RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

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RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by jdrobbo » Sun May 15, 2022 2:06 pm

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Kevin Friend (Leicestershire) v Tottenham

How to Score
A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25


please only Rate the Ref, IF you attended the game. Thank you!

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun May 15, 2022 2:14 pm

Crazy
Can’t mark watching from TV
He was excellent the Spurs goal was given by Atwell on var
At the other end would not have asked Friend to look.
Once he did Friend had to give penalty as those are the current rules.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 15, 2022 2:16 pm

This thread could be entertaining, however it's worth bearing in mind that Friend didn't give the pen, Attwell on VAR did.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun May 15, 2022 2:21 pm

Friend gave the pen. He looked at it on the monitor. He made the decision.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun May 15, 2022 2:31 pm

Once he looked he had to give it—
Not rocket science

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun May 15, 2022 2:37 pm

No he didn't.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by agreenwood » Sun May 15, 2022 2:40 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:31 pm
Once he looked he had to give it—
Not rocket science
Were you disappointed it was only 1-0 today? Think you said on here you hoped we’d lose 10-0 at West Ham.

Anyway, if the decision is a foregone conclusion once a ref is sent to a monitor, what’s the point in sending them? Just let the VAR official make the call and save us a few minutes ******* about.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Vino blanco » Sun May 15, 2022 2:41 pm

The sooner he is removed from English football the better. I rank him alongside Moss....ferkin awful.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Rowls » Sun May 15, 2022 2:44 pm

Referee’s decision is final. He has to take ultimate responsibility for the disgusting decision that gave Spurs 3 points and denied us the draw.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by AwayClaret » Sun May 15, 2022 2:45 pm

VAR recommended Friend to have a look at it. Friend 100% gives the pen. But we know what happens when they go to the monitor. The pause before he gives it is totally disgusting. Look at me attitude. Tosser.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Stayingup » Sun May 15, 2022 2:46 pm

He is a dreadful.referee. But then again so are many if his peers in England.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Rowls » Sun May 15, 2022 2:48 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:14 pm
Crazy
Can’t mark watching from TV
He was excellent the Spurs goal was given by Atwell on var
At the other end would not have asked Friend to look.
Once he did Friend had to give penalty as those are the current rules.
The penalty was given by Friend who was asked to watch the TV monitor.

He lacked the courage and character to disagree with his colleague and stick with the correct decision.

The narrative now is that he “didn’t see it” in real time. I’ll have to review the footage to comment further but the truth is that there was nothing to see in real-time because it was not handball.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun May 15, 2022 2:49 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:14 pm
Crazy
Can’t mark watching from TV
He was excellent the Spurs goal was given by Atwell on var
At the other end would not have asked Friend to look.
Once he did Friend had to give penalty as those are the current rules.
Don’t see why not, he made a match changing decision from the tv

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Rowls » Sun May 15, 2022 2:52 pm

Maybe we should be allowed to mnemonic VAR decisions if we watch on TV?

Ultimately, friend took responsibility for the decision.

I’ve marked him accordingly.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by jedi_master » Sun May 15, 2022 2:53 pm

VAR would not have engaged Kevin Friend’s earpiece if that had occurred in the Spurs box, and I wouldn’t have cared as I wouldn’t have had the audacity to ask for such a ridiculous penalty.

The ball was 40-50cm (at most) from Ashley Barnes arm when the Spurs player smashed it at 50-60mph against it. The fact his arm was out should be a total irrelevance in those circumstances. Raheem Sterling runs like a duck with his arms out every game, am I to take it that I should inform my squad to aim to hit Sterling’s duck arms at all times in City territory to guarantee myself free-kicks and penalties, regardless if this is done at point blank range or not?

It stinks and it would never, ever have been given in the other box.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by IanMcL » Sun May 15, 2022 2:57 pm

Looked to me, on the angle shown AFTER THE DECISION, that the ball went up Barnes' chest and onto arm. Not a pen. The angle shown by VAR was a case of ref guess from half hearted Spurs reactions.

Prem rules.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun May 15, 2022 2:58 pm

Rowls wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:48 pm
The penalty was given by Friend who was asked to watch the TV monitor.

He lacked the courage and character to disagree with his colleague and stick with the correct decision.

The narrative now is that he “didn’t see it” in real time. I’ll have to review the footage to comment further but the truth is that there was nothing to see in real-time because it was not handball.
Yes, I would love, just for once, a referee to have the balls to be directed to the monitor and actually disagree with the team at Stockley. The unwritten rule is that you're being sent to the monitor because you got it wrong, so the look is simply a precursor to a change of decision whether the ref agrees or not. The most galling thing about today's shambles is that no Spurs players thought it was a pen at the time and didn't surround the ref with appeals and they simply played on and actually almost scored. That tells us a lot I feel.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by burnleymik » Sun May 15, 2022 3:02 pm

Yep, Spurs played on. The crowd hardly reacted. The ref didn't react and it was right in his eye line. So, begs the question of why did VAR step in?
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by AwayClaret » Sun May 15, 2022 3:02 pm

Maybe teams shouldn't get the decisions if they don't appeal a bit like cricket?

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun May 15, 2022 3:08 pm

I said it would not have had a review if at the other end .
Atwell on var by asking Friend to look was the one to blame
All the pundits said it would not be given when they played but the new rules are penalty if ball hits outstretched hand
Again clear penalty

I was annoyed by our dreadful American owners and I still am but when watching the Clarets I want us to win and I feel we were robbed today by Var

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by AwayClaret » Sun May 15, 2022 3:10 pm

"Dreadful American owners" bloody Nora. Get a grip.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 15, 2022 3:12 pm

I haven’t seen any TV runs of the pen so can’t comment personally on that but I thought Friend gave the impression today that he was aware it was a top six side playing with the England captain.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun May 15, 2022 4:20 pm

Take a look at his X Factor type announcement when he declares it’s a Pen. Sickening.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by LongSider75 » Sun May 15, 2022 4:49 pm

I was there, didn't look like a pen in real time but apparantley it was. No point moaning, we know where the net is at the other end. That is where we are failing.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun May 15, 2022 4:54 pm

The standard of referees is appalling. Amazing how they continually even with the help of technology get so many decisions wrong.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Goodclaret » Sun May 15, 2022 4:59 pm

That pause after he signalled the VAR "decision", followed by a smirk as he gave the penalty shows all that is needed of what this official is about. A self centred, pretty dam useless, official. Although, we could now just say it's the norm with this set of dreadful officials we currently have.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by burnmark » Sun May 15, 2022 5:26 pm

AwayClaret wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:45 pm
VAR recommended Friend to have a look at it. Friend 100% gives the pen. But we know what happens when they go to the monitor. The pause before he gives it is totally disgusting. Look at me attitude. Tosser.
The smirk before he gave the signal he was going to check on the monitor wound me up more than the decision.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun May 15, 2022 5:33 pm

Too many of these refs enjoy being ‘part of the show’ far too much.
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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun May 15, 2022 5:43 pm

We had 4 mins added time so why did we play 8?
Dirty Leeds late equaliser was a sickner but their ref gave them 8 added in the hope they'd nick a late winner
They didn't and four points this week will send them back where they belong

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Rowls » Sun May 15, 2022 5:46 pm

A penalty (once given) has to be taken so the additional time here doesn’t count.

But what time was on the clock when the supposed “handball” took place?

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by burnmark » Sun May 15, 2022 5:46 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:43 pm
We had 4 mins added time so why did we play 8?
Dirty Leeds late equaliser was a sickner but their ref gave them 8 added in the hope they'd nick a late winner
They didn't and four points this week will send them back where they belong
I think the penalty was given in the allocated time and then the VAR check ensured it went up to the 8 minute mark.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by wilks_bfc » Sun May 15, 2022 5:54 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:43 pm
We had 4 mins added time so why did we play 8?
Dirty Leeds late equaliser was a sickner but their ref gave them 8 added in the hope they'd nick a late winner
They didn't and four points this week will send them back where they belong
They took 4mins to check the penalty that’s why we ended playing +8

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun May 15, 2022 7:30 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:43 pm
We had 4 mins added time so why did we play 8?
I think there's a big clue in the games only contentious decision.
They don't stop the clock for VAR.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Leyland Claret » Sun May 15, 2022 8:02 pm

beddie wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 7:24 pm
I didn’t go to the game but watched it on tv. I thought he had a good game. It was var who asked him to look at the penalty decision and imo he currently gave it. Yes we’ve had our moments with him but I don’t think he did anything particularly wrong today.


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And this is how opinions can differ so much!
I went today and I’m still bubbling with the way Friend reffed it. I wasn’t on my own in the away end of the stadium with a real problem with the guy. He has history with us and his non decisions for us/decisions against us. Of a very poor crop of officials we currently have this guy is at the top of the list of the worst referees about. Not going to score him because he doesn’t deserve any marks

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Burnley Ace » Sun May 15, 2022 8:43 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 2:37 pm
No he didn't.
Out of interest is there a stat for the number of times a referee hasn’t changed his decision when asked to view the monitor?

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by beddie » Sun May 15, 2022 8:51 pm

Leyland Claret wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 8:02 pm
And this is how opinions can differ so much!
I went today and I’m still bubbling with the way Friend reffed it. I wasn’t on my own in the away end of the stadium with a real problem with the guy. He has history with us and his non decisions for us/decisions against us. Of a very poor crop of officials we currently have this guy is at the top of the list of the worst referees about. Not going to score him because he doesn’t deserve any marks
Forget previous games, what exactly do you believe he got wrong today?

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by Goody1975 » Sun May 15, 2022 9:26 pm

"A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation."

At no point was Friend shown the shove by Sanchez which led to Barnes arm being in the unnatural position in the first place, he was shown the latter part of the incident in super slow motion which made it look 100 times worse.

The shove wasn't a foul as Sanchez was just freeing himself from the attention of Barnes but made him change his stance to maintain his balance, it's a farce which ever way we look at it.

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Re: RATE THE REF - Kevin Friend v Tottenham

Post by dsr » Mon May 16, 2022 12:24 am

Goody1975 wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 9:26 pm
"A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation."

At no point was Friend shown the shove by Sanchez which led to Barnes arm being in the unnatural position in the first place, he was shown the latter part of the incident in super slow motion which made it look 100 times worse.

The shove wasn't a foul as Sanchez was just freeing himself from the attention of Barnes but made him change his stance to maintain his balance, it's a farce which ever way we look at it.
Exactly.

The way VAR should have worked today is that Atwell should have asked Friend if he had seen the ball hit Barnes' arm, and if (as was presumably the case) the answer was no, then Atwell should have sent him to the monitor with no further comment.

What actually happened was that Atwell, from several hundred miles away, used his skill, judgement and guesswork to assess the incident and the actions and intentions of the players (which is definitely not his job) and told Friend that he ought to give a penalty, but go and pretend to check the monitor for form's sake.

What Friend should have done when he got to the monitor, regardless of what Atwell had said or done, was to look at the whole incident and decide whether a penalty was merited. He didn't do that. He looked in slow motion, he saw that it hit Barnes' arm and his arm wasn't rigid by his side, and decided that ball-hits-hand can only be a penalty.

A lot of this isn't really the refs' fault. The laws have been skewed with change after change in recent years, to try and give as many handball penalties as they possibly can.

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