome.

[bumba]

Emerson Royal picked one up after Kane scored his penalty at Spurs, granted he didn't throw it in to the crowd but why did he pick it up and celebrate with it!?

[NewClaret]

Don’t understand the various responsibilities of PL/FA/PGMOL in these matters but if it’s the FA who needed to take action I would say we have a pretty good case for a claim against them too.

There’s absolutely no need for this to be issued so long after the offence and after the season has ended.

[Devils_Advocate]

Well done to the FA who seem to have dealt with this in a sensible and timely manner. A few people who jumped in too quickly and did not give the FA time to investigate need to eat a bit of humble pie today

[martin_p]

Well done to the FA who seem to have dealt with this in a sensible and timely manner. A few people who jumped in too quickly and did not give the FA time to investigate need to eat a bit of humble pie today

You’re definitely losing your touch.

[Devils_Advocate]

I think its more that people are starting to see that what I speak is the truth and therefore realise my takes are normally bang on the money and not the fishing expeditions they used to mistakenly dismiss it as.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Given newspapers have suggested Burnley and Leeds were considering legal action for FFP in regards Everton, a ban which due to its delay has caused Burnley to be relegated is unlikely to occur. Most likely, a fine. A ban and it opens up all kinds of legal scenarios.

Call me a cynic by all means. I used to think I’d reached the age when I’d seen it all, the end of this season has persuaded me otherwise.

Got to appreciate the balls though of Richarlison coming straight on Twitter and joking about it after he had been charged. The guy’s ****housery is on another level.

[KRBFC]

Just re-saw the video, he didn't throw it into the crowd, he went to throw it out of the stadium. No problem with that for me, move on

[dsr]

Just re-saw the video, he didn't throw it into the crowd, he went to throw it out of the stadium. No problem with that for me, move on

Have you ever tried throwing an object from the Goodison Park pitch over the stand roof? Not easy, I suspect. Besides which, a defence of "I threw it over a wall and didn't know who it might land on" isn't a great defence.

[CrosspoolClarets]

He threw it to that sparsely populated corner near Gladws Street but there were some fans there, they can be seen spilling over it celebrating, and he threw it over the heads of children to get it there. So it was violent conduct and a 3 game ban, as Hackett said at the time which is on page 1 of this thread.

[Devils_Advocate]

Have you ever tried throwing an object from the Goodison Park pitch over the stand roof? Not easy, I suspect. Besides which, a defence of "I threw it over a wall and didn't know who it might land on" isn't a great defence.

It wasn't thrown over a wall outside the ground but it was thrown out of the pitch/stand area into an area under the scoreboard that is sealed off for people and is just an empty space.

[dsr]

It wasn't thrown over a wall outside the ground but it was thrown out of the pitch/stand area into an area under the scoreboard that is sealed off for people and is just an empty space.

So is he arguing that it's safer and more responsible to throw a flare over the heads of the crowd into a fairly empty space, than it is to leave it lying on the pitch?

[Devils_Advocate]

So is he arguing that it's safer and more responsible to throw a flare over the heads of the crowd into a fairly empty space, than it is to leave it lying on the pitch?

Im not defending him, I am just saying if we are going to discuss and criticise him then lets base it on what actually happened and not some false and exaggerated version to make it seem worse (we dont need to).

This has been my position from the start and you stating things that are not true does nothing to help the discussion

Not defending him cos he was a right idiot and could well get a ban but let at lest be honest about the facts and criticise him for what he did rather than for the exaggerated version.

- So it wasn't a flare, it was a smoke bomb (still doesnt excuse throwing it but its not as dangerous)

- He threw it over the small bit of the stand in the corner into an area under the scoreboard that isn't open to the public. (again he shoudn't be throwing it at all but where he actually threw it was about the best place he could have thrown it).

Like I said for a player to pick up anything of that nature and throw it back in the vicinity of the fans is not on but there is no need to make stuff up to have a go at him cos his actual actions were bad enough

[KRBFC]

Have you ever tried throwing an object from the Goodison Park pitch over the stand roof? Not easy, I suspect. Besides which, a defence of "I threw it over a wall and didn't know who it might land on" isn't a great defence.

he threw it towards the big screen, inbetween the stands. Definitely didn't throw it back into the crowd like suggested on here.

[ClaretTony]

If he’s found guilty of this charge then I’m assuming it would be a fine. I can’t imagine it would be a match ban or would it?

[Devils_Advocate]

I doubt it will warrant a match ban and as you say will likely just be a fine if found guilty

[dsr]

If he’s found guilty of this charge then I’m assuming it would be a fine. I can’t imagine it would be a match ban or would it?

Didn't Carragher get a 3 match ban for throwing a coin into the crowd?

[ClaretTony]

Didn't Carragher get a 3 match ban for throwing a coin into the crowd?

I’m sure that happened on the day we were at Cheltenham in the FA Cup. If he got a ban then that’s set a precedent.

What happened to Drogba for the same in the Chelsea v Burnley game?

[quoonbeatz]

Drogba got a 3 match ban.

[Vegas Claret]

if he gets a ban I would imagine Pace getting his lawyers on the case for some sort of loss of earnings - Richarlisons goals kept them up

[NewClaret]

if he gets a ban I would imagine Pace getting his lawyers on the case for some sort of loss of earnings - Richarlisons goals kept them up

I imagine he’s keeping quiet for now awaiting the sanction.

I think they’ll find a reason not to give a ban so they can argue it the delay wouldn’t have impacted the outcome. Big fine incoming.

[bumba]

I imagine he’s keeping quiet for now awaiting the sanction.

I think they’ll find a reason not to give a ban so they can argue it the delay wouldn’t have impacted the outcome. Big fine incoming.

Fine/back hander to the FA
Same as they've probably got for Everton not being sanctioned for breaking the rules.
Same as they've probably got for Citeh not being sanctioned over breaking the rules.

[ClaretTony]

Drogba got a 3 match ban.

I’d forgotten all about that one until the Carragher incident was mentioned. The Carragher incident was different to Drigba & Richarlison because he was sent off.

[Goody1975]

he threw it towards the big screen, inbetween the stands. Definitely didn't throw it back into the crowd like suggested on here.

He attempted to throw it towards the screen but missed, hit the wall at the edge of the Gwladys Street Stand and it bounced back into where supporters are stood.

[martin_p]

It’s all a bit academic isn’t it. Whether he’s handed a ban or not it’s hard to argue we wouldn’t have gone down if he had. Yes he scored goals, but who knows the outcome of matches if he hadn’t played? We went down because we only got 35 points.

[Zlatan]

It’s all a bit academic isn’t it. Whether he’s handed a ban or not it’s hard to argue we wouldn’t have gone down if he had. Yes he scored goals, but who knows the outcome of matches if he hadn’t played? We went down because we only got 35 points.

I agree. Outcomes may well have been the same if he had received a 3 match ban at the time (as he should IMO).

What we cannot deduce without a time machine is whether Everton would have had the same results or different results had Richarlison been banned. No one can conclude anything at all. We can discuss likelihoods etc, but no one can be certain.

However, lets assume that this was Cornet that threw a flare like he did. I really do think that Cornet would have been dealt with the following week and received a ban and I'm certain many of us would have felt aggrieved had that been the case, I know I would.

All ifs and buts though, but one thing for certain - Richarlison is an ar5ehole (and Everton are cheats for the FFP stuff, like City)

[AwayClaret]

Richarlison probably the biggest cock end in football today. Always looks like he's chewing a wasp and you just wouldn't tire of kicking him in the balls.

[Roosterbooster]

I imagine he’s keeping quiet for now awaiting the sanction.

I think they’ll find a reason not to give a ban so they can argue it the delay wouldn’t have impacted the outcome. Big fine incoming.

Didn't Carragher get a ban after he threw a coin? I'm not sure this is any less. Although given how things have played out so far, nothing would surprise me

[Roosterbooster]

Didn't Carragher get a 3 match ban for throwing a coin into the crowd?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 785757.stm

Yep. 3 match ban

[Stayingup]

Richarlison probably the biggest cock end in football today. Always looks like he's chewing a wasp and you just wouldn't tire of kicking him in the balls.

Remember Bardsley nesrky putting him into the Bob Lord stand when be played for Watford. It was a foul day - as well. He didn't want to know after that.

[bfcjg]

Everton are building a massive waterfront stadium that will look good on televisions around the world, the atmosphere when they play Liverpool a global brand will be sensational, this or a small ground tucked away in East Lancashire surrounded by terraced and low cost housing, a cynic might suggest this was a factor in the delay coupled with the FFP whitewash it does makes you cynical

[dougcollins]

Richarlison probably the biggest cock end in football today. Always looks like he's chewing a wasp and you just wouldn't tire of kicking him in the balls.

I wonder if that punishment is part of the FA's charter?

I'd pay to watch that.

[aggi]

Banned for one game in the end.

[Burnley Ace]

Outrageous that it took so long and is now meaningless.

[bfcjg]

Couldvgevone game ban be a cover IF Burnley take legal action ? There defence would be his missing one game wouldn't havdcaffected the table,hecwas to be banned for a game he didn't score in.
Let's see what happens the next time a player launches a projectile back into the stands, they have created a dangerous precedent.

[martin_p]

Couldvgevone game ban be a cover IF Burnley take legal action ? There defence would be his missing one game wouldn't havdcaffected the table,hecwas to be banned for a game he didn't score in.
Let's see what happens the next time a player launches a projectile back into the stands, they have created a dangerous precedent.

He got an assist though.

[blake's wand]

Completely outrageous that it took so long for this to come through - assume it was deliberate to avoid too much controversy at the time

[claretandy]

It's corruption, pure and simple.

[Spijed]

Just means players know they can deliberately throw whatever they want into the crowd with few repercussions.

[Devils_Advocate]

Just means players know they can deliberately throw whatever they want into the crowd with few repercussions.

He didn't throw anything into the crowd though

[AwayClaret]