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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by ksrclaret » Thu May 26, 2022 7:10 pm

I hope we manage to ship him off to the Eredivisie. Not good enough.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Steve1956 » Fri May 27, 2022 10:04 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 3:28 pm
sounds like there is a 2 year deal on the table for him and he is likely to sign
Great news,big man little man combo...can't wait.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Tall Paul » Fri May 27, 2022 10:09 am

jedi_master wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 7:02 pm
Kompany on what he wants from a player:

"I like an aggressive team, that is in my nature, and I like pressing but I don't do it necessarily with players who are 6ft 4. I prefer to have players who are mobile and fast and it doesn't matter their size, as long as they are mobile and good on the ball."

I would suggest that bar the ‘good on the ball’ element that Weghorst will possibly not meet what Kompany wants from a player on that basis.
Didn't Weghorst register the most presses in a game by any PL player against Wolves this season?
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri May 27, 2022 10:31 am

jedi_master wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 7:02 pm
Kompany on what he wants from a player:

"I like an aggressive team, that is in my nature, and I like pressing but I don't do it necessarily with players who are 6ft 4. I prefer to have players who are mobile and fast and it doesn't matter their size, as long as they are mobile and good on the ball."

I would suggest that bar the ‘good on the ball’ element that Weghorst will possibly not meet what Kompany wants from a player on that basis.
If he enforces that policy it could be the end for most of our players.

Maybe Dwight, Cornet and Cork will be classed as good enough with the ball. We have a squad that has played most of their football careers without the ball.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by DCWat » Fri May 27, 2022 10:37 am

I find it strange that some players are afforded the view that it can take time to adapt to playing in another country, and everything else that goes with it, whilst other don’t get that luxury.

Wout certainly hasn’t set the world alight but I’d be interested to see him after a full pre season and with a style of play that might be better suited to him.

You don’t score the goals that he has, at the level he’s played at, without being half decent. That doesn’t mean that he’s going to be a success in England but he deserves a fair crack of the whip, assuming he stays.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Tall Paul » Fri May 27, 2022 10:43 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 10:31 am
If he enforces that policy it could be the end for most of our players.

Maybe Dwight, Cornet and Cork will be classed as good enough with the ball. We have a squad that has played most of their football careers without the ball.
That's because they've played most of their careers playing against far superior opposition. It'll be a far different proposition in the Championship.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri May 27, 2022 10:54 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 10:43 am
That's because they've played most of their careers playing against far superior opposition. It'll be a far different proposition in the Championship.
It's a fair point, but I'm not sure they can alter their game that much to impress a manager who has spent most of his playing days around world class talent.

A few might, but we can't change 7 or 8 players over.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by spt_claret » Fri May 27, 2022 11:03 am

Tall Paul wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 10:43 am
That's because they've played most of their careers playing against far superior opposition. It'll be a far different proposition in the Championship.
I agree. People seem to forget the last time we were in the Championship (under Dyche) we used to press like hell, there was lots of chatter in the media how we were influenced by the German gegenpresse style and philosophy and you could see it on the pitch. It continued into the Prem for a little time while we had Boyd, Arfield, Marney, Hendrick, Gray, etc. We may not have had much of the ball but we pressed plenty. It was only as funds dwindled and budgets got squeezed by wages,and we lost some of those higher energy players, that we became so built around Wood and direct play. I always felt Wood's static style cost us in ways even if it worked wonders for a few years.

The problem isnt that these players are somehow incapable of pressing- many have proven they are. It's more with the age many are at now do they have the legs and stamina to do it for 90 minutes in a long Championship season where play is more physical and the referees still allow contact, even if the pace is possibly slower and standard lower.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by claretcarrot93 » Fri May 27, 2022 11:50 am

DCWat wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 10:37 am
I find it strange that some players are afforded the view that it can take time to adapt to playing in another country, and everything else that goes with it, whilst other don’t get that luxury.

Wout certainly hasn’t set the world alight but I’d be interested to see him after a full pre season and with a style of play that might be better suited to him.

You don’t score the goals that he has, at the level he’s played at, without being half decent. That doesn’t mean that he’s going to be a success in England but he deserves a fair crack of the whip, assuming he stays.
The people having a go at him or the people who loved Chris Wood so they were never going to give his replacement a chance.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Pickles » Fri May 27, 2022 12:15 pm

Did any Burnley fan "love" Chris Wood? I've never known a striker anywhere score as many goals as he did but capture the imagination as little as he did. Anyway.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by claretcarrot93 » Fri May 27, 2022 1:20 pm

Pickles wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 12:15 pm
Did any Burnley fan "love" Chris Wood? I've never known a striker anywhere score as many goals as he did but capture the imagination as little as he did. Anyway.
Dande and claretony, been on Wouts case ever since he signed and they both loved Wood

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri May 27, 2022 1:44 pm

Been called up to the Netherlands squad again.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by JohnDearyMe » Fri May 27, 2022 4:37 pm

Andreshotboots wrote:
Wed May 25, 2022 4:18 pm
Only problem with this is Jay can't seem to string any meaningful run of games together before he's injured, and Vydra will highly likely be next year before he's ready to kick a ball in anger for us again.
Plus Richardson has been riven with injury problems as well.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri May 27, 2022 4:40 pm

Pickles wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 12:15 pm
Did any Burnley fan "love" Chris Wood? I've never known a striker anywhere score as many goals as he did but capture the imagination as little as he did. Anyway.
doubt he would make my top 100 loved Clarets tbh but that might be because I'm not over there watching the games at grounds etc

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 27, 2022 4:41 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 4:37 pm
Plus Richardson has been riven with injury problems as well.
He’s had a bad injury this season as far as I know - one serious injury

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by ClaretTony » Fri May 27, 2022 4:42 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 1:20 pm
Dande and claretony, been on Wouts case ever since he signed and they both loved Wood
That’s not true at all. I’d never seen him or knew of him when he signed. Thought he started well but then dropped off until eventually we saw Jackson prefer to play Barnes.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by BabylonClaret » Fri May 27, 2022 4:58 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 11:50 am
The people having a go at him or the people who loved Chris Wood so they were never going to give his replacement a chance.
People aren't having a go. People are just saying they aren't seeing the hidden gem that others are saying is there. On the evidence we have over half a seaaon he has been more misfire than fire.

Given the stand in manager preferred not to start him in a game we really needed a result it's not likely the fire is going to overtake the misfire.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by ClaretPete001 » Fri May 27, 2022 5:03 pm

The problem is the up and down nature of the message board. Wood has an amazing record for Burnley, in a team often having less than 40 per cent possession. None of the other strikers at the club have anything like it, and his record stands up to anyones other than the elite players at elite clubs.

For example, it is slightly better than Marcus Rashford who played for Man Utd and England during the period and until recently was highly regarded. Also, Roberto Firminho, who was prominent in one of the best front 3s in the world and played for Brazil.

Any yet the general consensus on here was that WW was an upgrade despite the fact the he often looked lost from that first game against Watford. He did improve against Brighton but as CT says above - Dyche was subbing him off and in the end MJ stopped playing him. So it's not just people on here being ridiculous.

The fact that Wood is written off begins to get annoying given his record so you end up defending someone as a matter of principle.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by dandeclaret » Sat May 28, 2022 10:55 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 1:20 pm
Dande and claretony, been on Wouts case ever since he signed and they both loved Wood
I'm a big fan of effective footballers, and not a fan of mythical contributions. It's not hard to figure out which is which. I"m surprised the club have managed to find a worse finisher than Vydra, but they have somehow done it.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by boatshed bill » Sat May 28, 2022 10:59 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 10:55 pm
I'm a big fan of effective footballers, and not a fan of mythical contributions. It's not hard to figure out which is which. I"m surprised the club have managed to find a worse finisher than Vydra, but they have somehow done it.
I think it's worth waiting until next season to see if he can cut it, first in the championship and then hopefully in the PL.
He's been a poor finisher in a very poor team so far.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by dandeclaret » Sat May 28, 2022 11:02 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 10:59 pm
I think it's worth waiting until next season to see if he can cut it, first in the championship and then hopefully in the PL.
He's been a poor finisher in a very poor team so far.
One definitely contributes to the other.....
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Neil » Sat May 28, 2022 11:03 pm

I think everyone wanted to like him. Why wouldn't they? And he definitely looked promising in the first few games. Well, his hold up play did. But his complete panic in the box is what turned me against him. Thought it was confidence at first but then conceded it was ability. If he stays and puts 30 in next season I'd ge over the moon for him. Unfortunately the final result would have been the same whether it was him or Wood playing the last few months (in my opinion)

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by DesmondHaynes » Sat May 28, 2022 11:12 pm

Quick check on Wikipedia:

31 goals in 60 games for AZ67 Alkmaar and then
59 goals in 118 games for Wolfsburg

You would think goals in the championship are possible.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by KRBFC » Sat May 28, 2022 11:38 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 10:55 pm
I'm a big fan of effective footballers, and not a fan of mythical contributions. It's not hard to figure out which is which. I"m surprised the club have managed to find a worse finisher than Vydra, but they have somehow done it.
So that explains why you're such a huge advocate for Rodriguez :lol: really effect is Jay Rod

This season:

Jay Rodriguez 29 apps, 2 goals 2 assists.
Wout Weghorst 20 apps, 2 goals, 3 assists.

Last season:

Jay Rodriguez: 31 apps, 1 goal, 2 assists.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun May 29, 2022 12:41 am

BabylonClaret wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 4:58 pm
Given the stand in manager preferred not to start him in a game we really needed a result it's not likely the fire is going to overtake the misfire.
It could only be the falling out when Wout was subbed.

Because if he picked Barnes in a must win game, because he thinks he's better, then I don't think I can forgive him.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun May 29, 2022 12:44 am

ClaretPete001 wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 5:03 pm
So it's not just people on here being ridiculous.
Oi, I like being ridiculous :D
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by KRBFC » Sun May 29, 2022 1:03 am

BabylonClaret wrote:
Fri May 27, 2022 4:58 pm


Given the stand in manager preferred not to start him in a game we really needed a result it's not likely the fire is going to overtake the misfire.
I thought Barnes suited the 532 park the bus and hoof it long system better than Wout would, which is why Barnes was picked. The Newcastle game MJ got badly wrong and our best spell in the game Wout was very influential.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Boydesque » Sun May 29, 2022 1:27 am

He s still shoite

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Quicknick » Sun May 29, 2022 3:49 am

DesmondHaynes wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 11:12 pm
Quick check on Wikipedia:

31 goals in 60 games for AZ67 Alkmaar and then
59 goals in 118 games for Wolfsburg

You would think goals in the championship are possible.
This is exactly what I think.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Blakesboots » Sun May 29, 2022 3:56 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sat May 28, 2022 10:55 pm
I'm a big fan of effective footballers, and not a fan of mythical contributions. It's not hard to figure out which is which. I"m surprised the club have managed to find a worse finisher than Vydra, but they have somehow done it.
That’s such a ridiculous statement to make about his finishing. I hope he makes you eat your words. I hope both he and Vyds do.

If you can’t see the quality he has then we can only hope you’ve given up ‘scouting’.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by superdimitri » Sun May 29, 2022 5:21 am

Not many strikers get an entire tactical system tailored to fit just them. That's pretty much what we (and Dyche) did with Wood.
Excellent player for us, but his all round play was a joke and you can't carry strikers like you used to be able to. They need to add more to the game and be able to put a couple of passes together.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Papabendi » Sun May 29, 2022 8:51 am

superdimitri wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 5:21 am
Not many strikers get an entire tactical system tailored to fit just them. That's pretty much what we (and Dyche) did with Wood.
Excellent player for us, but his all round play was a joke and you can't carry strikers like you used to be able to. They need to add more to the game and be able to put a couple of passes together.
Outside of Pope, Tarkowski, Mee and Collins for solid contributions, and Cornet for his goals, I'd rate WW as neutral to all other players in terms of contributions this season and that includes Wood

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun May 29, 2022 9:00 am

Papabendi wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 8:51 am
Outside of Pope, Tarkowski, Mee and Collins for solid contributions, and Cornet for his goals, I'd rate WW as neutral to all other players in terms of contributions this season and that includes Wood
I think that kind of highlights the problem of Wout, in a team of incredibly average players he didn’t stand out at all.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by tiger76 » Sun May 29, 2022 11:44 am

If wout stays, and there must be some doubt over that, then it's vital he gets a few goals under his belt in the opening weeks of next season, otherwise his fragile confidence will become an issue, and he'll be in danger of going down the Juke road, he looked decent for a few games, but his form in the critical end of season games, and especially his missing of big chances has to be a worry, yes he's got a decent scoring return in Holland, but so have many other strikers who have flopped in England, and given we splashed out £12m for him, right now he looks a poor buy.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun May 29, 2022 11:47 am

I’ve usually made my mind up about a player by now but not in Wout’s case. He seems to often come away with the ball when he is 30 or so yards from goal but has been less successful in the opponents penalty area. He is very good at finding space in the penalty area but the ball often fails to reach him. His misses in home games seem to have knocked his confidence. A few goals and the love of the crowd and we’ll see a much improved player. Don’t stop supporting him, it doesn’t help.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Nonayforever » Sun May 29, 2022 12:23 pm

Whatever anybody thinks about Wout, and I think he's a good footballer that needs a team playing to his strengths, his record for Jackson when picked to start is ;-

Played 8 games, started in 5
Won 3, drawn 1
Lost 1

Barnes record is ;-
Played 8 started 4
Drawn 1
Lost 3

To me Jackson bottled it by starting Barnes in the last few games and going direct.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by DCWat » Sun May 29, 2022 12:51 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 12:23 pm
Whatever anybody thinks about Wout, and I think he's a good footballer that needs a team playing to his strengths, his record for Jackson when picked to start is ;-

Played 8 games, started in 5
Won 3, drawn 1
Lost 1

Barnes record is ;-
Played 8 started 4
Drawn 1
Lost 3

To me Jackson bottled it by starting Barnes in the last few games and going direct.
Easier to say looking back but whilst it may have proved to be the right decision to part ways with Dyche, it was the wrong decision to not appoint an experienced manager (short term or otherwise).

It’s not a criticism of Jackson, I just think that a bit of experience could have made the difference.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Awayfromburnley » Sun May 29, 2022 1:05 pm

He's a bloody decent player but I can't help think he gets a bit naffed off evertime the crowd try to say his name and he thinks they are booing him!
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by DCWat » Sun May 29, 2022 1:13 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 1:05 pm
He's a bloody decent player but I can't help think he gets a bit naffed off evertime the crowd try to say his name and he thinks they are booing him!
When he gets subbed, I’ve often thought that his massive sulk has nothing to do with being taken off and everything to do with the fans ridiculous pronunciation of his name. :D
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by willsclarets » Sun May 29, 2022 3:34 pm

Comparisons to juke are so far out. You can tell he has far more quality than he ever did, and his career thus far would back that up. If he stays, I'm almost certain opinions of him on here will have changed by Xmas.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by burnleytom » Mon May 30, 2022 11:28 am

I’m amazed, that in a World Cup year, anyone thinks he is hanging around to turn out at Loftus Road or the New Den.

Are the Netherlands calling up any other second division players right now?

His stats were good, he was a big lad, and most importantly, he was available and willing to come when we were surprised and desperate. Didn’t work, and he’ll be off to somewhere in Europe, where his reputation will probably remain (deservedly?) intact.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by CoolClaret » Mon May 30, 2022 11:34 am

burnleytom wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 11:28 am
I’m amazed, that in a World Cup year, anyone thinks he is hanging around to turn out at Loftus Road or the New Den.

Are the Netherlands calling up any other second division players right now?

His stats were good, he was a big lad, and most importantly, he was available and willing to come when we were surprised and desperate. Didn’t work, and he’ll be off to somewhere in Europe, where his reputation will probably remain (deservedly?) intact.
Think Tim Krul still got a call up when in the championship with Norwich

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by burnleytom » Mon May 30, 2022 11:40 am

Fair and correct comment on Krul. As with England, it seems goalkeepers are a slightly different case, but it’s not often in the modern game that second division centre forwards are called up for major nations. I can’t think of a single one, off the top of my head.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by jdrobbo » Mon May 30, 2022 11:45 am

burnleytom wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 11:40 am
Fair and correct comment on Krul. As with England, it seems goalkeepers are a slightly different case, but it’s not often in the modern game that second division centre forwards are called up for major nations. I can’t think of a single one, off the top of my head.
Steve Bull?

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Post by Sleeping Cat » Mon May 30, 2022 11:58 am

burnleytom wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 11:40 am
Fair and correct comment on Krul. As with England, it seems goalkeepers are a slightly different case, but it’s not often in the modern game that second division centre forwards are called up for major nations. I can’t think of a single one, off the top of my head.
Pretty sure Jay Bothroyd was called up to the England squad when he was in Championship about 11 years ago.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by aggi » Mon May 30, 2022 12:09 pm

I'm joining the "will get 20 goals in the Championship" crowd. You don't get a load of goals in the Bundesliga and called up to the Dutch team if you're as bad as some are making out.
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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon May 30, 2022 12:24 pm

I agree he will get 20-30 in the Championship with the right service and then would have confidence for another crack at the Prem.

Easy to imagine him not wanting that challenge and giving up to go back to Europe, but 2 in 20 shares a large chunk of the responsibility for us being here (just those two misses alone in the last two games would have kept us up). So I would hope (futilely?) for some character to help us bounce back.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Quicknick » Mon May 30, 2022 12:26 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 12:24 pm
I agree he will get 20-30 in the Championship with the right service and then would have confidence for another crack at the Prem.

Easy to imagine him not wanting that challenge and giving up to go back to Europe, but 2 in 20 shares a large chunk of the responsibility for us being here (just those two misses alone in the last two games would have kept us up). So I would hope (futilely?) for some character to help us bounce back.
20, maybe. No way 30.

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by Juan Tanamera » Mon May 30, 2022 12:39 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 1:05 pm
He's a bloody decent player but I can't help think he gets a bit naffed off evertime the crowd try to say his name and he thinks they are booing him!
You would think 100% of Burnley fans would know the pronunciation by now, wouldn't you?

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Re: Wout Weghorst

Post by daveisaclaret » Mon May 30, 2022 12:45 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:
Mon May 30, 2022 12:39 pm
You would think 100% of Burnley fans would know the pronunciation by now, wouldn't you?
I mean, there're Burnley fans who didn't learn to pronounce Jensen over the course of ten years so this is a bit ambitious.
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