Wout do we do about Weghorst

[RVclaret]

Toney and Dennis

Dennis is an interesting example. Under the more attack minded managers Watford had earlier in the season he couldn’t stop scoring. Since Hodgson came in I think he’s scored 1. Perhaps WW would thrive in a different system where he’s got runners in behind him from both sides. More of a 4-3-3 with Cornet one side. Shame we don’t have anyone capable on the other.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Is there any £12m forwards scoring regular at the moment in the Premier league?

12 mill looks steep after today! Dreadful along with Barnes.

[Quickenthetempo]

Toney and Dennis

Just had a look at these transfers.

Toney looks to have been sold for 10m 2 years ago with big clauses. Posh got a fee for Brentford going up and 1m if they stay up. A fee for every 5 prem Apps (capped at 50) and a big sell on clause.
30m rated if we tried now.

Dennis was a bargain at 3m. Linked with a 20m move in the summer.

[taio]

Just had a look at these transfers.

Toney looks to have been sold for 10m 2 years ago with big clauses. Posh got a fee for Brentford going up and 1m if they stay up. A fee for every 5 prem Apps (capped at 50) and a big sell on clause.
30m rated if we tried now.

Dennis was a bargain at 3m. Linked with a 20m move in the summer.

Both cost less than £12m.

[Quickenthetempo]

Both cost less than £12m.

I know. Just explaining we couldn't sign them for that price when we bought WW.

Two is not a big amount, out of the full league.

I will be surprised if our next CF for that price is a regular scorer at the top level.

[Lancasterclaret]

I think playing him with Barnes was simply because there is no one else fit for the full game

He's been fine, and was fine in the first half (as was Barnes), you'd want him to score that header I think

2nd half was just really poor all over the pitch sadly

There is a good player in there, but we have to give him support, and that wasn't there that often today

But he wasn't as good today as he has been

[taio]

I know. Just explaining we couldn't sign them for that price when we bought WW.

Two is not a big amount, out of the full league.

I will be surprised if our next CF for that price is a regular scorer at the top level.

I thought you wanted examples of players who cost £12m or less who have scored fairly regularly to show that it's entirely possible.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I think every Burnley fan when they saw the line up knew Weghorst and Barnes wouldn’t work together. Amazing the management team thought different.

[wilks_bfc]

Until the recent run with Jay, he’s not had a decent run with a regular strike partner and today he had to get use to the way Barnes plays

Cornet
Jay
Jay
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Loan striker
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Vydra
Barnes

I do think that if he gets a preseason with a new strike partner, he’ll do well for us next season (if still here)

[CrosspoolClarets]

Not sure why there always have to be a scapegoat when we’re not down yet and not even in the relegation zone.

For obvious reasons we haven’t seem this a lot at Burnley but overseas players can take a season to settle. Particularly forwards. Defenders are in their face more over here, takes some getting used to.

Take Chambers - sat right in front of their redesigned back four, every time Wout tried to drop deep to receive, there he was nibbling at him.

[claretspice]

Not sure why there always have to be a scapegoat when we’re not down yet and not even in the relegation zone.

For obvious reasons we haven’t seem this a lot at Burnley but overseas players can take a season to settle. Particularly forwards. Defenders are in their face more over here, takes some getting used to.

Take Chambers - sat right in front of their redesigned back four, every time Wout tried to drop deep to receive, there he was nibbling at him.

About right this. Pace of the game. And players are human beings. When they lack confidence, they look rubbish. He’s clearly got qualities - we’re playing to them only intermittently and he’s clearly desperately short on self belief at the minute.

[Sheedyclaret]

For start don't partner him with Ashley Barnes hes woeful

[ksrclaret]

The best thing we could do is switch to 4231 for the last 3 games and get the 3 running off him. He looked absolutely woeful today, and has done on a few occasions, but he's not a "dud" as someone else has called him. He does have qualities, ultimately probably not suited to English football, but we can make more of them.

Pope
Roberts Collins Tarkowski Taylor
Brownhill Cork
Lennon McNeil Cornet
Weghorst

Far from perfect but we need to give it a go. 442 with Barnes up top will see us relegated.

[beddie]

Another example of why it's the fans fault.

Jay Rod's game was already hindered along time before Wout rocked up, 3 goals in 60 appearances.
If Wout adds nothing, then what does Jay Rod add? 3 goals in 60 appearances?

1 goal every TWENTY games? Wow amazing

I was simply giving my opinion about Wout and then my further opinion with Jay playing alongside him. Yes there’s no argument that’s Jays also struggling but imo with a better No 9 I’m sure Jay would find some form. I’m still of the opinion that Wout was a panic buy.

[Pickles]

He needs someone like Andre Gray alongside him. Who is also out of contract this summer. Would love to see that partnership.

Andre Gray would improve us.

[boatshed bill]

Andre Gray would improve us.

In the Championship he would.

[RVclaret]

The same Andre Gray who couldn’t get into QPR’s average team and runs in treacle?

[boatshed bill]

The same Andre Gray who couldn’t get into QPR’s average team and runs in treacle?

What's happened to him?
He had pace to waste.

[RVclaret]

What's happened to him?
He had pace to waste.

Looks like he’s thickened a bit over the past few years

[Pickles]

The same Andre Gray who couldn’t get into QPR’s average team and runs in treacle?

Fair enough but we're playing Barnes and I'm not too sure how many Championship sides he'd get in.

[KRBFC]

The best thing we could do is switch to 4231 for the last 3 games and get the 3 running off him. He looked absolutely woeful today, and has done on a few occasions, but he's not a "dud" as someone else has called him. He does have qualities, ultimately probably not suited to English football, but we can make more of them.

Pope
Roberts Collins Tarkowski Taylor
Brownhill Cork
Lennon McNeil Cornet
Weghorst

Far from perfect but we need to give it a go. 442 with Barnes up top will see us relegated.

Another highlight of how the fans put up with mediocrity, Lennon to start. The same Lennon without a PL assist since 2018.

[RVclaret]

Fair enough but we're playing Barnes and I'm not too sure how many Championship sides he'd get in.

Interestingly the Championship’s form team, Notts Forest, wanted him in January and made an enquiry to take him on loan (but he was injured at the time).

[RVclaret]

Another highlight of how the fans put up with mediocrity, Lennon to start. The same Lennon without a PL assist since 2018.

I agree but Who else would you play out there?

[ksrclaret]

Another highlight of how the fans put up with mediocrity, Lennon to start. The same Lennon without a PL assist since 2018.

What are you doing to not accept mediocrity? Not including him in your starting 11 on here?

You're certainly getting your point across to the board. I'm sure they're very aware of your refusal to accept medocrity.

[boatshed bill]

I agree but Who else would you play out there?

We could have started Cornet there today, assuming that if a player is fit enough for the bench then he's fit enough to start.

[KRBFC]

What are you doing to not accept mediocrity? Not including him in your starting 11 on here?

You're certainly getting your point across to the board. I'm sure they're very aware of your refusal to accept medocrity.

I just struggle to see how any Burnley fan who watches every single game, has muck like Aaron Lennon still in their line up of choice. Either you're seeing something I don't, or you don't watch every game.

[ksrclaret]

I just struggle to see how any Burnley fan who watches every single game, has muck like Aaron Lennon still in their line up of choice. Either you're seeing something I don't, or you don't watch every game.

I remember you once saying on here you never criticise the players, only ever the manager and his tactics.

Well, I guess that courtesy doesn't extend to "muck" like Aaron Lennon. Nice one.

[Milltown1882]

The same Andre Gray who couldn’t get into QPR’s average team and runs in treacle?

10 goals this season despite heavy internal politics at QPR. If they started him all season they’d be in the Prem next season.

[boatshed bill]

I remember you once saying on here you never criticise the players, only ever the manager and his tactics.

Well, I guess that courtesy doesn't extend to "muck" like Aaron Lennon. Nice one.

one of the players who wouldn't sign a one month contract extension at the end of the Covid affected season.
That should have been an end to it.

[ksrclaret]

one of the players who wouldn't sign a one month contract extension at the end of the Covid affected season.
That should have been an end to it.

I thought he just wasn't offered one?

[boatshed bill]

I thought he just wasn't offered one?

Check it out,
as far as I know Hart, Lennon, Bardsley, Legzdins and (In think) Crouch wanted a season contract to play out the last few games.
Wasn't this the start of the Dyche vs Garlick disagreement?

[BOYSIE31]

You can't score with woeful service.

[boatshed bill]

Check it out,
as far as I know Hart, Lennon, Bardsley, Legzdins and (In think) Crouch wanted a season contract to play out the last few games.
Wasn't this the start of the Dyche vs Garlick disagreement?

Sorry, it was Hendrick not Crouch.

[Darnhill Claret]

Yes, would you sign for a club for a month if that club had said they weren’t renewing your contract. Not sure I would. I’d be looking at other options and making sure I wasn’t injured in the meantime.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You can't score with woeful service.

It’s ironic as I believe our Xg over the last 5 games is right up there at the top of the league

[boatshed bill]

Yes, would you sign for a club for a month if that club had said they weren’t renewing your contract. Not sure I would. I’d be looking at other options and making sure I wasn’t injured in the meantime.

I'm sure clubs were queuing up for the four who had no deals lined up (Hendrick was off to Newcastle so no problem with him).
And who is to say that, had they signed extensions, contract offers may not have been different in the close season?

And the point I intended to make was that it was their decisions not to sign so baasically that was fine, goodbye..end of, no coming back.

[Darnhill Claret]

Never say never. I think that Lennon has had an ok season, considering how many poor games we’ve had. Not great today. Felt he drifted infield too often, not offering enough width. That is why he seems to be more effective on the right. McNeill has been better these last 5 games but I’m surprised that he didn’t put Barnes in when clear and unmarked in the first half. Don’t think we had a better chance for the rest of the game.

[Elizabeth]

After a promising start, we seem to be in similar territory to where we found ourselves with Chris Wood earlier in the season.

We don’t seem to be able to get him into the game to a level that causes issues for the opposition.

He’s perhaps been hindered by not having a consistent partnership but I’m just not seeing enough - I don’t see him holding play up as well as I’d hoped or in positions that worry the defence or give options for the midfield to play in to.

He’s obviously a decent player, but how do we get more from him!?

The players around him today just didn't do enough because they are not PL standard as we all know. The movement is not there and it would have been different without the injuries.
Wout does not have the ability to take games by the scruff of the neck and put defences under pressure. A disappointment and a worry

[Woodleyclaret]

Another good game and unfortunate not to score
His touch and taking it round people is excellent
Wout was hauled down by Donkey Mings on several occasions

[scouseclaret]

I don’t think he’s obviously a decent player at all. He was signed to score goals, he will not be doing that with his inability to head a ball and his chronic lack of pace.

A good touch is a great thing, but he’s a striker - he does not threaten whatsoever. I’m not convinced he will score consistently a league lower either.

I’m not sure his touch is very good - it certainly wasn’t yesterday.

The player he most reminds me of is Lukaz Jutkiewicz. Might get a few goals in the championship but way short of the level needed in the prem.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I think if we had just a couple of technically gifted players around him you’d see him and the team thrive

[Lancasterclaret]

I think writing him off after half a season isn't sensible

I also think that he will adapt better next season, and we will actually try to use him in a way that utilises what he brings to the team

Not just him yesterday btw, but anytime any of our players got the ball, they were closed down quickly, and that was exacerbated by little or no movement from our players to give them options

[Jakubclaret]

Yes, would you sign for a club for a month if that club had said they weren’t renewing your contract. Not sure I would. I’d be looking at other options and making sure I wasn’t injured in the meantime.

That’s a great thinking philosophy in trying to generate other interest whilst not playing, no better way of being noticed & attracting these “other options”.

[jedi_master]

I’m not sure his touch is very good - it certainly wasn’t yesterday.

The player he most reminds me of is Lukaz Jutkiewicz. Might get a few goals in the championship but way short of the level needed in the prem.

At least with Jutkiewicz I could never question his attitude, even if he wasn’t good enough. Comparison is a good one though, but as Weghorst is tracking for a prolific 16 goals in 136 games for us, he’s doing a slight (slight) bit better than The Juke who never notched even once for us

I do feel he’s got a decent touch though, as shown when we played the best football that we have done all season away at Brighton in the 3-0 win under Dyche.

[ClaretTony]

Andre Gray would improve us.

This the Gray who couldn't command a place in the QPR side. more substitute appearances than starts. Gray did a terrific job for us when he was here but he's scored 29 league games in five years since he left.

[Pickles]

This the Gray who couldn't command a place in the QPR side. more substitute appearances than starts. Gray did a terrific job for us when he was here but he's scored 29 league games in five years since he left.

Yeah, I know the stats. He'd still improve us. Which perhaps says more about our recruitment since his departure. Would rather him than Barnes.

[Lancasterclaret]

Yeah, I know the stats. He'd still improve us. Which perhaps says more about our recruitment since his departure. Would rather him than Barnes.

All the Barnes/Long/JBG situation tells us that for whatever reason, and it doesn't matter whose fault it was, is that we have spent three season essentially treading water on squad recruitment and its looks like this season it might finally catch us out

The fact that Kevin Long is still here after 10 years and is still our 4th choice CB is frankly ridiculous (he's a solid championship player btw, as he's shown on loan, but he should have gone long ago)

I just hope that whatever happens we learn from this

[Nonayforever]

This the Gray who couldn't command a place in the QPR side. more substitute appearances than starts. Gray did a terrific job for us when he was here but he's scored 29 league games in five years since he left.

Andre Gray is probably a good example of playing to a players strength to get the best out of them. Andre wasn't a good footballer but Dyche got him scoring.
Wood was a good player but we stopped playing to his strengths.
Wout is a very good player and will create and score if we play to his strengths.
That's where A good manager earns his crust.

[ClaretTony]

Yeah, I know the stats. He'd still improve us. Which perhaps says more about our recruitment since his departure. Would rather him than Barnes.

He wouldn't improve us - he's nowhere near the same player

[ClaretTony]

All the Barnes/Long/JBG situation tells us that for whatever reason, and it doesn't matter whose fault it was, is that we have spent three season essentially treading water on squad recruitment and its looks like this season it might finally catch us out

The fact that Kevin Long is still here after 10 years and is still our 4th choice CB is frankly ridiculous (he's a solid championship player btw, as he's shown on loan, but he should have gone long ago)

I just hope that whatever happens we learn from this

I don't know whether Kevin Long would make a solid Championship player or not, all but two of his games on loan have been in League One and League Two.